Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage

[Logan13]

Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage
ABC
BOSTON, Nov. 22, 2006 — Joe Mroszczyk, president of the College Republicans at Boston University, admits he set out to stir up a hornet's nest when he came up with the idea of offering a whites-only scholarship at the school. But he got a little more buzz than he bargained for.

"To tell you the truth, we didn't see this coming," Mroszczyk said. "The Drudge Report picked it up yesterday, and today I just finished a round of national interviews. It's kind of overwhelming."

All the media attention is focused on a $250 Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship offered by Mroszczyk and the BU chapter of the College Republicans. Applicants must have a cumulative grade point average of 3.2 or higher; they must write two essays; and, here's the kicker, they must be at least one-quarter Caucasian.

The application itself offers an explanation: "We believe that racial preferences in all their forms are perhaps the worst form of bigotry confronting America today."

According to Mroszczyk, his group is offering the scholarship to point out "how ridiculous it is to have any sort of racially based scholarship."

At BU, for example, students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic can apply for a National Hispanic Recognition Scholarship.

"There are plenty of poor, white, academically gifted students who need that money just as much," Mroszczyk said.

It isn't the first time a group of students has tried this kind of stunt.

Two years ago a chapter of the College Republicans at Roger Williams University also offered a $250 whites-only scholarship. That's where the BU students got the idea.

"We are not doing this as some kind of white supremacy thing. I wanted to have a dialogue about racial preference," Mroszczyk said.

It seems as if Mroszczyk has gotten his wish. People from across the country are now weighing in on the idea through e-mail and the radio. And closer to home, some BU students are having their say too.

"It's a poor way to talk about affirmative action," said David Coreas, the 21-year-old senior who is president of the Latino fraternity Phi Iota Alpha at BU. "If they want to have a scholarship, then let them have a scholarship, but they're stirring up controversy in the wrong way."
Coreas said he believes that racially based scholarships are necessary to level a very uneven academic playing field.

"We have to look at the situation honestly," he said. "Caucasians tend to have a higher per capita income than Latinos and other minorities. We have to have scholarships to survive."

Coreas said he would welcome an honest dialogue on campus about race and affirmative action.

Mroszczyk admits even some of his good friends are shaking their heads.

"They said I can't believe you're doing this," he said.

But for all the talk, there are still no takers for the scholarship. The application has been available online since Nov. 7, and so far not one student has filled it out.

That's money wasted, according to David Coreas.

"I wish I could apply: That $250 could help me pay for my textbooks," he said.

Coreas isn't eligible, though.

But for BU students who have a pretty good GPA and can write a couple of essays, there's still time, as long as they're also 25 percent Caucasian. The deadline for applications is Nov. 30.

[BajanBastard]

His intentions don't seem to be an intentionally racist strike back at the black only scholarships so it's not a big deal. Coming too think of it i could qualify for that scholarship.

[Kärnfysikern]

Make universities totaly free to attend and the problem is solved.

[scriptfactory]

Make universities totaly free to attend and the problem is solved.

Exactly.

[Phreak101]

Make universities totaly free to attend and the problem is solved.

Who pays for that?

[Kärnfysikern]

Who pays for that?

taxpayers + industry offcourse. Works perfectly in the nordic countries. I might be wrong but I think its the same in most EU countries aswell.

[SVTMuscle*]

Why is it even a topic for discussion? Black people have their separate scholarships, so why cant white people?

[Phreak101]

taxpayers + industry offcourse. Works perfectly in the nordic countries. I might be wrong but I think its the same in most EU countries aswell.

Taxpayers here already do pay for students to go to universities, but we pay for people who don't deserve it nor want it.

Example - In Illinois, we have the "chance" program. Students are selected from the inner city Chicago (NOT by grades mind you, but by "background") and are sent to universities on the state's bill. I can't count the number of times I've seen these kids pawn off their books for drug money, sleep through class, disrupt classrooms, etc.

I'd rather pay for geniuses to go and take advantage, not so much here...

[Kärnfysikern]

Taxpayers here already do pay for students to go to universities, but we pay for people who don't deserve it nor want it.

Example - In Illinois, we have the "chance" program. Students are selected from the inner city Chicago (NOT by grades mind you, but by "background") and are sent to universities on the state's bill. I can't count the number of times I've seen these kids pawn off their books for drug money, sleep through class, disrupt classrooms, etc.

I'd rather pay for geniuses to go and take advantage, not so much here...

Well offcourse even if the universities are free to attend there are still requirements to get into them. If the universities are free you get away from all that bullshit. Doesnt matter if your black, white, gypsie or micronesian. You only need the grades to attend nothing more, nothing less.

No one can say anything is unfair with such a system and no one is excluded from the privelidge of the best education possible if they realy want it.

[Phreak101]

Well offcourse even if the universities are free to attend there are still requirements to get into them. If the universities are free you get away from all that bullshit. Doesnt matter if your black, white, gypsie or micronesian. You only need the grades to attend nothing more, nothing less.

No one can say anything is unfair with such a system and no one is excluded from the privelidge of the best education possible if they realy want it.

Ahh socialism, it just sounds so good in theory

[hardgainer12]

Why is it even a topic for discussion? Black people have their separate scholarships, so why cant white people?

amen

[Logan13]

Ahh socialism, it just sounds so good in theory

Exactly. This will never become a socialist country. When people do not have to work for it,they do not appreciate it as much. I prefer not to be mediocre, I have what I have today because I have busted my ass over the years. Do they even keep score for sporting events in a socialist country, or is everyone just given a blue ribbon for showing up?

[Logan13]

Why is it even a topic for discussion? Black people have their separate scholarships, so why cant white people?

Caucasion is a race as well, and if everyone else wants to have race-based scholarships I do not see why whites can not as well............

[SVTMuscle*]

Thats what im saying. Those making a big deal out of it are claiming there is, and making the black/white border more distinct.

[Sepsis]

i actually had ...

[eliteforce]

Do you believe in war, bank rolling foreign countries, and free college? then sounds like someone who thinks money grows on trees.

taxpayers + industry offcourse. Works perfectly in the nordic countries. I might be wrong but I think its the same in most EU countries aswell.

[NOREGRETS]

Funny shit. Ppl should know better.

[3Vandoo]

Affirmative action is the worst racism ever, over the majority.

If a student has the talent, to go to university, then he should go on scholarship even if he's marsian, white or asian damn it.

State university reduces standards of application toward black, or others race to get more of them into the system.

then if you ask the majority to have an B+ average, but for the fat black kid you ask him D- because he's black, you are making him a favor?
He wont even graduate

And please dont give me that racial card saying "white earns more, blacks tend to be more poors, undereducated, latino tend to be this and that, bla bla bla " EXCUSES for their pity, excuses for their shame, excuse to be EXCUSED of their own deeds

sheez im fed up

[Kärnfysikern]

Ahh socialism, it just sounds so good in theory

Well it works perfectly in sweden. I have never ever heard anyone make any claim our university system is discriminating or anything like that. So when it comes to universities its not just good in theory.

Dont make the misstake of asuming state funded=state run btw. In sweden a university or highschool can be run by private owners. They get funding for it from the state. They just have to live up to 2 requirements as far as I know. 1/ they have to have a certain standard of the education offcourse, 2/ they must be free to attend.
They are not excluded from getting funding from other places.

I dont even see why it neccesarly has to be a socialist country to offer free universities. Qatar for instance has no taxes and yet free education

Exactly. This will never become a socialist country. When people do not have to work for it,they do not appreciate it as much. I prefer not to be mediocre, I have what I have today because I have busted my ass over the years. Do they even keep score for sporting events in a socialist country, or is everyone just given a blue ribbon for showing up?

Why do you assume people dont have to bust there ass in sweden?
To get into med school and other popular university educations you need perfect high school grades and a perfect score on the entrance examn, even that isnt a guarante if you dont impress on the interview.

Having rich parents should not be a neccesary qualification to get a good education.

I guess you somehow belive students perform better if they have to flip burgers to afford university fees That only leads to students not beeing as focused on education and performing worse.

In what way does free universities mean people have to work less?

Do you believe in war, bank rolling foreign countries, and free college? then sounds like someone who thinks money grows on trees.

What the heck are you talking about?

[SVTMuscle*]

Affirmative action is the worst racism ever, over the majority.

If a student has the talent, to go to university, then he should go on scholarship even if he's marsian, white or asian damn it.

State university reduces standards of application toward black, or others race to get more of them into the system.

then if you ask the majority to have an B+ average, but for the fat black kid you ask him D- because he's black, you are making him a favor?
He wont even graduate

And please dont give me that racial card saying "white earns more, blacks tend to be more poors, undereducated, latino tend to be this and that, bla bla bla " EXCUSES for their pity, excuses for their shame, excuse to be EXCUSED of their own deeds

sheez im fed up

Great post. I go to a state university, and this year, the black student body for freshman has increased by somewhere around 20%. So the freshman class has about 30% blacks, sophmores about 15%, juniors, 10%, and graduating, maybe 10%... funny how it works that way. I dont think there is a single class I have that there is a black kid in. And there are 9,000 kids at my school. So apparently affirmative action only works to get them into college, but after that, they are on their own.

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[Logan13]

Great post. I go to a state university, and this year, the black student body for freshman has increased by somewhere around 20%. So the freshman class has about 30% blacks, sophmores about 15%, juniors, 10%, and graduating, maybe 10%... funny how it works that way. I dont think there is a single class I have that there is a black kid in. And there are 9,000 kids at my school. So apparently affirmative action only works to get them into college, but after that, they are on their own.

Perhaps we should take affirmative action one step further and just give minorities diplomas, and just skip the whole higher education thing. BTW, nice post Vandoo.

[BgMc31]

Affirmative action is the worst racism ever, over the majority.

If a student has the talent, to go to university, then he should go on scholarship even if he's marsian, white or asian damn it.

State university reduces standards of application toward black, or others race to get more of them into the system.

then if you ask the majority to have an B+ average, but for the fat black kid you ask him D- because he's black, you are making him a favor?
He wont even graduate

And please dont give me that racial card saying "white earns more, blacks tend to be more poors, undereducated, latino tend to be this and that, bla bla bla " EXCUSES for their pity, excuses for their shame, excuse to be EXCUSED of their own deeds

sheez im fed up

Where do you bigots come up with these crappy theories. Affirmative action doesn't give scholarships to fat black kids with D- averages. Why does the kid have to be fat, anyway? But I digress. The purporse of affirmative action is give the minority (black, latino, asian, etc.) a scholarship, aide, or admission when grades and scholastic performance is equal to those of whites. By this I mean if a white student has a B average and a Mexican student has the same, chances are the Mexican would get the nod. Is it right, maybe, maybe not. Affirmative action programs were put into place because whites had a tendency to not accept minorities simply because they were minorities without even considering acedemic acheivement. So you have no one to blame but yourselves for affirmative action. I agree with what someone said earlier, make it free for everyone and all this would end.

Academic standards are relaxed by universities not to give minorities a leg up, but simply so the universities could get more federal dollars for having higher minority enrollment. Plus the educational standards in lower income areas around the country are much lower than those of higher income areas. Why, because students in these areas (inner cities, rural areas, reservations, etc.) have to deal with a lot more (particularly surviving) than those in middle-income, upper-income areas. So before you spout off ignorant (misinformed, uninformed) racist, rhetoric, please do some research.

Lastly, if you crunch the numbers, minority acceptance into major universities doesn't 'take away' from a 'deserving' white kid. When I went to college (91-95), I went to a major D1 college and less than 3% of the student population was Black. And 99% of those blacks were on athletic scholarship (myself included). And that's what major programs across the country are like. So I guess it's ok to throw 70 coons a bone every now and then in exchange for millions of dollars of revenue they produce for the universities. As long as they don't ask for anything else in return. It's all about money, not race!!!

Like Chris Rock says, "Why are white people complaining about affirmative action? What do y'all have to complain about... YOU'RE WHITE!!!" And you still get preferential treatment in most cases!

FLAME AWAY!!!!!

[BgMc31]

One more thing. Most minority scholarships and aide are the only means in which minorities can attend college. But there are scholarship programs for whites only as well. The Knights of Columbus gives outs scholarships every year to Italian-Americans. The Daughters of the Confederacy gives out scholarships to women who can prove descent of a confederate soldier and/or officer. There are Greek American scholarship programs. Polish-American scholarships. Hell, I threw in a Highlands game a couple years ago the the Celtic society was giving away scholarships to people of Irish and Scottish descent. So stop your whining... again... You're White!!!!!

[BajanBastard]

Thanks for your input on the issue BgMc31.

[SVTMuscle*]

BgMc you make some points, but statistics dont lie, why do black people have a higher drop out rate in colleges? also if they had the average scores of white kids, they wouldnt need affimative action right?

[BajanBastard]

BgMc you make some points, but statistics dont lie, why do black people have a higher drop out rate in colleges? also if they had the average scores of white kids, they wouldnt need affimative action right?

because students in these areas (inner cities, rural areas, reservations, etc.) have to deal with a lot more (particularly surviving) than those in middle-income, upper-income areas.

I think this may be a factor, or maybe the white man is just smarter

[thebritskie]

Why is it even a topic for discussion? Black people have their separate scholarships, so why cant white people?

I agree. I am black, and I don't have a problem with this. It's the same as having an African American scholarship or a Russian-American scholarship. Someone is obviously just trying to make a point and I think it's a waste of time. But I don't think there's anything wrong with having a scholarship open to only white people (sorry... I mean at least 25% white).

[Logan13]

Where do you bigots come up with these crappy theories. Affirmative action doesn't give scholarships to fat black kids with D- averages. Why does the kid have to be fat, anyway? But I digress. The purporse of affirmative action is give the minority (black, latino, asian, etc.) a scholarship, aide, or admission when grades and scholastic performance is equal to those of whites. By this I mean if a white student has a B average and a Mexican student has the same, chances are the Mexican would get the nod. Is it right, maybe, maybe not. Affirmative action programs were put into place because whites had a tendency to not accept minorities simply because they were minorities without even considering acedemic acheivement. So you have no one to blame but yourselves for affirmative action. I agree with what someone said earlier, make it free for everyone and all this would end.

Academic standards are relaxed by universities not to give minorities a leg up, but simply so the universities could get more federal dollars for having higher minority enrollment. Plus the educational standards in lower income areas around the country are much lower than those of higher income areas. Why, because students in these areas (inner cities, rural areas, reservations, etc.) have to deal with a lot more (particularly surviving) than those in middle-income, upper-income areas. So before you spout off ignorant (misinformed, uninformed) racist, rhetoric, please do some research.

Lastly, if you crunch the numbers, minority acceptance into major universities doesn't 'take away' from a 'deserving' white kid. When I went to college (91-95), I went to a major D1 college and less than 3% of the student population was Black. And 99% of those blacks were on athletic scholarship (myself included). And that's what major programs across the country are like. So I guess it's ok to throw 70 coons a bone every now and then in exchange for millions of dollars of revenue they produce for the universities. As long as they don't ask for anything else in return. It's all about money, not race!!!

Like Chris Rock says, "Why are white people complaining about affirmative action? What do y'all have to complain about... YOU'RE WHITE!!!" And you still get preferential treatment in most cases!

FLAME AWAY!!!!!

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Bakke case from 1978 before throwing your bigot remarks around. Perfect example of the reverse discrimination that still persists today. I find it amazing that 2 other minority groups who also experienced terrible adversity and racism-Jews and Asians, have managed to make the American way work for them without government handouts? Perhaps it is the black culture that is holding them back, and not us "bigoted folk".

[BgMc31]

Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the Bakke case from 1978 before throwing your bigot remarks around. Perfect example of the reverse discrimination that still persists today. I find it amazing that 2 other minority groups who also experienced terrible adversity and racism-Jews and Asians, have managed to make the American way work for them without government handouts? Perhaps it is the black culture that is holding them back, and not us "bigoted folk".

First, why point out blacks being the culprit for this. And secondly I'm very familiar with the Bakke case:

In the mid 1970's Allan Bakke, a white graduate student, protested his inability to enter medical school at the University of California at Davis. He arugued that affirmative action programs prevented him from entering and were denying him his rights under the 13th and 14th amendments of the Constitution. It was during the 1970's that there were protests of "reverse discrimination" or giving of preference to minorities over "whites" in many facets of life. The court case reached the Supreme Court and was settled by a split 5-4 decison in favor of Bakke. The court said racial quaotas must be eliminated but as Supreme court Justice Lewis Powell commented the " ..race can be a factor but only one of many to achieve a balance." In other words race could not be a decisive factor in admitting or excluding applicants. Affirmative action policies continued but was further defined.

All it says that race shouldn't be the only factor in admissions. I don't understand what you think I don't understand. Whites still brought this on themselves. Don't blame minorities for affirmative action.

Lastly, Jews are white, no matter how you spin it, the only way to tell if a Jew is a Jew is if you ask them. Why did you not mention Hispanics or Polynesians, or Native Americans, all historically score lower than blacks. There are many factors as to why these ethnicities and others have higher drop out rates than whites. Asians tend to be from higher economic groups than other minorities. As I said before it's a money issue. The black culture doesn't hold back achievement, that's just absurb. Maybe your white culture causes you to bitch and complain about minorities even though whites continue to dominate all social aspects of culture. Sound absurb?

[Logan13]

First, why point out blacks being the culprit for this. And secondly I'm very familiar with the Bakke case:

All it says that race shouldn't be the only factor in admissions. I don't understand what you think I don't understand. Whites still brought this on themselves. Don't blame minorities for affirmative action.

Lastly, Jews are white, no matter how you spin it, the only way to tell if a Jew is a Jew is if you ask them. Why did you not mention Hispanics or Polynesians, or Native Americans, all historically score lower than blacks. There are many factors as to why these ethnicities and others have higher drop out rates than whites. Asians tend to be from higher economic groups than other minorities. As I said before it's a money issue. The black culture doesn't hold back achievement, that's just absurb. Maybe your white culture causes you to bitch and complain about minorities even though whites continue to dominate all social aspects of culture. Sound absurb?

I do not believe that minorities are doing enough for themselves. They have decided to blame others rather than take the blame for what their own culture has churned out. To say that whites dominate "all social aspects of culture" is naive, look around you. Hispanics(36K) have a higher family median income than blacks(30K), and this is not because they frequent higher education facilities more than blacks. So why do you think this is? The blacks in Africa, who have not gone through as much as you have , must be swimming in their riches.......
Whites are not the one's whining.............

[BgMc31]

According to a study conducted by the Univ. of Maryland, blacks and hispanics have about an equal medium household income.

Whites aren't whining... isn't the topic of this thread because white people where whining that minorities were getting scholarships and college acceptance based on their race so why shouldn't they? Isn't it white people the ones whining about affirmative action?

Lastly you mentality is typical of many whites. There is major differences between African blacks and American blacks. Just like there is a difference between a Cuban and a Mexican. Typical bigotted thought, lump them all together. But of course you would never consider a Jew, white?

[Logan13]

According to a study conducted by the Univ. of Maryland, blacks and hispanics have about an equal medium household income.
2005 US Census:Black households had the lowest median income in 2005 ($30,858) among race groups. Asian households had the highest median income ($61,094). The median income for non-Hispanic white households was $50,784. Median income for Hispanic households was $35,967.
The three-year-average (2003 to 2005) real median income for American Indian and Alaska Native households was $33,627. The three-year-average median income for Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islander households was $54,318. http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/...th/007419.html

Whites aren't whining... isn't the topic of this thread because white people where whining that minorities were getting scholarships and college acceptance based on their race so why shouldn't they? Isn't it white people the ones whining about affirmative action? Whites are tired of minorities not pulling their weight and complaining that this is because of the whites.....

Lastly you mentality is typical of many whites. There is major differences between African blacks and American blacks. African blacks are worse off than American blacks, but they sure aren't bitching...... Just like there is a difference between a Cuban and a Mexican. Typical bigotted thought, lump them all together. But of course you would never consider a Jew, white?

Perhaps if you would have taken advantage of affirmitive action, your grammer would be better in the above bold.......
BTW, a bigot is merely a Conservative winning an arguement with a Liberal.

[Logan13]

[QUOTE=BgMc31]
I do wish everyone the best, I hope that we all can achieve our individual goals. I just do not think that someone can achieve these goals without the understanding that it is all up to the individual as to whether or not he/she succeeds. To simply point an accusing finger negates this fact and makes the person overly reliant on hand-outs, which will never get you where you want to be.
-Logan13

[BgMc31]

Perhaps if you would have taken advantage of affirmitive action, your grammer would be better in the above bold.......
BTW, a bigot is merely a Conservative winning an arguement with a Liberal.

Signs of someone losing an argument... resort to insults!! Typical.

And another correction, a bigot is someone who puts down another race or ethnicity because of his or her own insecurity. Although you bring up many viable points Logan, whenever someone challenges you, you have a tendency to digress to lame insults. I, too wish you well. Discussing racial issues with a bigot is like discussing the existance of a higher power with a preacher. No matter what you tell them you cannot change their minds.

I hope one day people like Logan and other angry, privledged whites realize that there are hardworking minorities (blacks and latinos included) that have achieved their place in society without the need of these so-called handouts. I hope you all realize one day that the majority of blacks and other minorities live in middle class neighborhoods and are viable members of society. Common sense would lead one to believe that if every minority could get into college without good grades because of these handouts then at least every freshman class in college would be overwhelmed with minority students, but again all studies indicate that minority enrollment in colleges is only 5-12% of the total number of enrollments at major universitites. And if minorities could get jobs without having experience and education then unemployment for minorities would be much less than the average, but of course we know that is not true. But if you listen to bigots across the board, the reason is minorities (black in particular) just don't like to work. Very sad indeed.

I love a good debate! Take care! Happy HOlidays!!!!

[RA]

Whites Only Scholarship Creates Outrage
ABC
BOSTON, Nov. 22, 2006 — Joe Mroszczyk, president of the College Republicans at Boston University, admits he set out to stir up a hornet's nest when he came up with the idea of offering a whites-only scholarship at the school. But he got a little more buzz than he bargained for.

"To tell you the truth, we didn't see this coming," Mroszczyk said. "The Drudge Report picked it up yesterday, and today I just finished a round of national interviews. It's kind of overwhelming."

All the media attention is focused on a $250 Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship offered by Mroszczyk and the BU chapter of the College Republicans. Applicants must have a cumulative grade point average of 3.2 or higher; they must write two essays; and, here's the kicker, they must be at least one-quarter Caucasian.

The application itself offers an explanation: "We believe that racial preferences in all their forms are perhaps the worst form of bigotry confronting America today."

According to Mroszczyk, his group is offering the scholarship to point out "how ridiculous it is to have any sort of racially based scholarship."

At BU, for example, students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic can apply for a National Hispanic Recognition Scholarship.

"There are plenty of poor, white, academically gifted students who need that money just as much," Mroszczyk said.

It isn't the first time a group of students has tried this kind of stunt.

Two years ago a chapter of the College Republicans at Roger Williams University also offered a $250 whites-only scholarship. That's where the BU students got the idea.

"We are not doing this as some kind of white supremacy thing. I wanted to have a dialogue about racial preference," Mroszczyk said.

It seems as if Mroszczyk has gotten his wish. People from across the country are now weighing in on the idea through e-mail and the radio. And closer to home, some BU students are having their say too.

"It's a poor way to talk about affirmative action," said David Coreas, the 21-year-old senior who is president of the Latino fraternity Phi Iota Alpha at BU. "If they want to have a scholarship, then let them have a scholarship, but they're stirring up controversy in the wrong way."
Coreas said he believes that racially based scholarships are necessary to level a very uneven academic playing field.

"We have to look at the situation honestly," he said. "Caucasians tend to have a higher per capita income than Latinos and other minorities. We have to have scholarships to survive."

Coreas said he would welcome an honest dialogue on campus about race and affirmative action.

Mroszczyk admits even some of his good friends are shaking their heads.

"They said I can't believe you're doing this," he said.

But for all the talk, there are still no takers for the scholarship. The application has been available online since Nov. 7, and so far not one student has filled it out.

That's money wasted, according to David Coreas.

"I wish I could apply: That $250 could help me pay for my textbooks," he said.

Coreas isn't eligible, though.

But for BU students who have a pretty good GPA and can write a couple of essays, there's still time, as long as they're also 25 percent Caucasian. The deadline for applications is Nov. 30.

I dont see the problem but of course theres going to be people bitching about it

[Phreak101]

Well it works perfectly in sweden. I have never ever heard anyone make any claim our university system is discriminating or anything like that. So when it comes to universities its not just good in theory.

Dont make the misstake of asuming state funded=state run btw. In sweden a university or highschool can be run by private owners. They get funding for it from the state. They just have to live up to 2 requirements as far as I know. 1/ they have to have a certain standard of the education offcourse, 2/ they must be free to attend.
They are not excluded from getting funding from other places.

I dont even see why it neccesarly has to be a socialist country to offer free universities. Qatar for instance has no taxes and yet free education

I will admit I am impressed with the way things seem be run in your country Johan, with the exception of the employment rate. I just wonder sometimes if the population of the US is capable of sustaining itself through such a system. Capitalism instills the wants which drive the work ethic which earns the money which satisfies the want. Keeps the masses happy.

[Phreak101]

All it says that race shouldn't be the only factor in admissions. I don't understand what you think I don't understand. Whites still brought this on themselves. Don't blame minorities for affirmative action.

This is a tired argument. Most whites I've met that are racist are that way because they found solace in it with other whites. They were so fed up of being made to feel responsible for everyone's problems that the only relief they got was from spouting racial jokes and slurs to people with their same plight. Boo hoo, yes, they are still white, I agree. Point is, we get it, we fvcked up. How does pointing the finger at us solve anything? Affirmative action is unfair. In jobs where there are time demands to fill the position, it irks me to think that someone may just need to "fill the quota" on a job that is of some importance to MY saftey. Situations like that require the best man for the job, why add one more factor to the decicion making process??

Lastly, Jews are white, no matter how you spin it, the only way to tell if a Jew is a Jew is if you ask them. Why did you not mention Hispanics or Polynesians, or Native Americans, all historically score lower than blacks. There are many factors as to why these ethnicities and others have higher drop out rates than whites. Asians tend to be from higher economic groups than other minorities. As I said before it's a money issue. The black culture doesn't hold back achievement, that's just absurb. Maybe your white culture causes you to bitch and complain about minorities even though whites continue to dominate all social aspects of culture. Sound absurb?

Jews are white?? Last I heard Hitler killed 6,000,000 of them for NOT being white. Your argument sounded very plausible until you brought that into the mix. And Asians come from higher economic groups?? South Central Los Angeles has a decently sized Asian population intermixed with the predominately black population. Walk down the street and you'll see plenty of black youth. Walk into the schools and libraries and you'll see plenty of Asian youth. That is how Asians now have a "higher economical background". They don't feel sorry for themselves and they don't keep holding their hands out to whomever they blame for their situation. They WORK. They PROSPER. They PASS IT ON. Very good example for their neighbors if you ask me.

This turned into a racial battle pretty quickly, makes me wonder about the general sentiment of America

[RA]

Make universities totaly free to attend and the problem is solved.

God I hope not

[SVTMuscle*]

God I hope not

x2



Johan, you usally impress me, but that statement was kinda surprising coming from you