I don't know about you all, but im terrified

[IslamReligionOfPeace]

The mighty Iranian navy is flexing it's non-existent muscle. Note the scary picture of the most advanced vehicle in the fleet: The "super modern flying boat"


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190462,00.html

[cherokee6]

wow...just wow...

"stealth" - only cause it's not worth finding

[Teabagger]

The US 6th Fleet better turn tail and run while it still has a chance.........

[singern]

Why is there a life guard chair on the back?

[gixxerboy1]

Why is there a life guard chair on the back?

lol thats what it looks like.

It looks like an regular see plane

[perfectbeast2001]

Why is there a life guard chair on the back?

The missile thrower sits on it and hurls petrol bombs at the enemy. I hear they are also considering buying the custard pie guns from the bugsy malone film.

[Act of God]

this shit is too funny. I love the lifeguard chair. I guess that is for when it is in "boat mode" and someone's gotta make sure no one runs on the wings.

tweet!!!!

NO RUNNING!

[Pazienza]

It's a decent piece of machinery not as complex as American weaponry but not bad. That picture does not do it justice. Here is a vid of it I found online.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vPFvDWCOs

[Logan13]

It's a decent piece of machinery not as complex as American weaponry but not bad. That picture does not do it justice. Here is a vid of it I found online.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10vPFvDWCOs

please remove your head from your *** and take a good look around you. You make excuses in every post for the crazies in the middle east. You care so much for them, why are you not over there giving them aid?

[alphaman]

please remove your head from your *** and take a good look around you. You make excuses in every post for the crazies in the middle east. You care so much for them, why are you not over there giving them aid?

Part of me wonders if it's Caus.....

[kis55]

Part of me wonders if it's Caus.....

LOL-wonders?

Must be that troublesome roomate/friend again.

[Pazienza]

please remove your head from your *** and take a good look around you. You make excuses in every post for the crazies in the middle east. You care so much for them, why are you not over there giving them aid?

There are crazies everywhere. I dont judge a whole people because of the actions of a few. I am against many US foreign policy issues. And I will say it loud and proud. Please focus you anger on someone else. I have no value or respect for these sound bits "why arent you not over there giving them aid?" With Americans like this and this neocon agenda the American forefathers would be rolling around in their graves.

[Logan13]

There are crazies everywhere. I dont judge a whole people because of the actions of a few. I am against many US foreign policy issues. And I will say it loud and proud. Please focus you anger on someone else. I have no value or respect for these sound bits "why arent you not over there giving them aid?" With Americans like this and this neocon agenda the American forefathers would be rolling around in their graves.

You have no idea what America is all about. And to say that you do not judge a whole people (muslims) because of the actions of a few is ludicrous. Actions speak louder than words, or in this case inactions. This vast majority of muslims that you speak about who are against the terrorists actions have not said anything, and because of this one would reason that this majority only exists in your head. My anger is directed at those it should be, at those who deserve it.

[Pazienza]

You have no idea what America is all about. And to say that you do not judge a whole people (muslims) because of the actions of a few is ludicrous. Actions speak louder than words, or in this case inactions. This vast majority of muslims that you speak about who are against the terrorists actions have not said anything, and because of this one would reason that this majority only exists in your head. My anger is directed at those it should be, at those who deserve it.

Listen judging from your former posts you seem to convey a very neocon agenda. Neocons are foreign parasites that are sucking the blood of true blooded Americans. The only true conservatives today are people like Patrick Buchanan. We need more guys like Pat and less guys like Cheney.

Neocons from various groups including from "The Project for the New American Century" make me hurl. All they are is a proxy that serves the interests of the rich and the zionists in the states.

Its an America FIRST policy that Americans should follow, not an Israel FIRST or Saudi Arabia FIRST policy. With an America first policy, without isolatism, we as a society will be much better off. And we will become the America that our forefathers dreamed of. They would die at the notion of the neocons.

[Logan13]

Listen judging from your former posts you seem to convey a very neocon agenda. Neocons are foreign parasites that are sucking the blood of true blooded Americans. The only true conservatives today are people like Patrick Buchanan. We need more guys like Pat and less guys like Cheney.

Neocons from various groups including from "The Project for the New American Century" make me hurl. All they are is a proxy that serves the interests of the rich and the zionists in the states.

Its an America FIRST policy that Americans should follow, not an Israel FIRST or Saudi Arabia FIRST policy. With an America first policy, without isolatism, we as a society will be much better off. And we will become the America that our forefathers dreamed of. They would die at the notion of the neocons.

better a neocon than a terrorist apologizer.........
remember your labeling here as it will follow you and your empty words throughout your posts.......

[Kärnfysikern]

Actions speak louder than words, or in this case inactions. This vast majority of muslims that you speak about who are against the terrorists actions have not said anything, and because of this one would reason that this majority only exists in your head.

I have never quite understood this attitude. If a male beats a female and feminist screams all males are animals. Does it mean all males have to protest against the females in order to prove they are not animals? If we dont protest are the feminist right in claiming we indeed are animals since we dont speak up?

If a black man robs a store must all black men protest to show the are not criminals?

Plenty of white men are serial killers and phedophiles. Im not out on the streets protesting against serial killers and phedophiles just because I am white. I think its comon sense to assume I am not those things even though I am white and I have no more need to prove I am not a serial killer than a muslim has a need to prove he is not a terrorist.

[zOaib]

I have never quite understood this attitude. If a male beats a female and feminist screams all males are animals. Does it mean all males have to protest against the females in order to prove they are not animals? If we dont protest are the feminist right in claiming we indeed are animals since we dont speak up?

If a black man robs a store must all black men protest to show the are not criminals?

Plenty of white men are serial killers and phedophiles. Im not out on the streets protesting against serial killers and phedophiles just because I am white. I think its comon sense to assume I am not those things even though I am white and I have no more need to prove I am not a serial killer than a muslim has a need to prove he is not a terrorist.

well said johan , thank you !

[SMYL_GR8]

This argument could persist for days so why don't we get back to the topic of how this particular slice of media depicted the Iranian military as boastful and pathetic.

[singern]

I have never quite understood this attitude. If a male beats a female and feminist screams all males are animals. Does it mean all males have to protest against the females in order to prove they are not animals? If we dont protest are the feminist right in claiming we indeed are animals since we dont speak up?

If a black man robs a store must all black men protest to show the are not criminals?

Plenty of white men are serial killers and phedophiles. Im not out on the streets protesting against serial killers and phedophiles just because I am white. I think its comon sense to assume I am not those things even though I am white and I have no more need to prove I am not a serial killer than a muslim has a need to prove he is not a terrorist.

Again you are confusing criminality with culture.

How often do you see a group of protesters marching in support of serial killers or rapists? How often do you see interviews with community leaders who glorify, and praise bank robbers and child molesters.

Now ask how often you see Islamic religious, political, and cultural leaders justify terrorists, and there actions.

So back to topic, Iran is clearly saber rattling with this advertised war game, in order to show the western world what military capabilities they have. My question is, are they going to use the tens of thousands of Child solders (10, 12 years old) they used during the Iran - Iraq war.

[Kärnfysikern]

Again you are confusing criminality with culture.

How often do you see a group of protesters marching in support of serial killers or rapists? How often do you see interviews with community leaders who glorify, and praise bank robbers and child molesters.

Now ask how often you see Islamic religious, political, and cultural leaders justify terrorists, and there actions.

I still dont se how that implies that avarage muslims should demonstrate against terrorism? They have no need to prove that they are not terrorist and they have no obligation to show they do not support terrorism. Any sane person should realise they are not terrorist and do not support terrorism simply because they are muslim.

By saying they should and are obliged to demonstrate against terrorism you are saying gulity until proven innocent.

[singern]

I still dont se how that implies that avarage muslims should demonstrate against terrorism? They have no need to prove that they are not terrorist and they have no obligation to show they do not support terrorism. Any sane person should realise they are not terrorist and do not support terrorism simply because they are muslim.

By saying they should and are obliged to demonstrate against terrorism you are saying gulity until proven innocent.

Not at all, I am the last person to label an entire nation over the actions of a minority, However I do strongly belive this to be an internal Islamic issue. One that needs to be addressed by religious, political, and social leaders. These extremist ideologies are born and cultivated in Mosques, school books, TV shows and other cultural addresses.

If you were a member of a church where the priest gave fiery sermons instructing the death of non believers, would you not say WTF?

If your 1st grade school book told you to kill Jews and get virgins in heaven, would you not say WTF?

So you see this is an issue which must be dealt with on a cultural level.

[Kärnfysikern]

Not at all, I am the last person to label an entire nation over the actions of a minority, However I do strongly belive this to be an internal Islamic issue. One that needs to be addressed by religious, political, and social leaders. These extremist ideologies are born and cultivated in Mosques, school books, TV shows and more.

If you were a member of a church where the priest gave fiery sermons instructing the death of non believers, would you not say WTF?

If your 1st grade school book told you to kill Jews and get virgins in heaven, would you not say WTF?

So you see this is an issue which must be dealt with on a cultural level.

If you stand by and watch a murder and do nothing, are you innocent?
If you

I would say WTF and leave that church and call the cops if I thought that would do any good. But if I live in a country where every church is like that and the cops belive in that crap I would probably just stay away...

I dont pretend to have a solution to the brainwashing in the middle east. I think education is the only key but I dont know how it would be possible to educate a people that suffers under opressive leaders.

[singern]

[QUOTE=johan]I would say WTF and leave that church and call the cops if I thought that would do any good. But if I live in a country where every church is like that and the cops belive in that crap I would probably just stay away...
QUOTE]

Thats right on the money.
So what about those Muslims that are in the US , Britain, Amsterdam, Spain.........Why dont they call the cops? why arent they acting to rid there community of the extremists in there midst?

A public protest is not necessary to prove your not a terrorist, but acting responsibly to ensure they don't have a place to gather, spread, and act is essential. Otherwise your just an accomplice.

[Kärnfysikern]

Thats right on the money.
So what about those Muslims that are in the US , Britain, Amsterdam, Spain.........Why dont they call the cops? why arent they acting to rid there community of the extremists in there midst?

A public protest is not necessary to prove your not a terrorist, but acting responsibly to ensure they dont have a place to gather, spread, and act is essential.

Didnt a muslim informer tip the cops on the recent planed bombing of flights??

If I knew someone in my community planned a terrorist action I would surely notify the cops. Unless I thought doing so would bring harm to my family.

[singern]

Didnt a muslim informer tip the cops on the recent planed bombing of flights??

If I knew someone in my community planned a terrorist action I would surely notify the cops. Unless I thought doing so would bring harm to my family.

I dont pretend to have all the answers, but this is a real problem in the Muslim community, and needs to be eliminated in the Muslim community.

As you may have guessed I am Jewish, and Israeli. I have heard many opinions, and views in the Jewish community. Many I agree with many I do not. But when a dark ideology emerges, one that foments hatred or violence it is very quickly removed and outlawed. In example the Rabbi Meri Kahana who was outlawed and eventually expelled from Israel for preaching hatred of Arabs and Muslims.

[Kärnfysikern]

the main issue seems to be how to reach the people that are beeing brainwashed in Iran, saudi arabia and the other countries in the region.

They will have no chooise but to evolve by themself with time but that can take a long while. Religion didnt lose its grip on europe over night..

[singern]

the main issue seems to be how to reach the people that are beeing brainwashed in Iran, saudi arabia and the other countries in the region.

They will have no chooise but to evolve by themself with time but that can take a long while. Religion didnt lose its grip on europe over night..

Agreed.
Change is inevitable. but I am not sure that democracy can be force fed.

[Pazienza]

I still dont se how that implies that avarage muslims should demonstrate against terrorism? They have no need to prove that they are not terrorist and they have no obligation to show they do not support terrorism. Any sane person should realise they are not terrorist and do not support terrorism simply because they are muslim.

By saying they should and are obliged to demonstrate against terrorism you are saying gulity until proven innocent.

Bravo. This the the true American way, this is the true American mindset. As I have said a new political disease has sprung up in our society. Their purpose is to shred the Constitution and follow their own fascist laws.

[Teabagger]

Bravo. This the the true American way, this is the true American mindset. As I have said a new political disease has sprung up in our society. Their purpose is to shred the Constitution and follow their own fascist laws.

WTF are you talking about?? The American way is to protest, and assemble...for and against things...how about when the KKK has a rally, the assembly against them is greater than for. In the 1960's, young whites marched in protest to the civil rights violations, stating "we are not racial bigots"...there are numbeous example throughout history where a group, ethnic, religious, etc...came together publically to proclaim their "non-affiliation" with another group that was of their same ethic, race, or religious group. So you may want to rethink the "american way".

[zOaib]

WTF are you talking about?? The American way is to protest, and assemble...for and against things...how about when the KKK has a rally, the assembly against them is greater than for. In the 1960's, young whites marched in protest to the civil rights violations, stating "we are not racial bigots"...there are numbeous example throughout history where a group, ethnic, religious, etc...came together publically to proclaim their "non-affiliation" with another group that was of their same ethic, race, or religious group. So you may want to rethink the "american way".

here is a site where there is a list of events and muslim scholars who have publicly condemened terrorist attacks and are against such notion , i cannot understand what else the west wants from the muslims who dont support terrorism , http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php


---- i am pretty sure the protestors for the civil rights violation didnt go out and look for KKK memembers and start killign them to show their point.

[singern]

---- i am pretty sure the protestors for the civil rights violation didnt go out and look for KKK memembers and start killign them to show their point.

ZOAIB

you know I admire your moderate views, but the issue here is not to go out and hunt them down, but that it is some religious leaders, and some Imams in the Masques that are preaching these ideologies. political leaders who enflame, and incite violence.
Yet these religious, and political leaders are hailed as great men, and the "martyrs" are hailed as heroes.
You must agree that there is a cultural issue at hand. And in my opinion must be dealt with from within the Muslim community itself. Again I am not saying that you as a Muslim need to go out and hunt down extremists, but by not going to a certain mosque, reporting known hangouts of extremists, or not attending a political rally. There are many ways to make clear that these ideologies are not welcome. I hate to over simplify such a complex issue, but it has to start somewhere.

[Phreak101]

Bravo. This the the true American way, this is the true American mindset. As I have said a new political disease has sprung up in our society. Their purpose is to shred the Constitution and follow their own fascist laws.

I suppose liberals have NEVER tried to violate the Constitution

[zOaib]

ZOAIB

you know I admire your moderate views, but the issue here is not to go out and hunt them down, but that it is some religious leaders, and some Imams in the Masques that are preaching these ideologies. political leaders who enflame, and incite violence.
Yet these religious, and political leaders are hailed as great men, and the "martyrs" are hailed as heroes.
You must agree that there is a cultural issue at hand. And in my opinion must be dealt with from within the Muslim community itself. Again I am not saying that you as a Muslim need to go out and hunt down extremists, but by not going to a certain mosque, reporting known hangouts of extremists, or not attending a political rally. There are many ways to make clear that these ideologies are not welcome. I hate to over simplify such a complex issue, but it has to start somewhere.

i agree with what u just said , but how do u know that the muslims living in those communities have not already started reporting such things, i have been reading many various sources where malaysia , indonesia , pakistan , kuwait , saudia and bahrain , also UAE have gotten stricter in knowing whats being preached in the mosques and if those places are not being used for recruitment of radical militia ................. its definately a very complex issue, but its disheartening for majority of muslims who want to live and enjoy life like any other person on this planet , and i hope the world is more careful in expalining what islam is , rather than calling every terrorist a muslim , because that for me is the biggest ignorant remark and assignment of character to a religion. while the religion doenst even preach close to that , and if there are ppl who use the words out of the Quran to prove otherwise , need to read the whole chapter rather than taking things out of context ........... i for one would nto have accepted islam for my moral path of life , if i saw anything that showed contradiction in its teachings or unfairness.

sorry for the long reply , but i had been keeping it inside me for sometime , because i have been seeing all the contrary reflection of islam and stereotype remarks being thrown all over the threads ................

[eliteforce]

Thread was supposed to be about Irans military capability .. that flying boat may not look lke much but armed with the kind of sophesticated missile technology like we just saw Hezbolah using against I-destroying all those tanks and the Iranian military look set to inflict some heavy losses on the Americans if they come to blows..US ships have a precarious journy through tight seas to get to their mess in Iraq..not too mention the ballistic missiles they have pointing at US bases in Iraq.

[Logan13]

I still dont se how that implies that avarage muslims should demonstrate against terrorism? They have no need to prove that they are not terrorist and they have no obligation to show they do not support terrorism. Any sane person should realise they are not terrorist and do not support terrorism simply because they are muslim.

By saying they should and are obliged to demonstrate against terrorism you are saying gulity until proven innocent.

You yourself have used the exact opposite logic in regards to Iran. They must prove themselves first. I am not willing to wait until these people strike before condemning them, in my eyes they must prove themselves to be rational human beings. We cannot afford to sit back and hope that these people will become civilized, we must wipe out those who mean us harm first. The West didn't start this war, but we sure as hell are going to finish it. We cannot use diplomacy with them, it has been tried and failed numerous times. Rationalizing with religion is not possible. Label all you want, facts are facts........This is the real world folks, theory does not apply nor does it solve anything.

[Kärnfysikern]

You yourself have used the exact opposite logic in regards to Iran. They must prove themselves first. I am not willing to wait until these people strike before condemning them, in my eyes they must prove themselves to be rational human beings. We cannot afford to sit back and hope that these people will become civilized, we must wipe out those who mean us harm first. The West didn't start this war, but we sure as hell are going to finish it. We cannot use diplomacy with them, it has been tried and failed numerous times. Rationalizing with religion is not possible. Label all you want, facts are facts........This is the real world folks, theory does not apply nor does it solve anything.

But in the case with Iran they are openly agressive and thats why they need to prove themself to the western world. If the ayatholla and president where both peaceloving people I would support Irans right to enrichen uranium. But they have shown other intentions.

But my post was mostly in regards to muslims in the western world. Not the ones living in the middle east. A european muslim or a american muslim has no need to prove that they are not terrorists.
I would except even less from a muslim living in the middle east since they could put themself in danger by openly opposing things.

Theory is the basis of everything. Without it we are blind and deaf.

[Pazienza]

WTF are you talking about?? The American way is to protest, and assemble...for and against things...how about when the KKK has a rally, the assembly against them is greater than for. In the 1960's, young whites marched in protest to the civil rights violations, stating "we are not racial bigots"...there are numbeous example throughout history where a group, ethnic, religious, etc...came together publically to proclaim their "non-affiliation" with another group that was of their same ethic, race, or religious group. So you may want to rethink the "american way".

This is what I am talking about. Our great country is being poisoned by foreign parasites. I hope to God that you arent an American because if you are you need to take the flag that isnt American and put up an American flag. Represent America if you are an American. But if you are in Israeli more power to you.

[Pazienza]

I suppose liberals have NEVER tried to violate the Constitution

I am a true conservative. My idealogy is that of some of the few true conservatives left today. As I have said before Patrick Buchanan is a good example of a true conservative. America first. Neocons do not represent America they represent foreign interests in the U.S.

[Pazienza]

I really cant stand how our country has become. People are American and fly the Puerto Rican flag, the Israeli flag, the Italian flag, the Iraqi flag. Etc etc. If you are an American do not fly those flags you are an American, period. Be proud of your hertiage but you are an American.

Speak English, fly the American flag, and do not be influenced by foreign entities within the U.S.

[singern]

i agree with what u just said , but how do u know that the muslims living in those communities have not already started reporting such things, i have been reading many various sources where malaysia , indonesia , pakistan , kuwait , saudia and bahrain , also UAE have gotten stricter in knowing whats being preached in the mosques and if those places are not being used for recruitment of radical militia

Actualy I dont know, Most likely because nobody reports on this, all we see are the TV shows where kids sing of death, Politicians who praise martyrs, and religious sermons where they chant of the evil west. Not even Al Jezeera which I try to read several times a week reports on any kind of change, I hope it is indeed true.

its definately a very complex issue, but its disheartening for majority of muslims who want to live and enjoy life like any other person on this planet , and i hope the world is more careful in expalining what islam is , rather than calling every terrorist a muslim , because that for me is the biggest ignorant remark and assignment of character to a religion. while the religion doenst even preach close to that , and if there are ppl who use the words out of the Quran to prove otherwise , need to read the whole chapter rather than taking things out of context ........... i for one would nto have accepted islam for my moral path of life , if i saw anything that showed contradiction in its teachings or unfairness.

sorry for the long reply , but i had been keeping it inside me for sometime , because i have been seeing all the contrary reflection of islam and stereotype remarks being thrown all over the threads ................

You should voice up, your outlook is fair, and your views are moderate. Many more folks on all sides of the isle can learn from you. Allot of people are just intent on pushing an agenda that allows for an I win scenario, when it's really a matter of right and wrong, which I try to bring with my argument.