If I were to start a cycle. How can I make myself look proportionate and evened out?

[NiccoGutierrez1]

If i were to start a lets say a testosterone cypionate cycle. I weigh 135 lbs at 6'1 and I want to get to about 165 lbs, how can I make myself look proportionate and evened out? I don't want to be that one guy at the gym with a skinny face, a skinny neck and a big ass body it looks obvious and disgusting as well. I don't know if they realize it looks ugly as fuck, but they think just because you look buff means it looks good, but it doesn't. That's why I just want to get to about 165 lbs because I want to make myself look proportionate. I want to get bigger as a whole. Not just my body. These guys at the gym its like they copy and pasted a buff body onto themselves and they think it looks normal, but it doesn't.

Here's an example of what I want to look like or transform myself into




I don't know if this picture was real, but look how proportionate and evened out he looks. He grew as a whole not just his body but his face and his neck.

I heard doing compound exercises will give you these results. Squats, power cleans, dead lifts, bench press. Seems to make sense, but what do you guys think. I'm sure you guys know what I'm talking about.

[clarky.]

Welcome to the forum, have a read in the nutrition section.

[brazey]

Welcome....

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Any other advice from anyone would be helpful. Besides nutrition.

[Sark]

Nutrition is the key trust me. You will have much better results on putting on weight evenly by just eating more. I'm in a similar boat to you, im 6 foot and at one point in my life I was down to 125lbs when I was sick for awhile. I got better and evened out at 145 lbs, which is still ridiculously skinny. Now I am at 165lbs. And I can tell you what, it's a lot better than I was but I'm still not happy. But all of that was achieved by just eating. You've got to eat. You've got to prove to yourself that you have the drive, the motivation, the willpower, and the strength to force yourself to eat even when you don't want to. You have to show yourself that you can gain weight without help from steroids.
The number one thing in you achieving your goal is your mindset.
Two: your diet - EAT EAT EAT
Three: your training. Focus on compound lifts and getting stronger in them.
What you are after is definitely achievable without steroids. I won't say it is easy, because clearly everybody is different, and people have different opinions on what is easy and what is not. Cleary if it was for you, you'd already be 165lbs. This is where the most important thing comes into play, your mindset.
Goodluck, and make sure you do a lot of reading and research.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Eating is a lot easier on steroids though and you can eat a lot more food than usual. I heard that's how most people gain weight on steroids to begin with. When they workout their body's want more food to consume and to grow.

[wellshii]

Welcome.

And EAT.

[Sark]

Eating is a lot easier on steroids though and you can eat a lot more food than usual. I heard that's how most people gain weight on steroids to begin with. When they workout their body's want more food to consume and to grow.

Says who? You need to take advice given to you, instead of waiting for someone to come along and agree with you. You're not really looking for advice, you're looking for someone to tell you it's ok and agree with what you are already wanting. That's why I said the number one thing is your mindset. You need to change it or you wont reach your goals, steroids or not.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

I aready do eat a lot more. I eat protein bars in between meals + weight gainers and still nothing. Its been 6 years already. I must've gained 10 pounds, but not from what I did, but natural growth.

[PistolPete33]

At your height and weight you're a string bean. You might not want to hear that you need to eat and train but that's what you need to do. Way more important than going on a cycle with all the risks and not knowing how to eat and train to just go back to being a string bean.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

At your height and weight you're a string bean. You might not want to hear that you need to eat and train but that's what you need to do. Way more important than going on a cycle with all the risks and not knowing how to eat and train to just go back to being a string bean.

What are the risks. I don't plan to do that much. 200mg/ml at 1cc per week for 10 weeks. Just one cycle to try it out.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

I don't think 200mg/ml at 1cc per week is a lot.

[PistolPete33]

What are the risks. I don't plan to do that much. 200mg/ml at 1cc per week for 10 weeks. Just one cycle to try it out.

What are the risks???? Glad you asked. Shutting down your natural test production and never recovering. Screwing up your hormones to the point that your penis never works again. Gaining Gyno, also known as man-boobs, gaining strength too quickly and getting stronger too quickly and causing ligament and tendon damage. The list goes on and on and on. it doesn't matter if you're running 100mg or 5000mg either way you're shutting your HPTA system down.

I'm guessing by your post that you're also young? I'm guessing between 16-19 years old?

[NiccoGutierrez1]

i'm 27. I know all about cycling. Take AI's during cycle and PCTs after the cycle. Unless it's more complicated than that.

[PistolPete33]

i'm 27. I know all about cycling. Take AI's during cycle and PCTs after the cycle. Unless it's more complicated than that.

You know all about cycling??? Really???? How long have you been training?

[songdog]

Welcome and I agree you need too gain weight natty before you even think about gear bro.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

You know all about cycling??? Really???? How long have you been training?

Bro I've been training since I was 19. I'm going to say for the most part everything is bullshit. People don't just gain weight without the help of drugs especially from 135 lbs to 165 lbs. I've tried all those protein shakes already bro trust me. Same with dextrose and malto dextrin. Didn't gain a single pound even while working out.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

People say "you need to eat at a surplus." Bullshit. If your body burns 3000 calories per day and you ate 4000 calories per day, your body will just shit out the 1000. It's genetics. Your body wasn't designed to gain weight that's why you end up shitting out the "surplus." I've tried it already. Shitted out everything I ate every time.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Besides that nutrition thread wasn't straight forward anyway it says


"Try eating 300g protein, 400g carbs, and 150g fats" per day, per week? Don't really matter you eat more than your body is designed for, then you end up shitting out the surplus. Even if you workout.

[PistolPete33]

Bro I've been training since I was 19. I'm going to say for the most part everything is bullshit. People don't just gain weight without the help of drugs especially from 135 lbs to 165 lbs. I've tried all those protein shakes already bro trust me. Same with dextrose and malto dextrin. Didn't gain a single pound even while working out.

That's total bullshit. So, you've been training for 8 years and you haven't gained any weight. When I started lifting I was 5'6" and 125lbs. Without any gear and years of work I got up to 185lbs. This was my genetic max and I stayed at this weight for years. When I added gear years ago I was able to get to 200lbs. I'm consistently at 200lbs. now That's 75lbs of muscle of many many years.

You have to eat to gain. Your body won't shit it out it will store it either as fat or convert to muscle. You're clearly not eating enough nor are you training properly and lifting heavy enough to build mass. A typical bulk for me is 8000+ calories per day so don't tell me I don't know how hard it is to eat 4000 calories in a day. If you want to gain you gotta put the effort in. If you do a cycle and don't have this in check EVERYTHING you gain from the cycle will be lost within a few months post cycle. THIS IS A FACT...

[01dragonslayer]

People say "you need to eat at a surplus." Bullshit. If your body burns 3000 calories per day and you ate 4000 calories per day, your body will just shit out the 1000. It's genetics. Your body wasn't designed to gain weight that's why you end up shitting out the "surplus." I've tried it already. Shitted out everything I ate every time.

Where did you come up with THIS rational? Thats impossible. IMO you are 'fishing' until someone advises you on what you WANT to hear.

Please listen to the advice of all the experience here that has been given to you. Research and learn and work hard.

[PistolPete33]

Where did you come up with THIS rational? Thats impossible. IMO you are 'fishing' until someone advises you on what you WANT to hear.

Please listen to the advice of all the experience here that has been given to you. Research and learn and work hard.

Exactly, if what the OP was saying was true then nobody would ever be fat. If you want to gain weight you need to eat in excess. Pretty simple actually.

[Tigershark]

Welcome.

[Couchlock]

i'm 27. I know all about cycling. Take AI's during cycle and PCTs after the cycle. Unless it's more complicated than that.

What you read a sticky, now your an expert. Cool.

Wouldn't you Like to know why, instead of being blindly told?

If you've been training for 8 years, and your 6'1 135, and eat in a surplus, you are

1) either full of shit, trying to get us to map out a cycle for you, with you filling out an application to the letter (trying to fool a shrink into diagnosing you normal,)
2) you do not train correctly at all.

If you take offense to this, you should. Cuzz your calling out golden rules of bodybuilding bullshit, is offensive to us

Thirdly, you do make poop when you eat, but the poop is stripped of the things that build fat and muscle.

By your logic, if your body is using the food to build muscle, then you have no need to eliminate waste, its all turned to muscle. That has got to be the most narrow minded, stupid reasoning applied with no logic I've ever heard.

If you want help, don't try to piss down our backs, and tell us its raining.

Fwiw, didn't you basically buy M&M's of a guy thinking they were Ai's and serms? Lola you know cycling alright

[redz]

You are tiny even if you were female 135 would be lite for 6'1. Im 6'2 260lbs and its from eating. You need to gain about 50lbs naturally before even thinking about cycling.

[kelkel]

Maybe you shouldn't bother with forums if you already have all the prerequisite knowledge?

[songdog]

Bro I've been training since I was 19. I'm going to say for the most part everything is bullshit. People don't just gain weight without the help of drugs especially from 135 lbs to 165 lbs. I've tried all those protein shakes already bro trust me. Same with dextrose and malto dextrin. Didn't gain a single pound even while working out.

Well you are wrong bro! Guys build a base and they learn how to eat right.Beacuse someone like you who dont know how to eat will lose everything he gains if he gains anything at all.So the next time you want to call something we say bullshit! Know the facts before you talk beacuse we hear from guys like you everyday that want too get big and think they can run gear and it will happen.Getting big is 95% DIET!

[Couchlock]

Well you are wrong bro! Guys build a base and they learn how to eat right.Beacuse someone like you who dont know how to eat will lose everything he gains if he gains anything at all.So the next time you want to call something we say bullshit! Know the facts before you talk beacuse we hear from guys like you everyday that want too get big and think they can run gear and it will happen.Getting big is 95% DIET!

Yes. You have to pay your dues.

If it was overnight and easy, everybody would be arnold

To answer your actual question about proportioned.

You exersize each body part focusing on your weakest link.

A lot of guys, including me overtrain chest and back because imho, its easier lifts and feels good.

Focus on splits, the guys here ain't gonna help more than likely with aas advice, but they damn sure will with training.

Look at it like this. If you want steroids, you gotta buy needles, right?

Think of diet and training as the buying of needles, its a step you can not overlook

[THE SOURSE]

wlecome. remember nutrition is key.

[Nephets]

you have to track exactly how much you are eating...try my fitness pal. You have to experiment with your body. Eat 3000 calories. did you gain, did you lose. if you didn't gain, eat 4000. did you gain, did you lose. If you didn't gain, up them again. That's all it takes. there is a point where your body will grow. You just stopped before you got there. You are not special, you are not a freak of nature....you may have a fast metabolism, but that's easy to over come. just means your basic calories to stay the same is higher than average. you just have to eat more.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

I still think its genetics. Some people are meant to gain weight some people aren't. Besides at 27 it might be too late anyway I'm already in my prime.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

I'll do more research I guess, but I do workout though. Its tough being skinny. I feel too weak to lift heavy, but if i lift a little bit lighter I won't get bigger and stronger. I feel like there's nothing in the middle to support me to get stronger. It's like learning to ride a bicycle without training wheels. It's tough.

[redz]

i can make this very simple forget all your excuses and do it. All I hear from you is I can't because this I can't because that. If I was near you I could whip your ass into shape it's your mind that is weak not your body.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Would it hurt if I just tried 1 cycle? An 8 week cycle maybe? With PCTs?

[redz]

Yes you may even be smaller after. Your inability to train or eat will lead you back to the same failure of a physique. I may sound harsh but look in the mirror and say I have failed to eat and failed to train now I will do everything to get it right. You must accept this before you can move forward many people wish to get bigger but you have a nice height so your potential is huge. People with a real disadvantage are short there is no fix for that but you can change everything about your physique. I trained with a friend that was always 155lbs when I was done with him he was 185lbs lean and much stronger than he'd ever been. I lied to him and put more weight on the bar than he knew I yell at him to do 5 more sets when he wanted to quit. You have to want it more.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Alright.

[NiccoGutierrez1]

Would it be too late for me to build muscle and get bigger if I'm 27 years old. I'm in my prime already.

[redz]

No it's not too late and strength and muscle development prime is later than 27. You ever see young worlds strongest man competitors?

[songdog]

Bro guys been doing it in their 40's

[Nephets]

Im 38 and this is the best shape I have been in, mostly because it took me this long to figure out what works and doesn't work and I'm now able to do it consistently.