can u c ne difference? i cant!

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 08:56 AM

can u see any changes cus i cant ive been on my current cycle of:

dbol 35mg 1-4
test ent 500mg 1-10
deca 400mg 1-10

im currently 3 weeks in to my cycle and i cant see on changes other than strength

**TheJuicer** · 08-17-2003, 09:00 AM

How is your strength...D-bol should have helped so far...It takes me about 6 weeks for Test E to totally kick in!

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 09:06 AM

strength is really good i am benching 80kg now and thats a big jump for me.

but i cant see any gains in size and muscle

**BDTR** · 08-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Looks like you're holding water from the dbol , the gains will come soon enough.

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:02 PM

i hope they do

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:28 PM

you can see some difference, I had weight gain for the first 3 weeks of my cycle, but couldn't really see a difference. wk 5 was when people started saying shit to me at work.

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:36 PM

man i cant wait too see peeps faces when i get huge (hopefully) do u reckon i should buy some winny to harden up my gains

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:49 PM

my muscle is a lot harder now than it was b4 my cycle.
i'm not really the one to ask about that. this was my first cycle. i know you have to inject winny every other day, and it hurts more than the shit you're shooting now. i wouldn't do it right now(myself), 'cause i don't know much about site injections, and i don't know anybody that does

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:50 PM

yeah ill do some research

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:52 PM

is this your first cycle? and dude, you got d-bol in there, you're gonna get big if you train hard and eat right!

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:53 PM

second cycle 1st was sust alone yeah and bump that eating and training

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:54 PM

i've done the research, but reading some horror stories about site injections, i would only feel comfortable if i saw itr with my own eyes

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:55 PM

u know u can drink winny

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:56 PM

whatt'dya mean bump the eating and training?

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:57 PM

i mean u cant stress how much u need to eat and train it means that this shit is very important

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:57 PM

yeah, i saw that no here, i don't think it's as effective though, i think it has to go through your liver twice, rather than once as with injections

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 02:58 PM

where do u inject ur gear and whts ur cycle like

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 02:59 PM

where are you from? here that means like "fuck eating and training"

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:00 PM

im from the uk and bump here means bump it up lol i didnt know that

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:01 PM

in my ass, i took my last shot of durateston250 (sust) @ 500mg/week and qv deca300 @ 300mg/week two weeks ago. i did ten weeks total, start clomid on thursday

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:03 PM

man thats wht i need to get clomid its very hard for me to get that i have hcg and also nolvedex but i need to get clomid

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:03 PM

like "bump that sheeeeet"

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:03 PM

yeah

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:05 PM

a lot of the guys here will tell you not to take the hcg , not necesarry. search for threads, check your pm

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:06 PM

whys that bro why no hcg

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:08 PM

do u need pay pal to order that shit

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:11 PM

nope, wish you were a little further into your cycle, i'd be interested to hear about the difference between the
teste and the sust

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:13 PM

search for threads. ask some of the more experieced guys, post a question in the steriod questions forum. i'm pretty sure about it. i know it can give some people gyno like a bitch

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:14 PM

i mean the hcg (last post)

**avealook** · 08-17-2003, 03:14 PM

nah man hcg brings your balls bak to normal ive neva read that about it

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:21 PM

search for threads, you only need it in a very heavy cycle, hold on i'll search for it, i was gonna take it too!

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:22 PM

hcg doesn't bring anything back to normal, clomid does, hcg stimulates the leydig cells in your balls, and makes you secrete test, it doesn't normalize.

**EGP?** · 08-17-2003, 03:31 PM

post a thread in the steroid questions form saying that some dumbass newbie said you don't need hcg w/ your cycle, i know it's critical that you have clomid with the hcg, and it's critical how and when you run the hcg.

**BDTR** · 08-17-2003, 03:40 PM

Oh my god, this thread just gave me the mother of all headaches.

**Huge Presser** · 08-17-2003, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by bdtr

Oh my god, this thread just gave me the mother of all headaches.

ugg... same here

:confusion

No NEED for HCG but it will help your balls to some extent, not size-wise necessarily... but always have clomid on hand for PCT.

HP

**Grizzly** · 08-17-2003, 05:59 PM

I think I learned a new language

) lol. Be calm your gains will come that is what I'm waiting for now i'm week 3 and I don't notice anything yet. Good luck

**avealook** · 08-18-2003, 04:49 AM

thanks for your wise words guys

**pumpseeker** · 08-18-2003, 07:49 AM

3 weeks and you're already looking for a big change in your physique? Have patience...enjoy the strength and weight gains and the mirror will reflect improvements soon. Try taking pictures each week to mark your progress and measurements...I always do this and it blows me away to see I've added an inch to my arms!

Btw, if you can get some winny, I'd add that at 50mgs/ED weeks 8-13 in your cycle. Get some 25G 1 1/2" pins, you can stick those in almost any muscle. This will definitely harden you up and solidify your gains a bit.

**ripsid** · 08-18-2003, 11:24 AM

I got dizzy reading this! WTF! anyways, the test and deca take atleast 3 weeks to kick in and there is a slight difference from what I saw. 1st, what is your diet like and how are your work outs? If it ain't right then I can only say it won't show.

SID

**avealook** · 08-18-2003, 02:59 PM

My diets improving always. But ive had a bad week in the gym. i made up for it today, excellent 1hr HIT session in the gym today.

ill keep u all posted

btw im defiently going with the winny