I'm new to the forum so bare with me I'm 49 and decent shape I would like a little more muscle but my main objective is to loose the small fold at the button of my abs I'm 5'7" 173 I got a hold of clen and stan50 I tried the clen and I dont feel the effect people talk about the shakes and cramps as for the sten I just start and dont know if its working (5-days) they both are from a company named on the lable pro pharm. the clen is 400mcg per mil or is 49 to late for clen / sten