Wal-Mart 'dyke' book

[Logan13]

Wal-Mart 'dyke' book gone after WND story
Worldnetdaily
Nov. 17, 2006

'How-to' lesbian manual for teen girls pulled, but retail giant offers only vague explanation

Wal-Mart is refusing to explain why a sexually explicit manual on how to be a lesbian was pulled suddenly from its website just hours after a WND story about the product appeared.

Family organizations in Canada had warned about the book just weeks ago, and while it calls God a "fat black dyke" and provides how-to information for same-sex experimentation, the store described it as the "stuff youth need to know."

It's called "The Little Black Book for Girlz: A Book on Healthy Sexuality" and is produced by St. Stephens' Community House in Toronto, an organization that has fled its Christian foundation.

The book was posted on the site through late yesterday and early today, but suddenly disappeared. WND asked Wal-Mart to explain what had happened to the book listing and why the change was made, and the company provided only a generic response that didn't answer any questions.

"Hi Bob, Here is our response to your question regarding 'The Little Black Book for Girls,'" said the e-mail.

"As an online retailer, we continue to make business decisions every day about our merchandise assortments. In addition to other categories on our site, we continually modify our book selection based on our customers' current interests and preferences.

"Thanks, P.K. Van Deloo, Spokesperson, Walmart.com."

Wal-Mart had been advertising the book as "a great mix of real-life examples and life-saving info," and it includes a section called, "My First Time F---ing a Girl" and other obscenities. It has information on "safe" sex devices and assures its audience that condoms are 100 percent effective in preventing sexually transmitted diseases, even though the World Health Organization, a longtime condom supporter, admits they fail one out of five times.

A WND reader from Kentucky said that was all the information needed.

"Walmart – 'low prices – low values.' That's all I need to know. I'll find somewhere else to shop. They certainly don't need or deserve business from the '10 percent of the population [that is] heterosexual,'" the reader said.

Another said Christians should exercise their moral right to choose where to shop.

"Christian – make a stand and tell Walmart 'NO MORE MONEY FROM US UNTIL YOU CLEAN IT UP,'" wrote Robert Lloyd. "JUST SAY NO MORE – loud and clear – they will get the message."

The alarm about the book initially was raised by Joseph Ben-Ami, the executive director of the Institute for Canadian Values, who told WND this fall that Canadian officials were considering using the book in public schools.

"We have to find a way to stop this from happening," Ben-Ami told WND at the time. "People don't know this is happening."

The graphic manual promotes lesbianism to young girls, gives explicit instructions for engaging in oral or anal sexual acts and instructs girls that only 10 percent of the population is heterosexual.

A report from LifeSiteNews.com said the book also recommends sewing latex squares into their underwear "for added fun."

The online catalog for Wal-Mart, just before the item was removed, listed the book price at $11.58, and it said the manual is "not just a book about sex, but a look at girl culture by teenagers. No stuffy school textbook. No nosy adults. … "

"It's all stuff that youth need to know…The Little Black Book for Girlz is an important, take-anywhere empowerment guide. Girls shouldn't leave their teen years without it."

When WND reported on the issue in September, the full text was available online at St. Stephen's House but it was removed shortly after the WND report surfaced then too.

Ben-Ami called it, "a thinly veiled propaganda piece that undermines healthy parent-child relationships, substitutes voodoo myths for actual science, and provides advice that, if followed, will certainly result in real and serious harm to those who follow it."

It tells girls that most parents are homophobes. "So are children until they get minds of their own," it said.

St. Stephen's declined several opportunities to respond to questions about the book. The center was started by the Anglican Diocese in 1962 and "was" a Christian-based organization until 1974. It now gets government money, almost $8 million this year.

If "you need someone to represent God The Holiness, then for me, it's a fat black dyke" the book tells readers.

"What this statement has to do with healthy emotional and sexual development is beyond us," Ben-Ami said.

His concern is that Canadian authorities now are reviewing the guide for its possible uses. In Canada, which legalized same-sex marriage about a year ago, school curricula that refers to a man-and-woman as a couple has to be dropped.

"'The Little Black Book' is one of the most obscene and irresponsible 'educational' books we have come across," said the Canadian family institute. "Canadians from all walks of life need to take action now to ensure that children are not exposed to its harmful influence."

Reminding readers that it's intended for fairly young girls, the online version honored the 40th anniversary of the Barbie doll with a list of recommendations for the occasion.

Those include "Shave her head and give her a nose ring," "Have Barbie marry another Barbie," "Have her take part in an orgy," and "Give her leather bondage gear, a whip and chains."

It also lists "Fun alternatives to intercourse: Petting, Cyber sex, phone sex, kissing, making out, blowjob" and others.

It also offers tips about having sex that "help you make the jump and land with a smile."

Wal-Mart, which confirmed to WND just this fall that it had joined the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, also has contributed $60,000 to the homosexual activist group called Out & Equal.

But it also is facing protests because of its suddenly pro-homosexual advocacy.

As WND reported in separate stories, several workers have resigned their positions with the company over its stance, and they aren't going away quietly; they are launching protests in front of local stores to alert their friends and neighbors to the company's sexual agenda.

[alphaman]

and scriptfactory says society isn't in moral decline...

[Logan13]

and scriptfactory says society isn't in moral decline...

Everyone seems to have their own idea as to what morality means. Problem is, it is really not open to interpretation, you either have it or you do not.

Alpha,
thanks for PM. I will get info and PM you back this weekend, I appreciate it.

[alphaman]

Everyone seems to have their own idea as to what morality means. Problem is, it is really not open to interpretation, you either have it or you do not.
.

HA! One of the longest -- if not the longest thread in the prw forum was about whether morals were objective or subjective.

[alphaman]

Alpha,
thanks for PM. I will get info and PM you back this weekend, I appreciate it.

No problem.

[Tock]

Wal-Mart had been advertising the book as "a great mix of real-life examples and life-saving info," and it includes a section called, "My First Time F---ing a Girl" and other obscenities.

ya, like there are no other books or magazines that speak of guys f---ing girls, right? And these people have never seen any of those books?

It has information on "safe" sex devices and assures its audience that condoms are 100 percent effective in preventing sexually transmitted diseases, even though the World Health Organization, a longtime condom supporter, admits they fail one out of five times.

Were they speaking of women's condoms, or men's condoms? And did they qualify that statement in the book?

Seems to me that this bizarre source of information, "WorldNet News" usually tweaks the news to suit its own purposes -- I doubt we're getting the entire story here . . .

Ben-Ami called it, "a thinly veiled propaganda piece that . . . substitutes voodoo myths for actual science . . ."

Not unlike the way these idiots substitute "creation science" for real science in schools.

It tells girls that most parents are homophobes."

Well, most parents are homophobic. Some are beyond hope, others can reform, with a little help.

The center was started by the Anglican Diocese in 1962 and "was" a Christian-based organization until 1974.

Ah, so now we get to play the game, "Christian, Christian, who's the Real Christian?" And maybe we can burn the infidels like they used to back in the good ol' days . . .

It now gets government money, almost $8 million this year.

A drop in the bucket, compared to the billions given to Christian organizations (like Catholic Charities, Salvation Army, YMCA, etc etc) each year.

If "you need someone to represent God The Holiness, then for me, it's a fat black dyke" the book tells readers.

So what?
Looks like somebody has a thin skin . . .

"'The Little Black Book' is one of the most obscene and irresponsible 'educational' books we have come across," said the Canadian family institute. "Canadians from all walks of life need to take action now to ensure that children are not exposed to its harmful influence."

Let's have a good old-fashioned book burning!
Truth is, these idiots want to ban Frankenstein, Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs, Harry Potter, and lots of other harmless books.
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedboo...ngedbanned.htm
If these idiots want to get picky about things, well, there's lots of stuff in the Bible that isn't very pretty -- tales about guys pimping their wives, erotic talk about women's bodies, tales of adultery, killing a woman's husband to make her available for sex, all sorts of stuff. It's full of other moral defects, too . . . so these idiots shouldn't be throwing rocks in their glass houses . . .

Wal-Mart, which confirmed to WND just this fall that it had joined the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, also has contributed $60,000 to the homosexual activist group called Out & Equal.

So what? Should Wal-Mart quit giving to all charities? Your right-wing religious church groups would lose out on a lot more $$$ than just $60k they gave to Out & Equal.

As WND reported in separate stories, several workers have resigned their positions with the company over its stance, and they aren't going away quietly; they are launching protests in front of local stores to alert their friends and neighbors to the company's sexual agenda.

I sure haven't seen anyone protesting.
I don't think anyone really cares . . . .

[Logan13]

Fuk Tock, In a bad mood tonight? I obviously did not write this.
Someone has to post this stuff, the NY Times sure as hell will not.

[Tock]

Fuk Tock, In a bad mood tonight? I obviously did not write this.
Someone has to post this stuff, the NY Times sure as hell will not.

It's pure BS, not worth posting here.

JHC, it's like you're trying to turn this forum into a freak show.

Why not just stick to posting worthwhile news stories that actually affect people's lives instead of this National Enquirer grade stuff you've been posting?


Sheesh . . .

[alphaman]

Fuk Tock, In a bad mood tonight? I obviously did not write this.
Someone has to post this stuff, the NY Times sure as hell will not.

Keep pluggin bro.

[alphaman]

ya, like there are no other books or magazines that speak of guys f---ing girls, right? And these people have never seen any of those books?








Were they speaking of women's condoms, or men's condoms? And did they qualify that statement in the book?

Seems to me that this bizarre source of information, "WorldNet News" usually tweaks the news to suit its own purposes -- I doubt we're getting the entire story here . . .











Not unlike the way these idiots substitute "creation science" for real science in schools.








Well, most parents are homophobic. Some are beyond hope, others can reform, with a little help.







Ah, so now we get to play the game, "Christian, Christian, who's the Real Christian?" And maybe we can burn the infidels like they used to back in the good ol' days . . .








A drop in the bucket, compared to the billions given to Christian organizations (like Catholic Charities, Salvation Army, YMCA, etc etc) each year.








So what?
Looks like somebody has a thin skin . . .









Let's have a good old-fashioned book burning!
Truth is, these idiots want to ban Frankenstein, Snow White and the 7 Dwarfs, Harry Potter, and lots of other harmless books.
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedboo...ngedbanned.htm
If these idiots want to get picky about things, well, there's lots of stuff in the Bible that isn't very pretty -- tales about guys pimping their wives, erotic talk about women's bodies, tales of adultery, killing a woman's husband to make her available for sex, all sorts of stuff. It's full of other moral defects, too . . . so these idiots shouldn't be throwing rocks in their glass houses . . .









So what? Should Wal-Mart quit giving to all charities? Your right-wing religious church groups would lose out on a lot more $$$ than just $60k they gave to Out & Equal.







I sure haven't seen anyone protesting.
I don't think anyone really cares . . . .

Hit a soft spot!



First of all, how does Walmart snatching a book off the shelf merit your attack on the Bible?

Second, justt because the Bible records something doesn't mean God commands or condones it..... But if you were going to be a preacher, you already knew that -- just grabbing for anything you can, huh?

[Joey2ness]

Lesbians are at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals. However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals because there are fewer lesbians than gay men.

[Carlos_E]

Lesbians are at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals. However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals because there are fewer lesbians than gay men.

Who told you this? Please provide a reference.

[Tock]

First of all, how does Walmart snatching a book off the shelf merit your attack on the Bible?

If the Bible falls apart under close scrutiny, tough.

Second, justt because the Bible records something doesn't mean God commands or condones it.

Well, the Bible records this:

Exodus 22:18: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

So what should all good Christians do now? Kill all the witches? Or conclude that some parts of the Bible are bogus?

[Tock]

Lesbians are at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals. However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals because there are fewer lesbians than gay men.

This is news to me. Where did you discover this little tid-bit? Or did you just make it up?

[Carlos_E]

This is news to me. Where did you discover this little tid-bit? Or did you just make it up?

I'm assuming he made it up. This is news to me as well.

[Tock]

Fuk Tock, In a bad mood tonight? I obviously did not write this.
Someone has to post this stuff, the NY Times sure as hell will not.

The NY Times won't print this bogus BS because it's bogus BS.

[alphaman]

If the Bible falls apart under close scrutiny, tough.





Well, the Bible records this:

Exodus 22:18: Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
iuy
So what should all good Christians do now? Kill all the witches? Or conclude that some parts of the Bible are bogus?

You know what? We're gonna really examine this. Are you ready?

I'll be back tomorrow night.

[alphaman]

Tock -- do you know the difference between the old covenenant and the new?

[Mike Dura]

In a broad historical peak, t's been in moral decline since day one - nothing new there. Just human nature.

and scriptfactory says society isn't in moral decline...

[Mike Dura]

Yeah, because the NY times is written by educated, mature minds for educated, mature minds.

Fuk Tock, In a bad mood tonight? I obviously did not write this.
Someone has to post this stuff, the NY Times sure as hell will not.

[Mike Dura]

No way dude. Lesbian sex has a much lower risk of std's than heterosexual sex. That's for obvious reasons.

Lesbians are at higher risk for STDs and other health problems than heterosexuals. However, the health consequences of lesbianism are less well documented than for male homosexuals because there are fewer lesbians than gay men.

[Carlos_E]

No way dude. Lesbian sex has a much lower risk of std's than heterosexual sex. That's for obvious reasons.

I'm still waiting to see where he got this info.

[guest589745]

Good, what a worthless book with a shitty purpose. Amazes me what people come up with.

[Mike Dura]

There are plenty of worthless books out there. No need to single this one out.

Good, what a worthless book with a shitty purpose. Amazes me what people come up with.

[guest589745]

There are plenty of worthless books out there. No need to single this one out.

Oh yea I forgot about all the other books that were mentioned in this thread.

[Mike Dura]

Lol! Morality is that black and white huh? Don't confuse simplistic thinking with complex life.

Everyone seems to have their own idea as to what morality means. Problem is, it is really not open to interpretation, you either have it or you do not.

Alpha,
thanks for PM. I will get info and PM you back this weekend, I appreciate it.

[Carlos_E]

Lol! Morality is that black and white huh? Don't confuse simplistic thinking with complex life.

[Logan13]

It's pure BS, not worth posting here.

JHC, it's like you're trying to turn this forum into a freak show.

Why not just stick to posting worthwhile news stories that actually affect people's lives instead of this National Enquirer grade stuff you've been posting?


Sheesh . . .

This is what is going on in the world, tough shit if you do not like it. Perhaps I should get your OK on everything before I post. It is no worse than your daily religious fodder...........

[Logan13]

Yeah, because the NY times is written by educated, mature minds for educated, mature minds.

Sure it is.......for the leftists.

[Logan13]

Lol! Morality is that black and white huh? Don't confuse simplistic thinking with complex life.

How does one confuse simplistic thinking with complex life anyway?

This makes no sense, very revealing that Carlos laughed at it though..........
At least you are down to a single sentence.

[Logan13]

There are plenty of worthless books out there. No need to single this one out.

Seems the bible is singled out plenty in here, tit for tat.

[Tock]

Tock -- do you know the difference between the old covenenant and the new?

Of course.

Not many fundamentalists do, though. Otherwise they wouldn't cite all the anti-gay rules and laws in the Old Testament. And they wouldn't be so excited about the Ten Commandments, either.

Anyway, what's your point?

[perfectbeast2001]

sounds like a good book to me.

[alphaman]

Of course.

Not many fundamentalists do, though. Otherwise they wouldn't cite all the anti-gay rules and laws in the Old Testament. And they wouldn't be so excited about the Ten Commandments, either.

Anyway, what's your point?

WHAT!?

Can you elaborate on this please?

[alphaman]

In a broad historical peak, t's been in moral decline since day one - nothing new there. Just human nature.

Is it just me, or does this statement make absolutely no sense at all?



OK -- "In a broad historical peak," -- the nature of a peak is that it's not broad, "it's been in moral decline since day one - nothing new here." -- so if the correct term here was moral decline, it would mean that morality has diminished over time, thus being in a constant state of change and there would always be a new state of morality in the world, no?



You try too hard to make yourself look smart and it backfires on you sometimes.

[Logan13]

Is it just me, or does this statement make absolutely no sense at all?
OK -- "In a broad historical peak," -- the nature of a peak is that it's not broad, "it's been in moral decline since day one - nothing new here." -- so if the correct term here was moral decline, it would mean that morality has diminished over time, thus being in a constant state of change and there would always be a new state of morality in the world, no?
You try too hard to make yourself look smart and it backfires on you sometimes.

EXACTLY!!

[alphaman]

Lol! Morality is that black and white huh? Don't confuse simplistic thinking with complex life.

Complex life? What do you think makes life complex in regards to morality?

[alphaman]

Sure it is.......for the leftists.

I guess that he didn't catch that you mentioned the NY Times because of that......

[Tock]

WHAT!?

Can you elaborate on this please?

Well, you asked if I knew about the Old vs. the New Covenants . . .

The Old required people to comply with a strict set of rules, required the periodic shedding of animal blood, etc. In the New, the shedding of Jesus' blood is supposedly sufficient sacrifice for people who accept Christ as their saviour, and since salvation is obtained by faith in Jesus' sacrifice, then beleivers are not accountable to all the rules and laws outlined in the Old Testament.

So . . . just as it is inappropriate for believers who consider themselves to be living under the terms of the New Covenant to cite citations from the Old Testament requiring circumcision, or to avoid eating shellfish, or to avoid wearing clothes made of more than one fabric, or to kill witches and homosexuals, it is just as inappropriate to cite Old Testament rules that ban gay sex. After all, a rule is a rule, and,
Romans 1:17 -- For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Hebrews 10:38 -- The just shall live by faith
Galations 3:10-13 ": For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
"11": But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
"12": And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
"13": Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

It should be clear even to the dimmest of theologians that anyone who places their faith in Jesus as their saviour is not going to Hell. It should be abundantly clear, also, that those who live by the old rules of the Old Covenant are, by definition, living by terms of the New Covenant, and unless they keep Kosher and perform all the tasks required by the Old Covenant, are probably going to Hell.


Hence, my comment that people who understood the difference between living under the Old Covenant vs. the New, wouldn't be citing Old Testament verses to support their contention that homosexuality was sinful. In doing so, they assert that the old rules are still valid for other folks, which is what folks under the Old Covenant beleive, which means they themselves are not living under the terms of the New.

[alphaman]

While through God's grace, some OT laws do not apply anymore, this does not wipe out the law completely. In fact, under the New Covenant the law of God is written on our hearts when we put our faith in Him.

Hebrews 8:7-11
7For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. 8But God found fault with the people and said[b]:
"The time is coming, declares the Lord,
when I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.
9It will not be like the covenant
I made with their forefathers
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they did not remain faithful to my covenant,
and I turned away from them, declares the Lord.
10This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel
after that time, declares the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds
and write them on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
11No longer will a man teach his neighbor,
or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,'
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest.
12For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more."[c