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    Sunday, October 22, 2006
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    French Police Face Attacks by Growing 'Intifada'
    EPINAY-SUR-SEINE, France — On a routine call, three unwitting police officers fell into a trap. A car darted out to block their path, and dozens of hooded youths surged out of the darkness to attack them with stones, bats and tear gas before fleeing. One officer was hospitalized.

    The recent ambush was emblematic of what some officers say has become a near-perpetual and increasingly violent conflict between police and gangs in tough, largely immigrant French neighborhoods that were the scene of a three-week paroxysm of rioting last year.

    One small police union claims officers are facing a "permanent intifada." Police injuries have risen in the year since the wave of violence.

    National police reported 2,458 cases of violence against officers in the first six months of the year, on pace to top the 4,246 cases recorded for all of 2005 and the 3,842 in 2004. Firefighters and rescue workers have also been targeted — and some now receive police escorts in such areas.

    On Sunday, a band of about 30 youths, some wearing masks, forced passengers out of a bus in a southern Paris suburb in broad daylight Sunday, set it on fire, then stoned firefighters who came to the rescue, police said. No one was injured. Two people were arrested, one of them a 13-year-old, according to LCI television.

    More broadly, worsening violence in France testifies to Europe's growing struggle to integrate its ethnic minorities. Some mainstream European politicians — adopting positions previously confined largely to far-right fringes — are suggesting that the minorities themselves are not doing enough to adapt to European mores.

    In Britain, former Foreign Minister Jack Straw, now leader of the House of Commons, this month touched off a wide debate about the rights and obligations of Muslims by saying that he asks devout Muslim women to remove their veils when visiting his office. Prime Minister Tony Blair said Islam needs to modernize.

    In France, a high school teacher received death threats, forcing him into hiding, after he wrote a newspaper editorial in September saying Muslim fundamentalists are trying to muzzle Europe's democratic liberties.

    Ethnic integration and violence against police are both becoming issues in the campaign for the French presidency. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, the leading contender on the right, said this month that those who do not love France do not have to stay, echoing a longtime slogan of the extreme-right National Front: "France, love it or leave it."

    Michel Thooris, head of the small Action Police union, claims that the new violence is taking on an Islamic fundamentalist tinge.

    "Many youths, many arsonists, many vandals behind the violence do it to cries of 'Allah Akbar' (God is Great) when our police cars are stoned," he said in an interview.

    Larger, more mainstream police unions sharply disagree that the suburban unrest has any religious basis. However, they do say that some youth gangs no longer seem content to throw stones or torch cars and instead appear determined to hurt police officers — or worse.

    "First, it was a rock here or there. Then it was rocks by the dozen. Now, they're leading operations of an almost military sort to trap us," said Loic Lecouplier, a police union official in the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris. "These are acts of war."

    Sadio Sylla, an unemployed mother of three, watched the Oct. 13 ambush of the police patrol in Epinay-sur-Seine from her second-floor window. She, other witnesses and police union officials said up to 50 masked youths dashed out from behind trees.

    One of the three officers needed 30 stitches to his face after being struck by a rock. On Saturday, five people were placed under investigation for attempted murder in relation to the ambush.

    The attack was one of at least four gang beatings of police in Parisian suburbs since Sept. 19. Early Friday, a dozen hooded people hurled stones, iron bars and bottles filled with gasoline at two police vehicles in Aulnay-sous-Bois, a flashpoint of last year's riots, said Guillaume Godet, a city hall spokesman. One officer required three stitches to his head.

    Minority youths have long complained that police are more heavy-handed in their dealings with them than with whites, demanding their papers and frisking them for no apparent reason.

    Such perceived ill-treatment fuels feelings of injustice, as do the difficulties that many youths from immigrant families have finding work.

    Distrust and tension thrive. Rumors have flown around some housing projects that police are hoping to use the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which ends this week, to round up known troublemakers, on the basis that fasting all day will have made the youths weaker and easier to catch.

    Police say that suggestion is ludicrous. However, they are on guard ahead of the first anniversary this week of last year's riots. That violence began after two youths who thought police were chasing them hid in a power substation and were electrocuted to death.

    Police unions suspect that the recent attacks may be an attempt to spark new riots.

    "We are getting the impression these youths want a 'remake' of what happened last year," said Fred Lagache, national secretary of the Alliance police union. "The youths are trying to cause a police error to justify chaos."

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    MAny french immigrant are of arab origin(many are former french colonies) hence these arab immigrants represent a vast portion of immigrants, however the currrent social "injustice" is not an arab issue but rather a social minority issue. There are a few changes that will need to be made and some of them have already taken effect. Federal gevrnement has to encourage social equalty and get these restless unemployed immigrants off the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prada
    MAny french immigrant are of arab origin(many are former french colonies) hence these arab immigrants represent a vast portion of immigrants, however the currrent social "injustice" is not an arab issue but rather a social minority issue. There are a few changes that will need to be made and some of them have already taken effect. Federal gevrnement has to encourage social equalty and get these restless unemployed immigrants off the streets.
    If this liberal gov't hasn't been able to cater to the wants and needs of its immigrants, I do not know how any of the more moderate countries would be able to do so. May not be an "arab" issue, but they seem to be the only group present during all of these squirmishes........

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    Well it seems like it's arabs and muslims(although many arabs in France are Catholics) behind the discontent but it's a minority or immigrant issue. Dont forget that arabs to France are almost what African americans are to America. African Amercains are considered an actual part of america(for the most part) while Arabs are still not considered an integrated part of society. There is a vast and significant difference amongst the "purebred" french and the "african french" in society and the opportunities they are given and actuallythis is the exact reason of their uprisisng. Chirac has to address this neglected issue. It has absolutly nothing to do with extremism or terroroism whatsoever.

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    Some mainstream European politicians — adopting positions previously confined largely to far-right fringes — are suggesting that the minorities themselves are not doing enough to adapt to European mores.
    Well duh about time someone realises that! Lower imigration until the mess is sorted out.

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    You see many of these maghreb area arabs, which mostly reside is Marseille France, when they came to France decades ago, they setup manual labour jobs/business. Shoes repairs, cleaning, mechanics, plumbers, etc. They passed this on to thier children. Today many of these jobs are obsolete and therefore are jobless, many youngster do nothing but play soccer and roam around like hooligans with nothing else to do. So they are actually protesting because they want to do something. Then their are labour laws in France which are, lets just say pro-seniority. Their is not much incentive or encouragement for business to hire young graduates. So that leaves them in the dark. The conditions are much more transparent in North America and yes their are tax credits in some countries for corporations that hire "visible minoritites". These companies actually have surveys, within, asking employees if they are visible minorities and then they send the data to the federal governement for tax credits. So in N.A you dont feel like a 2nd class citizen or a minority, likewise cannot be said in France. There is this silent discrimination, its not very bad but it is there. Having said that it has to be clear that this problem is a social problem and has nothing to do with terrorism, alqaeeda or anything of that matter.

    One of the problems also is you cant let immgrants locate themselves just anywhere because naturally they live in some centralized location toghether. I've noticed in some countries states or provinces they forbid immigrants from living in certain saturated citites for a time frams 5,10 years. I think thats great, force them to intergrate. I cant stand china towns, little Italy, and the likes, they dont intergrate and form their little ghettos and live like in their countries. Dont evn speak a word of english. Those are failed policies

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    wow but muslims arent the problem..... the french police should develop itchy trigger fingers like the NYPD. If that shit happened in NY the next day there would be tons of cops in that area with their safetys off.

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    The "muslim problem" in France has been there for decades...

    It's just that now with recent events involving them world wide US medias are finally picking up on it.

    Some say that the french are at fault for ghettoising them and not letting them integrate, but I disagree...

    From personal experience I lived in an area that became a muslim ghetto and let me tell you they do it to themselves... they did NOT integrate in the local culture, they congregated and refused to mix with those not of their culture, and imposed their ways. (I got the heck out of that neigbourhood as soon as I was able to!)

    I have no pity for the muslims in the ghettos in France and hope the government kicks out ALL the illegals.

    Just my 2 cents worth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    The "muslim problem" in France has been there for decades...

    It's just that now with recent events involving them world wide US medias are finally picking up on it.

    Some say that the french are at fault for ghettoising them and not letting them integrate, but I disagree...

    From personal experience I lived in an area that became a muslim ghetto and let me tell you they do it to themselves... they did NOT integrate in the local culture, they congregated and refused to mix with those not of their culture, and imposed their ways. (I got the heck out of that neigbourhood as soon as I was able to!)

    I have no pity for the muslims in the ghettos in France and hope the government kicks out ALL the illegals.

    Just my 2 cents worth

    Red

    Trust me I am not racist but this sounds exactly like what the illegal immigrants are doing when they come across the border in Texas. I live around the Dallas area and it seems like it is becoming a epidemic. For example, (and I know this is not a good example but If you could only see what is happening) 2 malls that my wife and I use to frequent has been over run with illegal immigrants and are almost going out of business. And these use to be the best malls in the area. They are like parasites. They come to this area and take over and loiter (sp.) and whistle at your wife or at little girls walking around and it ****ing pisses me off. Also, I own a business and they come in my store and ask if I know spanish and get pissed off when I say I don't. Lol. What if I went to mexico and walked to a place and got pissed off at the person working for not knowing English. I probably would have been kidnapped and killed by his cousins or friends. Sorry for hijacking but things around here are getting pretty ****ing rediculous.

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    All good points...what this boils down to is immigrants wanting their cake and eating it to. Coming to a country, refusing to integrate, then casuing problems when the country doesn't cater to you is grounds for expulsion in my mind. If you don't like it, go back to where you came from.

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    its a cultural issue. when the italians and irish came to america they helped build the infrastructure in the USA(bridges, highways, buildings, etc), integrated in society, learned to speak english(italians) and became americans. The ones who acted out (mafia) were condemed by the rest of their cultural group and resistances to them were created. If you saw "the untouchables" you saw the irish and italians trying to disrupt the mafia. this is not movie fiction but rather american history. these "italian squads" were integrated into US police forces and helped to stifle anti-italian sentiment because people saw that they were trying to solve their problem themselves. This is not the case with the muslims. You have pro-muslim groups who defend them and say that the world is picking on them. and then they turn their heads when stuff like this happens. if muslims would take up arms against those who give them a bad name the world wouldnt hate them so much.

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    Unless you're an Americain Indian you have no right to say "go back where you came from" ,... if that were the case then only the reservations would have people and we'd ALL be back where we came from. I can understand the illegals but to say all foreigners leave is down right a idiotic thing to say. Integration is one thing but to ask them to be a cookie cutter "Americain" is something one can't ask of them. This problem is the exact thing as what's been happening in the black population for generations and will continue to happen unless we forget that the color of one's skin or religion makes them less than human. MY 2 CENTS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicejunkie2
    Unless you're an Americain Indian you have no right to say "go back where you came from" ,... if that were the case then only the reservations would have people and we'd ALL be back where we came from. I can understand the illegals but to say all foreigners leave is down right a idiotic thing to say. Integration is one thing but to ask them to be a cookie cutter "Americain" is something one can't ask of them. This problem is the exact thing as what's been happening in the black population for generations and will continue to happen unless we forget that the color of one's skin or religion makes them less than human. MY 2 CENTS!
    Its comon sense that a person moving to a country adapts to the country, he should not expect the country to change for him.

    He doesnt have to give upp his religion or anything like that, but he should not try to enforce bullshit changes in the country he has moved to. If he doesnt like it he is welcome to leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    Its comon sense that a person moving to a country adapts to the country, he should not expect the country to change for him.

    He doesnt have to give upp his religion or anything like that, but he should not try to enforce bullshit changes in the country he has moved to. If he doesnt like it he is welcome to leave.
    Your point is well taken but this country was and is a melting pot of many different ethnicities.. all have contributed to what we call USA.. all have fought for their rights etc etc... Some shit is ridiculous I agree (I remember the black community wanting Ebonics as a language at one time)... while some shit is racist... the case with so many youth in France for example .. they are treated poorly by the same system in place to protect them and now that they retaliate they should go back from where they came is the rebuttal. I don't feel sorry for 1 cop in France dealing with this shit ... if they were fair to these people then I could understand the uproar about these foreigners causing such problems.... when a youth has nothing to do or has lost all hope is when he/she is most dangerous as he has nothing to live for or lose. That has been the problem in American ghettos for generations and we all see first hand the problems it has created. In a perfect world we'd spend billions on education and nothing on "helping" other nations with their "problems". Our government has forgotten what the really important issues at hand are. May God help us all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicejunkie2
    Unless you're an Americain Indian you have no right to say "go back where you came from" ,... if that were the case then only the reservations would have people and we'd ALL be back where we came from. I can understand the illegals but to say all foreigners leave is down right a idiotic thing to say. Integration is one thing but to ask them to be a cookie cutter "Americain" is something one can't ask of them. This problem is the exact thing as what's been happening in the black population for generations and will continue to happen unless we forget that the color of one's skin or religion makes them less than human. MY 2 CENTS!
    I have no problem with coming here and retaining cultural pride. But don't come here (or any other country for that matter, including France), and expect them to work around YOU and your culture. Fvck that nonsense. Mexicans calling East L.A. part of Mexico and demanding that SPanish be the official language of the city, etc. Whatever, blow me. (Not you JJ, those in general )

    As for all of us not being Native Americans, this country would still be a pile of dust and buffalo if it wasn't for the current population, so that argument just does not cut it anymore. Manifest destiny is a fact of life

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    I have no problem with coming here and retaining cultural pride. But don't come here (or any other country for that matter, including France), and expect them to work around YOU and your culture. Fvck that nonsense. Mexicans calling East L.A. part of Mexico and demanding that SPanish be the official language of the city, etc. Whatever, blow me. (Not you JJ, those in general )

    As for all of us not being Native Americans, this country would still be a pile of dust and buffalo if it wasn't for the current population, so that argument just does not cut it anymore. Manifest destiny is a fact of life
    A pile dust and buffalo .. wow. Ok so what you're saying is that only the British English have any right to this country and the everyone else is a foreigner or do you mean only us Whites have rights?? This place is quickly becoming Mexico and neither you nor I can stop that ... as you said manifest destiny... strength in numbers etc.

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    Phreak ... glad you don't want just me to blow you .. thanks.. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    wow but muslims arent the problem..... the french police should develop itchy trigger fingers like the NYPD. If that shit happened in NY the next day there would be tons of cops in that area with their safetys off.
    exactly, i cant believe they havnt figured that out yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicejunkie2
    A pile dust and buffalo .. wow. Ok so what you're saying is that only the British English have any right to this country and the everyone else is a foreigner or do you mean only us Whites have rights?? This place is quickly becoming Mexico and neither you nor I can stop that ... as you said manifest destiny... strength in numbers etc.
    No of course not, but that's history. The United States has not become the most powerful nation in this history of humanity in the shortest time period in history simply by chance, but I was just making an exaggerated point.

    This place is not quickly becoming Mexico, we, as a country, are turning a blind eye and allowing it to happen. If Mexico tried to do to us what we did to the Native Americans, I don't quite see history repeating itself.

    Numbers are no longer an issue, it's about numbers and technology. All the numbers in the world cannot stand up to a 20 megaton nuke, but now I'm just being ridiculous

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    Dont mix up immigrants with 2nd and 3rd generation citizens born and raised
    in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    The "muslim problem" in France has been there for decades...

    It's just that now with recent events involving them world wide US medias are finally picking up on it.

    Some say that the french are at fault for ghettoising them and not letting them integrate, but I disagree...

    From personal experience I lived in an area that became a muslim ghetto and let me tell you they do it to themselves... they did NOT integrate in the local culture, they congregated and refused to mix with those not of their culture, and imposed their ways. (I got the heck out of that neigbourhood as soon as I was able to!)

    I have no pity for the muslims in the ghettos in France and hope the government kicks out ALL the illegals.

    Just my 2 cents worth

    Red
    Right, but one must ask themselves when an immigrant immigrates to a country he instantly searches social acceptance and comfort and these Arabs did this and moved to Marseille and the likes. It is human nature, who wouldnt?. We all would do the same, it is the governements role to promote diversification via laws, rules and incentives. Many black-africains, eastern-europeans, and Arab-africains are all in the same boat vastly represented by the the Arab-Africains. As far as the integrating goes its their loss and that is something that irks me as well. Everyone should master the local language(french) and have to pass a test on French culture before getting citizenship. That way I would wholeheartedly be willing to subsidize our tax dollars to ship them back to their point of origin.

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    These so called immigrants are not accepted in the french society

    french doesnt want them, period, they are changing france not for good but for worse. Maybe it is time that the liberal PC in france and in the western world realize this.

    T'aime pas la france, dégage!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    T'aime pas la france, dégage!!!!!!
    More like DÉCRISSE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3Vandoo
    These so called immigrants are not accepted in the french society

    french doesnt want them, period, they are changing france not for good but for worse. Maybe it is time that the liberal PC in france and in the western world realize this.

    T'aime pas la france, dégage!!!!!!
    I agree, Lets all follow your logic, Lest do with them what we did before with the jews,
    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    EUROPE always shoots itself in the foot. Before you unleash your illogical comments, Please take 2 and read up about France and its history of colonisation of muslim,arab and african lands, from robbery to genocide.

    Then researh who were some of the first people sent to fight the nazies in ww2 in FRANCE.

    I think French should stop being such an ignorrent and arrogent society and help these men to assimilate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Compound
    I think French should stop being such an ignorrent and arrogent society and help these men to assimilate
    they dont want to assimilate that is the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    More like DÉCRISSE!






    Buy them a one way ticket and...... decalisse gang de putain de lache!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Compound
    I agree, Lets all follow your logic, Lest do with them what we did before with the jews,
    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    EUROPE always shoots itself in the foot. Before you unleash your illogical comments, Please take 2 and read up about France and its history of colonisation of muslim,arab and african lands, from robbery to genocide.

    Then researh who were some of the first people sent to fight the nazies in ww2 in FRANCE.

    I think French should stop being such an ignorrent and arrogent society and help these men to assimilate

    Did something had to do with Jews?

    NO

    French jews are an important part and did great things into the french community, unlike the muslim community who is responsible for most of the murders, rapes and crimes.

    sorry hard fact!

    ever lived in france?

    J'suis francais!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Compound
    I agree, Lets all follow your logic, Lest do with them what we did before with the jews,
    NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



    EUROPE always shoots itself in the foot. Before you unleash your illogical comments, Please take 2 and read up about France and its history of colonisation of muslim,arab and african lands, from robbery to genocide.

    Then researh who were some of the first people sent to fight the nazies in ww2 in FRANCE.

    I think French should stop being such an ignorrent and arrogent society and help these men to assimilate
    The French do not HAVE TO let anyone migrate into their country. No one has the right to move into any country that they wish. Immigrants bare the responsibility to assimilate. This is, afterall, one of the most liberal countries in the world. If these people can't get along here, how can they make it anywhere? It all goes towards cultural attitudes, if they were waiting for the red carpet to come out for them they will not prosper. Freedom comes with responsibilities...they need to become responsible for their own actions and futures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    The French do not HAVE TO let anyone migrate into their country. No one has the right to move into any country that they wish. Immigrants bare the responsibility to assimilate. This is, afterall, one of the most liberal countries in the world. If these people can't get along here, how can they make it anywhere? It all goes towards cultural attitudes, if they were waiting for the red carpet to come out for them they will not prosper. Freedom comes with responsibilities...they need to become responsible for their own actions and futures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    The French do not HAVE TO let anyone migrate into their country. No one has the right to move into any country that they wish. Immigrants bare the responsibility to assimilate. This is, afterall, one of the most liberal countries in the world. If these people can't get along here, how can they make it anywhere? It all goes towards cultural attitudes, if they were waiting for the red carpet to come out for them they will not prosper. Freedom comes with responsibilities...they need to become responsible for their own actions and futures.
    Whats worse is that the vast majority of the trouble makers are ILLEGAL ALIENS and their children who are there to take advantage and abuse of France's very generous social programs.

    I think France is very patient and generous in this case... but you can also see that the french people are getting tired of that crap (Why do you think Le Pen and his Front National is gaining popularity?)

    Red

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    Yes I agree, hence the reason that individuals support the likes of Jean-Marie Le Pen, somewhat extermist idealogy. Sometimes I deem these western countries to "socially tolerant" what I find disturbing is that as much as we are being tolerant, if we would go to their country of origin they would be just as intolerant, a mere reciprocal. We should have strict measures and harsh acceptance prerequisites. They should have to make the sacrifices and not the contrary

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    Im all for legal imigration, and assimilation is a must. When my family came to the US my grand-parents were not allowed to speak any German at all. And thats the way it was in all German American communities. I live in a state that is vastly of German desent and you cant find someone now a 100 years later that speaks German in family settings. During WW II most Germany Americans fought the against Hitler and the Nazi Party. Some were recent immigrants or first generation. Here in America there are Muslim speakers at College campuses that spread hate messages openly. They recruit members to fight against us even though they were educated from here and had friends and family that live here. One of the 9/11 hijackers was a an alumni of my college. And the problems in France are echoed elsewhere in the E.U. Belguim, Germany, Britain ect all these nations are having trouble with muslim communities so you cant tell me its all because of host nations. There is no way that I a White, male, christian could ever live in Palestine, Turkey, Libia, or any other Muslim country. I would be DOA, I just hate how politically correct we are and how this is not returned to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience
    There is no way that I a White, male, christian could ever live in Palestine, Turkey, Libia, or any other Muslim country. I would be DOA, I just hate how politically correct we are and how this is not returned to us.

    There was an interview recently ( I will try and track down a link) where an Middle Eastern Muslim living in Britain was asked why he refuses to assimilate and be more interactive with the local culture, He replied :because my culture is so much better than yours, the English should assimilate to Islam.


    I think that says it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    There was an interview recently ( I will try and track down a link) where an Middle Eastern Muslim living in Britain was asked why he refuses to assimilate and be more interactive with the local culture, He replied :because my culture is so much better than yours, the English should assimilate to Islam.


    I think that says it all.
    That's just anecdotal evidence. You can find anybody of any race, sex, religion, creed, nationality, etc that said something like that about another place or country

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience
    Im all for legal imigration, and assimilation is a must. When my family came to the US my grand-parents were not allowed to speak any German at all. And thats the way it was in all German American communities. I live in a state that is vastly of German desent and you cant find someone now a 100 years later that speaks German in family settings. During WW II most Germany Americans fought the against Hitler and the Nazi Party. Some were recent immigrants or first generation. Here in America there are Muslim speakers at College campuses that spread hate messages openly. They recruit members to fight against us even though they were educated from here and had friends and family that live here. One of the 9/11 hijackers was a an alumni of my college. And the problems in France are echoed elsewhere in the E.U. Belguim, Germany, Britain ect all these nations are having trouble with muslim communities so you cant tell me its all because of host nations. There is no way that I a White, male, christian could ever live in Palestine, Turkey, Libia, or any other Muslim country. I would be DOA, I just hate how politically correct we are and how this is not returned to us.
    There are many groups that spread hate speech in America. That's the price of free speech. You said that most German American were against Hitler and the Nazi party. You can say the same about most muslim americans being against al qaeida.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants
    That's just anecdotal evidence. You can find anybody of any race, sex, religion, creed, nationality, etc that said something like that about another place or country
    You aren't seeing people who say this from any other place or religion blowing sh!t up either....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    You aren't seeing people who say this from any other place or religion blowing sh!t up either....
    The Tamil Tigers are doing blowing people up and there secular. The Lord's Resistance Army (fundmentalist christians) are butchering Ugandans up. We're blowing people up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants
    The Tamil Tigers are doing blowing people up and there secular. The Lord's Resistance Army (fundmentalist christians) are butchering Ugandans up. We're blowing people up in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Isolated incidents. Islamic terrorism = Spain, USA, London, New Zealand, Iraq, Ethiopia, Egypt, etc...

    The list goes on and on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    Isolated incidents. Islamic terrorism = Spain, USA, London, New Zealand, Iraq, Ethiopia, Egypt, etc...

    The list goes on and on....
    The number of lives lost by these "isolated incidents" is considerably greater than those killed by islamic terrorism. Spain has had more terrorist attacks by ETA than by islamic terrorism. These isolated incidents have a lot of effect but don't get much notice because there local, unlike al qaieda.

    My main point was that the earlier post was anecdotal. I could say some (fill in the blank) don't want to assimilate in (fill in the location) because they think they're better than the people in (fill in the location).
    Last edited by mcpeepants; 10-26-2006 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants
    The number of lives lost by these "isolated incidents" is considerably greater than those killed by islamic terrorism. Spain has had more terrorist attacks by ETA than by islamic terrorism. These isolated incidents have a lot of effect but don't get much notice because there local, unlike al qaieda.

    My main point was that the earlier post was anecdotal. I could say some (fill in the blank) don't want to assimilate in (fill in the location) because they think they're better than the people in (fill in the location).
    Yea no need to stray from topic. Point taken.

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