Help with estrogen levels

[PJS19]

Hi, I am new to the site, and I need some help..First off, I know I am a classic case of messing with pro hormones too young with not enough research, Im realizing that now. I am currently 22, and last summer, when I was 21 I took a cycle of "steel crushers" which were legal at the time, but have since become illegal. Basically a superdrol clone. Before I took it I was in very healthy shape..low body fat, flexible, not very muscular but cut. Then I rashly decided to take the superdrol and put on some size, not exactly knowing what the steel crushers actually were until after. I did a 4 week cycle, then used kickstart for 4 weeks as a PCT, and used a serm a little bit after for 4 weeks...I noticed after the superdrol cycle I had a lot of back pain, I was bloated and not nearly as cut up as I was, just kind of bulky. I figured it was all because of high estrogen levels. About a month or two ago I noticed my right nipple starting to get sensitive and sore, and I knew it was the early stages of gyno, so I got on an anti estrogen supp, arime stage 5 pct about 12 days ago. I stopped it after 10 days (about a day ago) because the sensitivity went away, and I started feeling super depressed and moody. I know low estrogen levels can cause low serotonin levels which control mood and happiness. My question is, how long until my levels go back to normal and I feel the same? I took 2 pills a day for 11 days and my last dose was sunday night (4/14). Should I see an endocrinologist and see what kind of damage I have done? I am all done messing with pro hormones, my mental state is more important to me than my physical state, so I am basically looking for some help to get back to normal, or how long it takes for my estrogen levels to come back up.

thanks for any help!

[oatmeal69]

Welcome to the forum!

[brazey]

Welcome to the board.. Only bloodwork will show what's going on with you. If you tanked your estro your body will eventually regulate but the time it takes to feel normal again will in part depend on how low your estro is. My advice is get bloodwork so you know for sure.

[PJS19]

Thank you..I am getting blood work done monday the 22nd..my last dose of arime was sunday night the 14th..I was hoping by then it would clear out of my system a little more..only did 10 days of it. Is there any sort of ball park time frame of when I should start to feel better..I know it depends on how long, but assume it is real low, how long would it take? I know I am asking for answers without giving much info, Im just kind of worried, I don't want to live like this for a long time..Im usually a super happy and outgoing person, but since I started it I feel very disconnected, emotionless and depressed. Lesson learned for jumping into something with out the proper research, wish I knew about this board then.

[tigerspawn]

Welcome

[PJS19]

Also, would trying to increase natural production of testostorone using something like tribulus, also increase estrogen? Or would it decrease estrogen further?

[PJS19]

Also, I should add, I am taking raspberry ketones as well, I didnt think it was worth mentioning and was unrelated to my problem, but maybe it is? help me out!

[clarky.]

Welcome

[crazy mike]

Hang in there and stick around. It can and will get better. ...crazy mike

[cantstopkane]

Welcome, sorry to hear about your predicament. I could have once very easily fallen into the same boat.

Im a newb to the forum but ive been reading alot and ill try to add something positive for what its worth.

1) edit your post, you are way to vauge to get anyone with the right knowledge motivated to help you, what month did you do your cycle? When did you finish your "serm" and how long after that did you develop your pre-gyno?

What serm did you use and what dose, please tell me it wasnt over the counter

Finally please name the brand and if yoy can remember the dosages of the products you used.

2) kickstart, I assume is kickstart rx pct by ammo which took alot of googling as barley no one sells it and ammo dosnt have there own website (bad sigh). This product has bromo-6 and formastane. Formastane is not absorbed orraly so useless add, bromo 6 is a mild ai that is often underdosed so you must have been shut down for 4 weeks there becuse evwn tho bromo dose some test stimulation it dosnt promote fsh or lsh like a serm which you need to get your nuts back in action.

3) the ai you took for your gyno, im assuming ArimePCT Stage 5 by EPG.

This I belive is one of the sources of your problem, it has 2 main compounds

1st is Androst 3,5-dien-7, 17-dione this is fine its a medium strength ai, suicide I think, this is fine, what you want to fight gyno



The 2nd is 2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstane-17 b-ol 5mg

This is epistane, this is a designer steroid/prohormone! This will definatly lower estrogen bit it will also supress test, only mildly but considering you may have never fully recovered this could have hurt the issue furthur

4) your probly runnin on low t and low e at the same time not to mention possibly some putuitay gland issues, I would get bloods asap and base a decision from there. The good news is your young and your body could resolve itself with time. if I were you, and this is just me, I would try some d-aspartic acid and some tribulus and maybe aome keto-7 for your mood. And if lsh and fsh are non existent after bloods a good cycle of clomid or nolva

5) remember that while depression is partially biological the way you approach it is a huge factor, focusing on not focusing and just relaxing and enjoying life is key.

6) take everything I said with a grain of salt I am not an expert or a doctor or even a veteran of hormone use

Good luck

[PJS19]

Thanks for the help, sorry about the vague post, I am new to this and also my data isnt too well recorded. Like I said in my original post, kind of a classic example of a young kid jumping into stuff without knowing much and trusting people behind the counter of a supplement store. Not to blame them, I should have done my own research, but I feel like I was steered in the wrong direction.

I took "steel crushers" which basically is a superdrol clone (correct me if Im wrong) in mid July of 2012..took it for 4 weeks, and then a pct called kickstart, but I am not exactly sure what company it was, again I went on the advice of the guy at the store. Then I took a SERM, 1 ML for 2 weeks and .5 ML for 2 weeks in September 2012.

I am getting blood tests done on Monday the 22nd. When I get the results, can I post them on this forum to have knowledgeable members help me from there? Or should my doctor be able to help me?

My plan is to completely get back to normal and not mess around with pro hormones anymore, I just need help getting back. Or is the damage Ive done irreversible? Sorry for the vagueness, and I am fully aware of how rash and niave my actions were.

[PJS19]

Also, the SERM I ran was from Purity Solutions...and the kickstart was by blackskull labs I believe

[PJS19]

Is it possible that my problem is related to Low T? I have been reading that depression esque problems are caused by low T, and my libido is absolutely down, which makes me think that too...my only question is, how could 11 days of Arime Stage 5 do that..small dose of Havoc in it, 10 mg, but maybe my body just didnt handle it right? Im starting to get so frusterating with feeling this way..blood work monday morning.

[stpete]

Welcome....

Stay away from the PH's. Yes, get some blood work done and go from there.

Good Luck!

[MickeyKnox]

Welcome to AR.

Lots of terrific advice above.

[PJS19]

For those who asked above, I figured out the doses I did do last summer of the steel crushers superdrol clone..each tablet is 5mg, and I took 2 tablets for three weeks and 3 tablets for a week...and the Serm I used (after I finished my PCT) was tamoxifan.

Honestly really wish I knew about this board before I did all of this shit..I've learned so much in a week on this board than my whole life...done listening to the guys behind the counter at flex appeal, they are assholes for stearing a niave, impuslive kid to a superdrol clone...my own fault for not doing my own research, but still...after my blood work I will come back for some advice on how to fix everything...Just want to get back to normal and get back to training/living healthy and natural.

[cantstopkane]

Let us know when your test results come in low libido sounds like low test, dose it come up if you watxh some hardcore p0rn? If not low t for sure. May not have been enough of a pct dossage. May need some hcg. Keep us posted

[PJS19]

Had blood work monday...my doctor said my testicles looked fine from a visual standpoint..but my lipido is low...I can still have sex, and I have, but its more forced than an actual passionate desire like it usually is. I am seeing an endo thursday to go over results...cantstopkane, do you think the 10 mg of epi I took for 11 days could have messed with my T levels?

I started the arime stage 5, AI with epi, on Thursday April 4th..started feeling the lowered libido about 2-3 days after that..started feeling emotionless and depressed about 7 days after that...and on Sunday night April 14th I took my last dose and decided to just stop because depression/emotionlessness was horrible.

So I have been off it since then, about 8 days, and still dont feel like myself...I have nolvadex on hand ready to go if needed, but I figured Id wait until thursday to see what my blood work shows before I mess with anything..is this at all normal? I was literally so happy before this, now I like can't get excited about anything and Im real anxious about it, which is making it worse

[bdos]

Welcome.

[RaW InStiNcTz]

Welcome best of luck bro