Ahmadinejad Predicts Collapse of Israel, U.S., U.K.

[Logan13]

Ahmadinejad Predicts Collapse of Israel, U.S., U.K.

Nov. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted the collapse of Israel, the U.S. and Britain, attacking what he called their ``oppressive behavior.''

``The Zionist regime is on a steep downhill towards collapse and disgrace,'' Ahmandinejad told supporters at a rally of Basiji militia forces near Tehran today. In a reference to the U.S. and U.K., he said ``the collapse and crumbling of your devilish rule has started.'' The speech was carried live on state television.

Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad drew international condemnation after saying in October 2005 that Israel should be ``wiped off the map.'' The U.S. and Iran have had no diplomatic ties since 1980 following the seizure of diplomats at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

The U.K., which has an embassy in Tehran, is among the three European countries pushing for sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

The Iranian president also called on neighboring countries to drive out ``foreign occupiers,'' in a reference to U.S.-led forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

``The people of the region are well able to establish regional security,'' the president said in the speech near the shrine of the Islamic Republic founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. ``The presence of foreigners is the source of discord and conflict.''

Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, whose visit to Tehran yesterday was postponed because of the curfew imposed on Baghdad since Nov. 23, will fly to the Iranian capital tomorrow, state television reported separately today.

The Iraqi president's trip to Iran is aimed at ``expanding bilateral ties in business, trade and transport affairs,'' the report said. Iraq security will not be the main issue discussed in this meeting, the Iranian Foreign Ministry's press office said on Nov. 21.

[RA]

Yeah, good luck with that. nutjob

[J.S.N.]

whoa what acuity he predicted the collapse of the UK like 50 years after it happened.

[Yesevil]

oh crap, I better cash in my bonds before their worthless!!

[soccer#3]

funny guy

[singern]

If anyone has his phone number I could use some lotto numbers...

[Red Ketchup]

I don't even know why anyone would print garbage like that...

Everyone knows it's nothing more than ridiculous dick waving, and that Ahmadinejad is completely insane... he just feeds his radicals the crap they like to eat up.

Red

[Logan13]

I don't even know why anyone would print garbage like that...

Everyone knows it's nothing more than ridiculous dick waving, and that Ahmadinejad is completely insane... he just feeds his radicals the crap they like to eat up.

Red

As I am told in here, just because Ahmadinejad says it doesn't mean Iran says it....

[3Vandoo]

Iranian nutjob barks BS = Dumbasses get scares = inflation of oil price = more dolla for Iran = more dollar for nutjob!

[dameter21]

I think he could use an M16 up his ass. maybe he'd have a different point of view. i'd love to get one shot at him..

[BajanBastard]

Ahmadinejad Predicts Collapse of Israel, U.S., U.K.

Nov. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad predicted the collapse of Israel, the U.S. and Britain, attacking what he called their ``oppressive behavior.''

``The Zionist regime is on a steep downhill towards collapse and disgrace,'' Ahmandinejad told supporters at a rally of Basiji militia forces near Tehran today. In a reference to the U.S. and U.K., he said ``the collapse and crumbling of your devilish rule has started.'' The speech was carried live on state television.

Iran doesn't recognize Israel, and Ahmadinejad drew international condemnation after saying in October 2005 that Israel should be ``wiped off the map.'' The U.S. and Iran have had no diplomatic ties since 1980 following the seizure of diplomats at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

The U.K., which has an embassy in Tehran, is among the three European countries pushing for sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.

The Iranian president also called on neighboring countries to drive out ``foreign occupiers,'' in a reference to U.S.-led forces in Iraq and Afghanistan.

``The people of the region are well able to establish regional security,'' the president said in the speech near the shrine of the Islamic Republic founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. ``The presence of foreigners is the source of discord and conflict.''
Iraqi President Jalal Talabani, whose visit to Tehran yesterday was postponed because of the curfew imposed on Baghdad since Nov. 23, will fly to the Iranian capital tomorrow, state television reported separately today.

The Iraqi president's trip to Iran is aimed at ``expanding bilateral ties in business, trade and transport affairs,'' the report said. Iraq security will not be the main issue discussed in this meeting, the Iranian Foreign Ministry's press office said on Nov. 21.

Yeah the M.E has always been a place of peace and brotherly love before the foreigners arrived.

[J.S.N.]

I think he could use an M16 up his ass. maybe he'd have a different point of view. i'd love to get one shot at him..

why? he hasn't harmed anyone. there's a big difference between rhetoric and actually causing slaughter like darth cheney.

[biglouie250]

why? he hasn't harmed anyone. there's a big difference between rhetoric and actually causing slaughter like darth cheney.

yea adolf's rants didnt stir the pot in germany..........

[Logan13]

Originally Posted by J.S.N.
why? he hasn't harmed anyone. there's a big difference between rhetoric and actually causing slaughter like darth cheney.

The inability to see the big picture by some in this forum always amazes me. It must suck to be so bitter..........

[singern]

why? he hasn't harmed anyone. there's a big difference between rhetoric and actually causing slaughter like darth cheney.

Actually that's entirely inaccurate.
Aside from the feverish frenzy his speeches do to Arabs and Muslims against western civilization (which sounds allot like Hitler to me), Ahmenajad is a coward who kills through proxy, His support and instruction to International terror groups, like Hezbolah and Islamic Jihad are evident of that. Training and finance for insurgent terrorists in Iraq sent to kill Sunni Muslims, and ensure civil unrest (and make sure the US fails to breed freedom and democracy). But that is the fuel of another threat.

[CSAR]

I thought Muslims weren't violent!

[3Vandoo]

I thought Muslims weren't violent!

they are not

[alphaman]

I bet it's probably just another mistranslation.

[J.S.N.]

Actually that's entirely inaccurate.
Aside from the feverish frenzy his speeches do to Arabs and Muslims against western civilization (which sounds allot like Hitler to me), Ahmenajad is a coward who kills through proxy, His support and instruction to International terror groups, like Hezbolah and Islamic Jihad are evident of that. Training and finance for insurgent terrorists in Iraq sent to kill Sunni Muslims, and ensure civil unrest (and make sure the US fails to breed freedom and democracy). But that is the fuel of another threat.

plz provide sources and keep in mind that dubya is personally responsible for over 500,000 deaths.

[Bigen12]

plz provide sources

http://www.meforum.org/article/619

Iran
Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2003. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security were involved in the planning of and support for terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals.

Iran's record against al-Qaida remains mixed. After the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, some al-Qaida members fled to Iran where they have found virtual safehaven. Iranian officials have acknowledged that Tehran detained al-Qaida operatives during 2003, including senior members. Iran's publicized presentation of a list to the United Nations of deportees, however, was accompanied by a refusal to publicly identify senior members in Iranian custody on the grounds of "security." Iran has resisted calls to transfer custody of its al-Qaida detainees to their countries of origin or third countries for further interrogation and trial.

During 2003, Iran maintained a high-profile role in encouraging anti-Israeli activity, both rhetorically and operationally. Supreme Leader Khamenei praised Palestinian resistance operations, and President Khatami reiterated Iran's support for the "wronged people of Palestine" and their struggles. Matching this rhetoric with action, Iran provided Lebanese Hizballah and Palestinian rejectionist groups—notably HAMAS, the Palestine Islamic Jihad (PIJ), and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine–General Command (PFLP-GC)—with funding, safe haven, training, and weapons. Iran hosted a conference in August 2003 on the Palestinian intifadah, at which an Iranian official suggested that the continued success of the Palestinian resistance depended on suicide operations.

Iran pursued a variety of policies in Iraq aimed at securing Tehran's perceived interests there, some of which ran counter to those of the Coalition. Iran has indicated support for the Iraqi Governing Council and promised to help Iraqi reconstruction.

Shortly after the fall of Saddam Hussein, individuals with ties to the Revolutionary Guard may have attempted to infiltrate southern Iraq, and elements of the Iranian Government have helped members of Ansar al-Islam transit and find safe haven in Iran. In a Friday Prayers sermon in Tehran in May, Guardian Council member Ayatollah Ahmad Jannati publicly encouraged Iraqis to follow the Palestinian model and participate in suicide operations against Coalition forces.

http://www.state.gov/t/vci/rls/rm/24494.htm

Finally, the U.S. Government insists that Iran cease its current policy of providing a safe-haven to al-Qaida and Ansar al-Islam operatives and cooperate with international efforts to bring them to justice. The United States has been concerned for some time about the presence in Iran of al-Qaida members, including senior al-Qaida leaders. We believe that some elements within the Iranian regime have helped al-Qaida terrorists transit or find safe-haven inside Iran. Moreover, we believe senior al-Qaida terrorists inside Iran played a part in the planning of the May 12 Riyadh bombings.

We call on Iran to abide by the requirements of UN Security Council Resolution 1373 to deny safe-haven to those who plan, support, or commit terrorist acts and to affirmatively take steps to prevent the commission of terrorist acts by providing early warning to other states by exchange of information. Furthermore, we call on Iran to turn over any al-Qaida to the U.S. or to third countries for interrogation.

Iran has made public statements about its willingness to turn over to third countries the al-Qaida terrorists. Despite its alleged willingness, the regime has not taken any action in this regard.

[singern]

plz provide sources and keep in mind that dubya is personally responsible for over 500,000 deaths.

Please, You need sources on the actions of Iran, Where have you been for the last 25 years?
If you refuse to believe the proof of involvement in international terror, how about the Iran Iraq war.

Documented by several humanitarian groups, and the UN.
Iran was using children to clear minefields by having them run or bicycle through the fields. Iran also sent massive military divisions of child solders (under the age of 15) used by Iran as a popular tool to deplete Iraqi bullets. You will find a number much higher than 500,000.

[RA]

plz provide sources and keep in mind that dubya is personally responsible for over 500,000 deaths.

Sadaam is. Remember the UN resolutions?

[Logan13]

Please, You need sources on the actions of Iran, Where have you been for the last 25 years?
If you refuse to believe the proof of involvement in international terror, how about the Iran Iraq war.

Documented by several humanitarian groups, and the UN.
Iran was using children to clear minefields by having them run or bicycle through the fields. Iran also sent massive military divisions of child solders (under the age of 15) used by Iran as a popular tool to deplete Iraqi bullets. You will find a number much higher than 500,000.

Oh yes, in JSN's eyes, everyone besides the US is the good guy........

[J.S.N.]

first off, that docu is laughable because it come from state.gov. the US government claimed iraq had dubyaMD's a few years ago as well. alsoit's laughable because it claims a link between iran and al-qaeda (another thing bush claimed).

singern- the iran-iraq war ended 18 years ago and was responsible for many less deaths on both sides than the vietnamese war, and the current iraq war is coming close. besides, it was iraq that attacked iran. i'm not saying iran is a great place and ahmadinejad is obviously a hate-spewing windbag, but basically all he's doing is that, spewing wind.

[Bigen12]

first off, that docu is laughable because it come from state.gov. the US government claimed iraq had dubyaMD's a few years ago as well. alsoit's laughable because it claims a link between iran and al-qaeda (another thing bush claimed).

I knew you were not going to trust my link, however you asked for a source, and now you have two.

By the way there are two source, seeing as you only disbute the source from the state.gov, you must hold the first, from www.meforum.org, to be the truth..............

[Logan13]

first off, that docu is laughable because it come from state.gov. the US government claimed iraq had dubyaMD's a few years ago as well. alsoit's laughable because it claims a link between iran and al-qaeda (another thing bush claimed).

singern- the iran-iraq war ended 18 years ago and was responsible for many less deaths on both sides than the vietnamese war, and the current iraq war is coming close. besides, it was iraq that attacked iran. i'm not saying iran is a great place and ahmadinejad is obviously a hate-spewing windbag, but basically all he's doing is that, spewing wind.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but if you cannot see what Iran is doing in the world than you are either uninformed or simply dumb. To believe Iran over your own country and the rest of the world is just asinine. You are simply too far gone to be helped...........

[J.S.N.]

I knew you were not going to trust my link, however you asked for a source, and now you have two.

By the way there are two source, seeing as you only disbute the source from the state.gov, you must hold the first, from www.meforum.org, to be the truth..............

it simply makes a claim, without much in the way of examples. for instance, it claims that iran served at one point as a safe haven for al-qaeda members. on the other hand, don't you remember a few years ago when the state arrested a bunch of them? then it talks about lending support to palestine i don't consider that to be so incredibly bad considering the continued and internationally illegal israeli occupation of places like gaza. i'm not condoning terrorism, just equating it or even thinking of it as a lesser evil than the bombings done by the israeli military. let's not forget that the recent war between israel and hezbollah (and hamas) started over an a**uction and attempted troop exchange, which is something that has gone on for quite some time. why this one time would they not exchange troops and instead bomb most of lebanon (including the non-hezbollah areas) into rubble? now we as american taxpayers will almost assuredly have to pay for the rebuilding (haliburton?).

[mcpeepants]

I knew you were not going to trust my link, however you asked for a source, and now you have two.

By the way there are two source, seeing as you only disbute the source from the state.gov, you must hold the first, from www.meforum.org, to be the truth..............

The Middle East Forum, a think tank, seeks to define and promote American interests in the Middle East. It defines U.S. interests to include fighting radical Islam, whether terroristic or lawful; working for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; improving the management of U.S. democracy efforts; reducing energy dependence on the Middle East; more robustly asserting U.S. interests vis-à-vis Saudi Arabia; and countering the Iranian threat. The Forum also works to improve Middle East studies in North America.

This is right of the front page of there website. That sounds like an agenda to me.

[RA]

The Middle East Forum, a think tank, seeks to define and promote American interests in the Middle East. It defines U.S. interests to include fighting radical Islam, whether terroristic or lawful; working for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; improving the management of U.S. democracy efforts; reducing energy dependence on the Middle East; more robustly asserting U.S. interests vis-à-vis Saudi Arabia; and countering the Iranian threat. The Forum also works to improve Middle East studies in North America.

This is right of the front page of there website. That sounds like an agenda to me.

Wow, sounds like a great site

[Bigen12]

it simply makes a claim, without much in the way of examples. for instance, it claims that iran served at one point as a safe haven for al-qaeda members. on the other hand, don't you remember a few years ago when the state arrested a bunch of them?

Yeah, as I remember they wouldn’t name who they had caught, and then talked about a trial, but I don’t remember anything ever happening after that…

then it talks about lending support to palestine i don't consider that to be so incredibly bad considering the continued and internationally illegal israeli occupation of places like gaza.

I’m sorry bro, but when a person straps a bomb to themselves to deliberately blow up women and children, I have a serious problem with that.

[Bigen12]

The Middle East Forum, a think tank, seeks to define and promote American interests in the Middle East. It defines U.S. interests to include fighting radical Islam, whether terroristic or lawful; working for Palestinian acceptance of Israel; improving the management of U.S. democracy efforts; reducing energy dependence on the Middle East; more robustly asserting U.S. interests vis-à-vis Saudi Arabia; and countering the Iranian threat. The Forum also works to improve Middle East studies in North America.

This is right of the front page of there website. That sounds like an agenda to me.

How about the 911 report?

Iran in the 9-11 Commission Report:

Page 50-51 Bin Ladin seemed willing to include in the confederation terrorists from almost every corner of the Muslim world. His vision mirrored that of Sudan’s Islamist leader, Turabi, who convened a series of meetings under the label Popular Arab and Islamic Conference around the time of Bin Ladin’s arrival in that country. Delegations of violent Islamist extremists came from all the groups represented in Bin Ladin’s Islamic Army Shura. Representatives also came from organizations such as the Palestine Liberation Organization, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
Turabi sought to persuade Shiites and Sunnis to put aside their divisions and join against the common enemy. In late 1991 or 1992, discussions in Sudan between al Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support—even if only training—for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives. In the fall of 1993, another such delegation went to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon for further training in explosives as well as in intelligence and security. Bin Ladin reportedly showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs such as the one that had killed 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983. The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations. As will be described in chapter 7, al Qaeda contacts with Iran continued in ensuing years.

Page 240
Assistance from Hezbollah and Iran to al Qaeda As we mentioned in chapter 2, while in Sudan, senior managers in al Qaeda maintained contacts with Iran and the Iranian-supported worldwide terrorist organization Hezbollah, which is based mainly in southern Lebanon and Beirut. Al Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al Qaeda figures after Bin Ladin’s return to Afghanistan. Khallad has said that Iran made a concerted effort to strengthen relations with al Qaeda after the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, but was rebuffed because Bin Ladin did not want to alienate his supporters in Saudi Arabia. Khallad and other detainees have described the willingness of Iranian officials to facilitate the travel of al Qaeda members through Iran, on their way to and from Afghanistan.For example, Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place telltale stamps in the passports of these travelers. Such arrangements were particularly beneficial to Saudi members of al Qaeda.

Our knowledge of the international travels of the al Qaeda operatives selected for the 9/11 operation remains fragmentary. But we now have evidence suggesting that 8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi “muscle” operatives traveled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001.

In October 2000, a senior operative of Hezbollah visited Saudi Arabia to coordinate activities there. He also planned to assist individuals in Saudi Arabia in traveling to Iran during November. A top Hezbollah commander and Saudi Hezbollah contacts were involved.

Also in October 2000, two future muscle hijackers, Mohand al Shehri and Hamza al Ghamdi, flew from Iran to Kuwait. In November, Ahmed al Ghamdi apparently flew to Beirut, traveling—perhaps by coincidence—on the same flight as a senior Hezbollah operative. Also in November,Salem al Hazmi apparently flew from Saudi Arabia to Beirut. In mid-November, we believe, three of the future muscle hijackers,Wail al Shehri, Waleed al Shehri, and Ahmed al Nami, all of whom had obtained their U.S. visas in late October, traveled in a group from Saudi Arabia to Beirut and then onward to Iran. An associate of a senior Hezbollah operative was on the same flight that took the future hijackers to Iran. Hezbollah officials in Beirut and Iran were expecting the arrival of a group during the same time period. The travel of this group was important enough to merit the attention of senior figures in Hezbollah. Later in November, two future muscle hijackers,Satam al Suqami and Majed Moqed,flew into Iran from Bahrain. In February 2001, Khalid al Mihdhar may have taken a flight from Syria to Iran, and then traveled further within Iran to a point near the Afghan border. KSM and Binalshibh have confirmed that several of the 9/11 hijackers (at least eight, according to Binalshibh) transited Iran on their way to or from Afghanistan, taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports. They deny any other reason for the hijackers’ travel to Iran. They also deny any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah.

In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers. There also is circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000. However,we cannot rule out the possibility of a remarkable coincidence —that is, that Hezbollah was actually focusing on some other group of individuals traveling from Saudi Arabia during this same time frame, rather than the future hijackers. We have found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack. At the time of their travel through Iran, the al Qaeda operatives themselves were probably not aware of the specific details of their future operation. After 9/11, Iran and Hezbollah wished to conceal any past evidence of cooperation with Sunni terrorists associated with al Qaeda. A senior Hezbollah official disclaimed any Hezbollah involvement in 9/11. We believe this topic requires further investigation by the U.S. government.

[J.S.N.]

I’m sorry bro, but when a person straps a bomb to themselves to deliberately blow up women and children, I have a serious problem with that.

as do i and every other sane person. however, the only difference between a suicide bomber and pilot who bombs a hospital ala this last war in lebanon is the suicide bomber dies.

[Bigen12]

as do i and every other sane person. however, the only difference between a suicide bomber and pilot who bombs a hospital ala this last war in lebanon is the suicide bomber dies.

Intent is the difference.

I know of no Israeli missions that deliberatly targeted hospitals, but I do know of terrorists who deliberatly targed women and children.

[mcpeepants]

How about the 911 report?

Iran in the 9-11 Commission Report:

I haven't read the 9-11 commission report and I don't think the scope of investigation was limited. There linking of al qaieda and iran seems weak. note that the same al qaieda is attacking shia in Iraq. So they should dislike Iranian even more since Iran is shia and non-arab.

Page 50-51 Bin Ladin seemed willing to include in the confederation terrorists from almost every corner of the Muslim world. His vision mirrored that of Sudan’s Islamist leader, Turabi, who convened a series of meetings under the label Popular Arab and Islamic Conference around the time of Bin Ladin’s arrival in that country. Delegations of violent Islamist extremists came from all the groups represented in Bin Ladin’s Islamic Army Shura. Representatives also came from organizations such as the Palestine Liberation Organization, Hamas, and Hezbollah.
Turabi sought to persuade Shiites and Sunnis to put aside their divisions and join against the common enemy. In late 1991 or 1992, discussions in Sudan between al Qaeda and Iranian operatives led to an informal agreement to cooperate in providing support—even if only training—for actions carried out primarily against Israel and the United States. Not long afterward, senior al Qaeda operatives and trainers traveled to Iran to receive training in explosives. In the fall of 1993, another such delegation went to the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon for further training in explosives as well as in intelligence and security. Bin Ladin reportedly showed particular interest in learning how to use truck bombs such as the one that had killed 241 U.S. Marines in Lebanon in 1983. The relationship between al Qaeda and Iran demonstrated that Sunni-Shia divisions did not necessarily pose an insurmountable barrier to cooperation in terrorist operations. As will be described in chapter 7, al Qaeda contacts with Iran continued in ensuing years.

Page 240
Assistance from Hezbollah and Iran to al Qaeda As we mentioned in chapter 2, while in Sudan, senior managers in al Qaeda maintained contacts with Iran and the Iranian-supported worldwide terrorist organization Hezbollah, which is based mainly in southern Lebanon and Beirut. Al Qaeda members received advice and training from Hezbollah. Intelligence indicates the persistence of contacts between Iranian security officials and senior al Qaeda figures after Bin Ladin’s return to Afghanistan. Khallad has said that Iran made a concerted effort to strengthen relations with al Qaeda after the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, but was rebuffed because Bin Ladin did not want to alienate his supporters in Saudi Arabia. Khallad and other detainees have described the willingness of Iranian officials to facilitate the travel of al Qaeda members through Iran, on their way to and from Afghanistan.For example, Iranian border inspectors would be told not to place telltale stamps in the passports of these travelers. Such arrangements were particularly beneficial to Saudi members of al Qaeda.

Our knowledge of the international travels of the al Qaeda operatives selected for the 9/11 operation remains fragmentary. But we now have evidence suggesting that 8 to 10 of the 14 Saudi “muscle” operatives traveled into or out of Iran between October 2000 and February 2001.

In October 2000, a senior operative of Hezbollah visited Saudi Arabia to coordinate activities there. He also planned to assist individuals in Saudi Arabia in traveling to Iran during November. A top Hezbollah commander and Saudi Hezbollah contacts were involved.

Also in October 2000, two future muscle hijackers, Mohand al Shehri and Hamza al Ghamdi, flew from Iran to Kuwait. In November, Ahmed al Ghamdi apparently flew to Beirut, traveling—perhaps by coincidence—on the same flight as a senior Hezbollah operative. Also in November,Salem al Hazmi apparently flew from Saudi Arabia to Beirut. In mid-November, we believe, three of the future muscle hijackers,Wail al Shehri, Waleed al Shehri, and Ahmed al Nami, all of whom had obtained their U.S. visas in late October, traveled in a group from Saudi Arabia to Beirut and then onward to Iran. An associate of a senior Hezbollah operative was on the same flight that took the future hijackers to Iran. Hezbollah officials in Beirut and Iran were expecting the arrival of a group during the same time period. The travel of this group was important enough to merit the attention of senior figures in Hezbollah. Later in November, two future muscle hijackers,Satam al Suqami and Majed Moqed,flew into Iran from Bahrain. In February 2001, Khalid al Mihdhar may have taken a flight from Syria to Iran, and then traveled further within Iran to a point near the Afghan border. KSM and Binalshibh have confirmed that several of the 9/11 hijackers (at least eight, according to Binalshibh) transited Iran on their way to or from Afghanistan, taking advantage of the Iranian practice of not stamping Saudi passports. They deny any other reason for the hijackers’ travel to Iran. They also deny any relationship between the hijackers and Hezbollah.

In sum, there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers. There also is circumstantial evidence that senior Hezbollah operatives were closely tracking the travel of some of these future muscle hijackers into Iran in November 2000. However,we cannot rule out the possibility of a remarkable coincidence —that is, that Hezbollah was actually focusing on some other group of individuals traveling from Saudi Arabia during this same time frame, rather than the future hijackers. We have found no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack. At the time of their travel through Iran, the al Qaeda operatives themselves were probably not aware of the specific details of their future operation. After 9/11, Iran and Hezbollah wished to conceal any past evidence of cooperation with Sunni terrorists associated with al Qaeda. A senior Hezbollah official disclaimed any Hezbollah involvement in 9/11. We believe this topic requires further investigation by the U.S. government.

In this section of the report, they described infomation gained form Khallad (I'm assuming they mean khaled sheikh mohammed) and other detainees and circumstantional evidence. how they acquired that information and the truthfullness of the detainees deserves to be scrutinized. They should provide flight records in the report to show members travel to Iran. And why aren't Kuwait and Saudi Arabia being accused of sponsoring them while Iran is?

[J.S.N.]

Intent is the difference.

I know of no Israeli missions that deliberatly targeted hospitals, but I do know of terrorists who deliberatly targed women and children.

i think it's just easier ot identify with pilots because it's like a video game for them. there's little question that the israelis targeted civilians and esp. public works.

taken from amnesty (who conemned both sides)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engmde180072006

Amnesty International delegates in south Lebanon reported that in village after village the pattern was similar: the streets, especially main streets, were scarred with artillery craters along their length. In some cases cluster bomb impacts were identified. Houses were singled out for precision-guided missile attack and were destroyed, totally or partially, as a result. Business premises such as supermarkets or food stores and auto service stations and petrol stations were targeted, often with precision-guided munitions and artillery that started fires and destroyed their contents. With the electricity cut off and food and other supplies not coming into the villages, the destruction of supermarkets and petrol stations played a crucial role in forcing local residents to leave. The lack of fuel also stopped residents from getting water, as water pumps require electricity or fuel-fed generators.

Israeli government spokespeople have insisted that they were targeting Hizbullah positions and support facilities, and that damage to civilian infrastructure was incidental or resulted from Hizbullah using the civilian population as a "human shield". However, the pattern and scope of the attacks, as well as the number of civilian casualties and the amount of damage sustained, makes the justification ring hollow. The evidence strongly suggests that the extensive destruction of public works, power systems, civilian homes and industry was deliberate and an integral part of the military strategy, rather than "collateral damage" – incidental damage to civilians or civilian property resulting from targeting military objectives.

Statements by Israeli military officials seem to confirm that the destruction of the infrastructure was indeed a goal of the military campaign. On 13 July, shortly after the air strikes began, the Israel Defence Force (IDF) Chief of Staff Lt-Gen Dan Halutz noted that all Beirut could be included among the targets if Hizbullah rockets continued to hit northern Israel: "Nothing is safe [in Lebanon], as simple as that,"(8) he said. Three days later, according to the Jerusalem Post newspaper, a high ranking IDF officer threatened that Israel would destroy Lebanese power plants if Hizbullah fired long-range missiles at strategic installations in northern Israel.(9) On 24 July, at a briefing by a high-ranking Israeli Air Force officer, reporters were told that the IDF Chief of Staff had ordered the military to destroy 10 buildings in Beirut for every Katyusha rocket strike on Haifa.(10) His comments were later condemned by the Association for Civil Rights in Israel.(11) According to the New York Times, the IDF Chief of Staff said the air strikes were aimed at keeping pressure on Lebanese officials, and delivering a message to the Lebanese government that they must take responsibility for Hizbullah’s actions. He called Hizbullah "a cancer" that Lebanon must get rid of, "because if they don’t their country will pay a very high price." (12)

[Logan13]

i think it's just easier ot identify with pilots because it's like a video game for them. there's little question that the israelis targeted civilians and esp. public works.

And now Hezbollah(Syria and Iran) is trying to overthrow the Lebanese gov't.
I think that you were born in the wrong counry.........although there are some native born sleeper cells in many Western countries........

[Bigen12]

i think it's just easier ot identify with pilots because it's like a video game for them. there's little question that the israelis targeted civilians and esp. public works.

taken from amnesty (who conemned both sides)

The deliberate targeting of infrastructure is just part of war. The enemy needs electricity fuel and supplies for their warfare.

The Israelis dropped leaflets and broadcast their impending attacks, urging the civilian population to evacuate to the north.


This report also doesn’t debunk the fact that Hizbullah used the civilian population as “human shields”.

[J.S.N.]

The deliberate targeting of infrastructure is just part of war. The enemy needs electricity fuel and supplies for their warfare.

The Israelis dropped leaflets and broadcast their impending attacks, urging the civilian population to evacuate to the north.


This report also doesn’t debunk the fact that Hizbullah used the civilian population as “human shields”.

dude they bombed out the roads.

[Bigen12]

dude they bombed out the roads.

I believe they dropped leaflets and broadcast their impending attacks, before the bombing even started.

[J.S.N.]

I believe they dropped leaflets and broadcast their impending attacks, before the bombing even started.

maybe in some cases but in many they didn't, and anyways it's a moot point because they bombed way north in places like beirut that are nowhere close to hezbollah control.