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    Man killed by cops (PIGS) on wedding day......

    NEW YORK — Sean Bell and his fiancee had already shared a high school romance, then two children. In the early hours of what was to be their wedding day, their reception hall lay waiting, covered in satin and adorned with balloons.

    But the ceremony never arrived Saturday, after police shot 50 rounds at the groom's car as he drove away from his bachelor party, killing the 23-year-old just hours before he was set to walk down the aisle.

    The hail of gunfire at a car full of unarmed men drew a furious outcry from family members and community leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton. Two passengers, who had been celebrating with the groom at a strip club, were also injured; one was struck by at least 11 bullets.

    The officers' shots struck the men's car 21 times after the vehicle rammed into an undercover officer and hit an unmarked NYPD minivan. Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said it was too early to say whether the shooting was justified.

    The wild gunfire hit nearby homes and shattered windows at a train station, though no residents were injured.

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    Police thought one of the men in the car might have had a gun. But investigators found no weapons. It was unclear what prompted police to open fire, Kelly said.

    On Sunday morning, a few hours before a planned noon vigil for the victims, Sharpton told ABC's "Good Morning America" that the volume of shots fired alone raised questions about the police's actions.

    "How does one justify 50 shots at unarmed men?" Sharpton asked.

    Kelly said the incident stemmed from an undercover operation inside the strip club in the Jamaica section of Queens. Seven officers in plain clothes were investigating the Kalua Cabaret; five of them were involved in the shooting.

    According to Kelly, the groom was involved in a verbal dispute outside the club after 4 a.m. One of his friends made a reference to a gun.

    An undercover officer walked closely behind Bell and his friends as they headed for their car. As he walked toward the front of the vehicle, they drove forward — striking him and a nearby undercover police vehicle.

    The officer who had followed the group on foot was apparently the first to open fire, Kelly said. That officer had served on the force for five years. One 12-year veteran fired his weapon 31 times, emptying two full magazines, Kelly said.

    It was the first time any of the officers, who all carried 9 mm handguns, had been involved in a shooting, Kelly said.

    At some point, Bell backed his car up onto the sidewalk, hitting a building gate. He then drove forward, striking the police vehicle a second time, Kelly said.

    It was unclear whether the shooters had identified themselves as police, Kelly said.

    Kelly's account of the events was based on statements made by witnesses and the two officers who did not shoot their weapons. Police could not question the other officers because the district attorney must first complete an investigation, Kelly said.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was following the case closely and he was in touch with community leaders.

    "Although it is too early to draw conclusions about this morning's shootings ... we know that the NYPD officers on the scene had reason to believe that an altercation involving a firearm was about to happen and were trying to stop it," the mayor said in a statement.

    The groom was driving. Joseph Guzman, 31, was in the front passenger's seat and was shot at least 11 times. Trent Benefield, 23, who was in the back seat, was hit three times. Both men were taken to Mary Immaculate Hospital, where Guzman was listed in critical condition and Benefield was in stable condition.

    Kelly said there may have been a fourth person in the car who fled the scene.

    Three officers, including the officer hit by the car, were treated and released. Another detective remained hospitalized for hypertension, Kelly said.

    Abraham Kamara, 38, who lives a few blocks from where the shooting occurred, said he was getting ready for work at about 4 a.m. when he heard bursts of gunfire.

    "First it was like four shots," he said. "And then it was like pop-pop-pop like 12 times."

    Kelly said undercover officers were inside the club to document illicit activity. With one more violation the club would be shut down, Kelly said.

    He said the establishment, next to an auto-body repair shop on a gritty block across from a Long Island Rail Road station, had a "chronic history of narcotics, prostitution and weapons complaints" and had been closed by authorities for three months last year.

    On Saturday, Sharpton joined grieving relatives at Jamaica Hospital, where Bell was pronounced dead, and Mary Immaculate Hospital and held news conferences afterward. At Jamaica Hospital, the civil rights advocate stood with about two dozen members of the families of Bell and his fiancee.

    "I will stand with this family," he said. "This stinks. Something about the story being told did not seem right."

    Sharpton said Bell and his fiancee had two children, a 3-year-old and a 5-month-old.

    After meeting with the two wounded men at Mary Immaculate Hospital, Sharpton said he was outraged to find the pair handcuffed to their hospital beds. The two were unshackled later Saturday and have not been charged with a crime.

    "We're not anti-police ... we're anti-police brutality," Sharpton said.

    Robert Porter, who identified himself as Bell's first cousin, said he was supposed to be a DJ at the wedding. He said about 250 people were invited to the ceremony and were flying in from all over the country. He said his cousin wasn't the type to confront police and that he was "on the straight-and-narrow."

    "I can't really express myself. It's a numb feeling," Porter said. "I still don't want to believe it, a beautiful day like this, and he was going to have a beautiful wedding, he was going to live forever with his wife and children. And this happened."

    This isn't the first time the NYPD has come under scrutiny over police-involved shootings.

    In 1999, police killed Amadou Diallo, an unarmed West African immigrant who was shot 19 times in the Bronx. The four officers in that case were acquitted of criminal charges.

    And in 2003, Ousmane Zongo was shot to death during a police raid. The 43-year-old, a native of the western African country of Burkina Faso, repaired art and musical instruments in Manhattan. He was hit f

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    bump dat MYPD

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    Dude, this is from like 4 days ago... geez...jk. Shitty situation, should have never happened.

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    you'd have a little more clout behind ya if you could stop using derogatory terms in the title.

    nobody wants to back an idiot

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    messed up situation but it's too early to hear both sides of the story

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    exactly. my dad calls cops pigs because **I** got into some serious trouble with the law a while back. hes never changed his attitude towards them even when i got out.
    but i have more respect for cops now than i ever have in my life. nobody can really take the time to realize where we'd be without laws and cops and how f**ked our society would be.
    sure not all cops are perfect, and sure some are racist, and sure some are powerstruck a holes. but the majority of them get into the force for truley noble causes, to protect and serve complete strangers they dont even know. and to risk thier life everyday for that matter.
    so sure we wrag on them when they f**k up, but when you put that shit on a scale with the amount of good things they do for society, its too simple to understand. i just am no longer the type of person who feels threatened by authority and understands we can call them *pigs* but thats like calling a fireman a deushbag, its sensless, ego-centered, and flat out ignorant.

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    thats what happens when u try to run down an undercover

    sad to hear that it was his wedding day though

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    HIs wife probably fired 50 rounds at him for going to a strip club on their wedding day. I know mine would.

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    PIGS, yeah ok tard. Apparently a bad situation. We don't know all the facts for one, and two...you weren't there. So go ahead and take what Rev. Al Sharpton or that racist black councilman has to say...they speak your language.

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    No cop is going to put his career on the line and just shoot 50 rounds for the hell of it at some kids. There is more to this than we know of, it's a shame it happened before his wedding, but a crime is a crime and sometimes force needs to be addressed to stop it. The sad part of it all is these guys were probably so drunk they didn't realize what they were even doing. Excessive alcohol never brings about anything good.

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    When the police say put your hands in the air, and get out of the car.. you do it.. if they say stop, and put your hands on the car, you do it..

    if you mouth off, reach in your pants, and advance on them.. I'd shoot..

    and good for them, hopefully they got him before he was able to reproduce..
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    by the way this belongs in the news since you posted it without comment, had you posted it with comment, it would have been deleted..
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    These "PIGS" deal with people who are taught to believe they are the enemy from birth. They deal with the garbage of society all day, every day. They see murders, robberies, rapes, overdoses, etc., all the time. 50 rounds is overkill, no question, but who the fack are you to call these cops "PIGS" because some fat cop in your white bread town pulled you over in your moms car for speeding?

    Douchebag.

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    5 police officers combined fired 50 shots. BTW, 2 officers were black, 1 was Latino, and 2 were white. The driver of the car hit the cop twice with his car and was attempting another time when the 5 policemen opened fire. The police knew 2 of the men as they both had rap sheets, one of them was convicted of violence with a weapon. All of the facts are needed in order to see the whole picture. Again, 2 of the 5 cops were white, so stick your racism shit back where it belongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    5 police officers combined fired 50 shots. BTW, 2 officers were black, 1 was Latino, and 2 were white. The driver of the car hit the cop twice with his car and was attempting another time when the 5 policemen opened fire. The police knew 2 of the men as they both had rap sheets, one of them was convicted of violence with a weapon. All of the facts are needed in order to see the whole picture. Again, 2 of the 5 cops were white, so stick your racism shit back where it belongs.
    awesome how the truth is so much better than just saying cops are pigs and racist and all that bull crap.

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    the groom was prolly drunk and decided to drive.....then he hits someone who happen to a plains clothes cop with his car repeatedly. if you ask me, they/he got what was coming to them. i gotta agree with spywizard on this one.

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    he crashed into a police car, the police percieved it as a threat and lit his ass up. the only "Pig" in this situation is the moron behind the wheel of the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbouncinballs
    you'd have a little more clout behind ya if you could stop using derogatory terms in the title.

    nobody wants to back an idiot

    if that makes him an idiot...i'll back him. for what happened, "pigs" would be one of the nicest things i can think of. i don't claim to know all of the facts, like everyone on this board, we weren't there...like every story, we don't know what ALL happened. but, on the evidence presented to me...50 rounds...is...drastic.
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    At what point did they realize that the people inside the car weren't shooting back?

    "Although it is too early to draw conclusions about this morning's shootings ... we know that the NYPD officers on the scene had reason to believe that an altercation involving a firearm was about to happen and were trying to stop it," the mayor said in a statement.
    Uhhh... what? There are two sides to every story but 50 bullets weren't necessary.

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    The problem is over-use of 'undercover cops' In America they are increasingly using secret police in routine situations, like having plaincloathed cops at trainstations and using undercover cops in routine patrols, these blacks wouldn't have rammed the car had they known it were heavely armed cops, thats obvious-they probably just thought it was some asshole cutting them off, in Europe and asia they hardly ever use them or only use them in specific sting type operations

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash187ct
    if that makes him an idiot...i'll back him. for what happened, "pigs" would be one of the nicest things i can think of. i don't claim to know all of the facts, like everyone on this board, we weren't there...like every story, we don't know what ALL happened. but, on the evidence presented to me...50 rounds...is...drastic.
    5 cops emptied their clips into a car that was trying to run over a cop and the cops thought their might be bullets coming back at them.

    Have you ever fired a glock 13? You can spill 10 bullets in under 5 seconds, and if you're nerves are on edge and your scared for your life or the life of an officer, I dont see that as "drastic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    The problem is over-use of 'undercover cops' In America they are increasingly using secret police in routine situations, like having plaincloathed cops at trainstations and using undercover cops in routine patrols, these blacks wouldn't have rammed the car had they known it were heavely armed cops, thats obvious-they probably just thought it was some asshole cutting them off, in Europe and asia they hardly ever use them or only use them in specific sting type operations
    So it wouldve been OK if it was a civillian??

    Haha, these "blacks"...nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    The problem is over-use of 'undercover cops' In America they are increasingly using secret police in routine situations, like having plaincloathed cops at trainstations and using undercover cops in routine patrols, these blacks wouldn't have rammed the car had they known it were heavely armed cops, thats obvious-they probably just thought it was some asshole cutting them off, in Europe and asia they hardly ever use them or only use them in specific sting type operations

    so it would have been ok for them to ram a citizen who cut them off?

    Undercovers work, if you have nothing to hide there wont be a problem.

    the chrages of racism by certain people can stop too as the cops were: 2 whites, 2 blacks, 1 hispanic. go home al sharpton!

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    so it would have been ok for them to ram a citizen who cut them off?

    Undercovers work, if you have nothing to hide there wont be a problem.

    the chrages of racism by certain people can stop too as the cops were: 2 whites, 2 blacks, 1 hispanic. go home al sharpton!
    Who the hell said anyone was racist? I re-read this thread and I didn't read anyone saying anything about the cops being racist... I think they were called "idiots" and though all racist people are idiots, not all idiots are racist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    At what point did they realize that the people inside the car weren't shooting back?

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    No need to know that. The vehicle was the perps weapon at the time. I say its another Darwin death

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    No need to know that. The vehicle was the perps weapon at the time. I say its another Darwin death
    Yeah, that's why the other two guys in the car still haven't been charged with a crime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    Who the hell said anyone was racist? I re-read this thread and I didn't read anyone saying anything about the cops being racist... I think they were called "idiots" and though all racist people are idiots, not all idiots are racist.
    wasnt referring to people in this thread....i was referring to people like al sharpton who i mentioned using this as a racially motivated act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    Yeah, that's why the other two guys in the car still haven't been charged with a crime...

    SCRIPT: the story supposedly goes that the cops shot when they saw someone reach for their waistband. when the other cops heard gun shots they thought they were being shot at and opened fire as well. there is grumblings about another person that got away who may have actually started shooting. we will see in the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    At what point did they realize that the people inside the car weren't shooting back?



    Uhhh... what? There are two sides to every story but 50 bullets weren't necessary.
    Agreed, but if you have ever used a firearm, you know that it only takes 5 people 4-7 seconds to fire off 50 shots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash187ct
    if that makes him an idiot...i'll back him. for what happened, "pigs" would be one of the nicest things i can think of. i don't claim to know all of the facts, like everyone on this board, we weren't there...like every story, we don't know what ALL happened. but, on the evidence presented to me...50 rounds...is...drastic.
    as you said: you don't know all the facts, you weren't there, you don't know all that happened, yet you're perfectly fine with using such a derogatory term.
    i guess follower lemmings are just as ignorant as the idiot leading the pack.

    innocent until proven guilty. the slang is highly offensive. i guess everyone's got free reign to call OJ a n***** until the case is solved according to your logic.

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    i read an article in regards to this and the seinfeld guy thing it stated they they are all racist and most people are racist. MOST? the person that wrote the article is generalizing. Are black people mostly racist too or jsut white people. If 3 white people where shot then all these racist blacks wouldn't make a frenzy about it like reverand al sharpton haha he talks about people being racist when he the worst racist there is. I hate people that try to flip everything into a race thing. There are tons of people killed by cops through mistaken identity. big f ing deal it happens. Should we have no cops? yeah that would work anarchy would definately work too. People get killed. black people get killed. white people get killed. RAcism is only noticed by other racist. When you don't give a crap about racism it doesnt exist. Cops only suck when you are a criminal. rant over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tinyguy2
    i read an article in regards to this and the seinfeld guy thing it stated they they are all racist and most people are racist. MOST? the person that wrote the article is generalizing. Are black people mostly racist too or jsut white people. If 3 white people where shot then all these racist blacks wouldn't make a frenzy about it like reverand al sharpton haha he talks about people being racist when he the worst racist there is. I hate people that try to flip everything into a race thing. There are tons of people killed by cops through mistaken identity. big f ing deal it happens. Should we have no cops? yeah that would work anarchy would definately work too. People get killed. black people get killed. white people get killed. RAcism is only noticed by other racist. When you don't give a crap about racism it doesnt exist. Cops only suck when you are a criminal. rant over.
    I disagree on this part. All people can feel racism. White. Black. Brown. Green.

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    yeah but if one feels racism from one culture they are going to dislike or hate that culture which causes more racism. if people just saw us as individuals insttead of grouping people like you did yourself none of this matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak101
    These "PIGS" deal with people who are taught to believe they are the enemy from birth. They deal with the garbage of society all day, every day. They see murders, robberies, rapes, overdoses, etc., all the time. 50 rounds is overkill, no question, but who the fack are you to call these cops "PIGS" because some fat cop in your white bread town pulled you over in your moms car for speeding?

    Douchebag.
    I agree!

    The police vet shot 31 times and that is ridiculous but make no mistake people, this victim was no angel no matter what the media tries to tell you. Did he deserve to be gunned down, hell if i know, something went down that's for sure.
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