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    Low E Symtoms?

    Hey all, I'll try to keep this as short as possible but I'm sure it'll be kinda long.

    2010 I took saw palmetto and finasteride, had hypothyroid and hypogonadal symtoms till 2016 due to the side effects I got from them. Thyroid tests were borderline high/high, had low T, and low Estrogen as well. After taking vitamin E mixed tocopherols 800 iU for about 5 weeks in November 2016 I felt a minor crash but kept taking them as I thought I had the flu.

    First week of December I felt better and noticed I had a some increased androgen features, more than I've had since 2010, such as fat and water weight loss, tighteneded skin, stronger libido. My T was still very low at the time (295 pg/ml) but I felt good, I was still going to the gym 4 times a week and was eating a healthy low carb paleo diet.

    Beginning of January 2017 I started taking vitamin K2 mk7 because I had borderline high blood calcium. 2 weeks into taking it I had a major crash and have declined ever since with several symptoms: weak/hypermobile joints, painful joints, weak ligaments, today body dehydration, excessive urination, brain fog, anxiety, insomnia, IBS, decreased body temperature, slow growing nails/hair, hair loss, receding gums, dry eyes, acid reflux, heightened senses. The worst is the spine and neck feel very weak and can't move it without a weak crack. All joints are like this.

    I also noticed an increase in the androgen features such as: a LOT of acne, strong body odor (when I had little to none before), bigger flaccid size, increased libido and erecrion qualiy, greasy hair, oily face, increased lean body's almost as if I'm 23 again physicality, but the other side effects I've experienced have kept me bed ridden for 2 months and they keep worsening.

    My regular DR has run some tests which I'll post in another message, but he claims I'm totally "normal". My T levels have only risen to to about 340pg/ml but I'm exhibiting high T/DHT symptoms....while my estrogen is only 18 pg/ml but that isn't extremely low.

    I have no idea what's going on but I feel like my body is falling apart at a rapid rate, I can hardly do my caretaking job and move around like I'm 70 years old when just a few months ago I felt normal. Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Can one have low E symtoms despite average numbers (maybe a desensitized receptor due to vitamin E and K2 being AI's)? I just don't get why I'd be having such strong side effects from using mild AI's in vitamin E and K2, and the side effects are staying and worsening AFTER discontinued use.

    - note.....I've never taken any form or HRT or TRT. Just a guy who is having hormonal issues and trust these forums more than doctors.
    Last edited by Konflict; 03-19-2017 at 06:01 AM. Reason: Needed to add more info

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    Labs from 12/13/16:
    Testosterone , Free: 49.6 pg/mL (46.0 - 224.0 pg/mL)
    Testosterone: 295.20 NG/dL (175 - 781 NG/dL)
    T3, Free: 3.88 PG/mL (2.5 - 3.9 PG/mL)
    TSH: 0.96 uIu/mL (0.34 - 5.60 uIu/mL)
    Vitamin B-12: > 1500 PG/mL (200 - 914 PG/mL)
    Vitamin D3: 43 ng/mL (30 - 100 ng/mL)
    Vitamin D2: < 4 ng/mL

    Labs from 1/24/17:
    TSH: 2.75 uIu/mL (0.34 - 5.60 uIu/mL)
    T3 Free: 3.55 PG/mL (2.5 - 3.9 PG/mL)
    DHEA: 213.6 uG/dL (5 - 690 uG/dL)
    Total Estrogens: 88 pg/mL (60 - 190 pg/mL)
    Estradiol: 18 PG/mL (<40 pg/mL)
    Free Testosterone: 62.7 pg/mL (46.0 - 224.0 pg/mL)
    Testosterone: 341.27 NG/dL (175 - 781 NG/dL)
    Vitamin D3: 45 ng/mL (30 - 100 ng/mL)
    Prolactin: 10.4 NG/mL (2.6 - 13.1 NG/mL)
    Glucose: 101 MG/dl (70 - 140 MG/dL)

    Sodium: 136 MMOL/L. (35 - 143 MMOL/L)
    Potassium: 4.2 MMOL/L. (3.6 - 5.1 MMOL/L)
    Chloride: 99 MMOL/L. (98 - 107 MMOL/L)
    C02: 30 MMOL/L. (22 - 30 MMOL/L)
    BUN: 8 MG/dL. (7.0 - 21.0 MG/dL)
    Creatinine: 0.8 MG/dL. ( 0.6 - 1.2 MG/dL)

    Labs from 2/6/17:
    Cortisol - 11.22 UG/dL (6.7 - 22.6 UG/dL)
    Lactate Dehydrogenase - 114 IU/L (98 - 192 IU/L)
    C-REACTIVE PROTEIN,HIGH SENSIT - 0.05 MG/dL (0.0 - 0.7 MG/dL)
    Sedimentation rate Automated - 2 MM/HR (0 - 15 MM/HR)
    Rheumatoid Factor < 7 IU/mL < 14 IU/mL

    Labs from 2/15/17:
    Blood sodium: 139 mmol/L (135-143 mmol/L)
    Urine sodium: 16 mmol/L (28-272 mmol/L)

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    Welcome! Hit out HRT section they will help you out bro!

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    Welcome.... as songdog said, copy & paste here for more views and responses. Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging

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    Thanks guy! Just didn't want to post in the HRT section without posting here first!

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