"What do we want? Freedom!"

[singern]

Students Cry Out for Freedom in Large Demonstration at Tehran University
Thursday, December 07, 2006

As many as 2,000 students turned out to demand personal freedom in the Islamic state, which has cracked down on political activity on campus this year in what some have called the Second Cultural Revolution.

One banner, in Persian, read: "If I rise up and you rise up, everyone will rise up."

Another read: "Our struggle is twofold: Fighting against internal oppression and external foreign threats."

[Logan13]

Students Cry Out for Freedom in Large Demonstration at Tehran University
Thursday, December 07, 2006

As many as 2,000 students turned out to demand personal freedom in the Islamic state, which has cracked down on political activity on campus this year in what some have called the Second Cultural Revolution.

One banner, in Persian, read: "If I rise up and you rise up, everyone will rise up."

Another read: "Our struggle is twofold: Fighting against internal oppression and external foreign threats."

They are the future of Iran. Seems ahmednejad should be sending letters to his own people.......But let me guess, there are at least 4 members in here that will say "these Iranian students have just been brainwashed by Bush"....

[Logan13]

Funny how no one else has posted in this thread because it goes against their own view of reality........

[eliteforce]

whoopi, 2000 protesters, if you've ever actually been to a protest youd know how lame 2000 is, even 20,000 is shit, so thats not exactly popular sentiment in that country.

[Kärnfysikern]

Everything always starts at the universities. I hope they will get huge support so they can get rid of that religious nonsense dictatorship.

[Kärnfysikern]

If the west want to do something we should massivly support those movements. If we take up arms and **** up irans nuclear power program all those people will turn against the west.

[FearlessFighter]

Students Cry Out for Freedom in Large Demonstration at Tehran University
Thursday, December 07, 2006

As many as 2,000 students turned out to demand personal freedom in the Islamic state, which has cracked down on political activity on campus this year in what some have called the Second Cultural Revolution.

One banner, in Persian, read: "If I rise up and you rise up, everyone will rise up."

Another read: "Our struggle is twofold: Fighting against internal oppression and external foreign threats."

Hi "singern",

Would you happen to have any video fotage of this rally? 2,000 people are a big event. Surely if this is true it must come from a good source and there must have been some type of coverage of it as well--unless....

[FearlessFighter]

If the west want to do something we should massivly support those movements. If we take up arms and **** up irans nuclear power program all those people will turn against the west.

Why are you and other pro-Israel people at this forum so obsessed over Iran's benign nuclear power program?

Are you even aware that Israel, for instance, have refused inspections, and have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran has no nuclear weapons, allows inspections, and has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty? Hmm. I guess your Zionist news outlets have forgot to tell you the facts!

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[Kärnfysikern]

Why are you and other pro-Israel people at this forum so obsessed over Iran's benign nuclear power program?

Are you even aware that Israel, for instance, have refused inspections, and have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran has no nuclear weapons, allows inspections, and has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty? Hmm. I guess your Zionist news outlets have forgot to tell you the facts!

If you would have read my posts in this forum you would realise I have no problem with Irans nuclear program aslong as they go along with all IAEA inspections.

So before you try to label me as something spend a few minutes acctualy reading my posts.

I am far from pro israeli. I dont take sides in that stupid conflict.

[Logan13]

If the west want to do something we should massivly support those movements. If we take up arms and **** up irans nuclear power program all those people will turn against the west.

You are right, if these people are supported they will take care of their own country without us having to even step foot in there. Just remember Teneman Square though.

[KAEW44]

Ok since nobody else wants to say it let me be the one Logan 13:

Thos students were brainwashed by Bush!! Its the truth!!

[Tock]

Why are you and other pro-Israel people at this forum so obsessed over Iran's benign nuclear power program?

Are you even aware that Israel, for instance, have refused inspections, and have refused to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Iran has no nuclear weapons, allows inspections, and has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty? Hmm. I guess your Zionist news outlets have forgot to tell you the facts!

I'd have to say that if it's ok for the US, France, England, Germany, Russia, China, and Isreal to have atomic weapons, well, who's to say that Iran can't? Seems to me it's hypocritical for governments that have 'em to tell other governments that they can't. Also seems to me that one reason that Iran wants nuclear bombs is to deter Isreal from using 'em on Arab countries. Seems fair to me. Not a good thing, by any stretch of the imagination, but fair.
Same goes for nuclear power . . . if we've got 'em, why can't they?

[Tock]

Funny how no one else has posted in this thread because it goes against their own view of reality........

Funny how you seem to know why folks haven't posted in this thread.
In my case, it wasn't because "it goes against their own view of reality. . . " but rather because I had better things to do. Right now I don't have better things to do . . .

[Logan13]

Ok since nobody else wants to say it let me be the one Logan 13:

Thos students were brainwashed by Bush!! Its the truth!!

LOL!!

[Logan13]

Funny how you seem to know why folks haven't posted in this thread.
In my case, it wasn't because "it goes against their own view of reality. . . " but rather because I had better things to do. Right now I don't have better things to do . . .

You still have not replied to the thread topic, so my assumptions obviously have merit..........You did have time to post above Tock......

[singern]

Hi "singern",

Would you happen to have any video fotage of this rally? 2,000 people are a big event. Surely if this is true it must come from a good source and there must have been some type of coverage of it as well--unless....

Helo "fearless"
There are links to this story in every news media from Teheran, to Cuba, you can look them up for yourself,

For a "new comer" Cough Cough. your 11 posts give a pretty good idea who you are, and what you stand for. You really need to lighten up, take the Nasralla dick out of your mouth if you want to be taken seriously here. And it wouldnt hurt if you post something to do with the topic at hand instead of bashing everyone for the sake of saving face.

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[FearlessFighter]

Helo "fearless"
There are links to this story in every news media from Teheran, to Cuba, you can look them up for yourself,

For a "new comer" Cough Cough. your 11 posts give a pretty good idea who you are, and what you stand for. You really need to lighten up, take the Nasralla dick out of your mouth if you want to be taken seriously here. And it wouldnt hurt if you post something to do with the topic at hand instead of bashing everyone for the sake of saving face.

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Stop dodging and stop the lame insults. Where is the video coverage of this big event, where are the photographs of this big event. Do post them or continue to dodge.

[singern]

Stop dodging and stop the lame insults. Where is the video coverage of this big event, where are the photographs of this big event. Do post them or continue to dodge.

What the hell video are you talking about, and why would I have any control over the news outlets posting one, We are discussing a news event that is posted on every news agency on the planet, if you need instruction on how to use the search button, Im sure we can find someone to help you out.

you obviously arent very good at this whole "discussion" thing.

[FearlessFighter]

What the hell video are you talking about, and why would I have any control over the news outlets posting one, We are discussing a news event that is posted on every news agency on the planet, if you need instruction on how to use the search button, Im sure we can find someone to help you out.

you obviously arent very good at this whole "discussion" thing.

Nobody has said that you control anything. I am saying that there should be photographs or some type of coverage (videos and such) of this event; if it was true.

You obviosuly aren't very good at this whole 'logical thinking' thing.

[biglouie250]

Another read: "Our struggle is twofold: Fighting against internal oppression and external foreign threats."

they may want the current govt out but this quote still means they dont want us there......

[singern]

Nobody has said that you control anything. I am saying that there should be photographs or some type of coverage (videos and such) of this event; if it was true.

You obviosuly aren't very good at this whole 'logical thinking' thing.

I haven't seen any such pictures, but what does that have to do with the validity of the news story? I dont have a picture of Bush masterbating or of Nasrala getting fuked in the ass either, but I belive them to be true.

[singern]

they may want the current govt out but this quote still means they dont want us there......

But we are not there, so one would have to understand the statement to be directed at international/United nations threats due to the actions and statements of the current Iranian leadership.

[FearlessFighter]

I haven't seen any such pictures, but what the hell does that have to do with the validity of the news story? I dont have a picture od Bush masterbating or of Nasrala getting fuked in the ass either, but I belive them to be true.

OK, let's view this from a logical point of view and not from your infantile view and without responses like the one in the last sentence of your post; the mere fact that they assembled to demonstrate in such a large group, would mean to me at least, that they have 'freedom'. This goes hand in hand with heckling the President too, which it has been said in some news reports (obviously if somebody reports about something, it means in your logic, that it happend -- no need for critical thinking or logic at all here, ehhh!).

So for what its worth, they have freedom. Probably more than you.

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[singern]

OK, let's view this from a logical point of view and not from your infantile view and without responses like the one in the last sentence of your post; the mere fact that they assembled to demonstrate in such a large group, would mean to me at least, that they have 'freedom'. This goes hand in hand with heckling the President too, which it has been said in some news reports (obviously if somebody reports about something, it means in your logic, that it happend -- no need for critical thinking or logic at all here, ehhh!).

So for what its worth, they have freedom. Probably more than you.

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Just for you Einstein. (oh sorry he was a jew)
Allow me to apologize for my infantile intellect, I will try show you the same respect you have kindly shown others here.

First off there is no freedom of press in Iran so there will not be any official reports videos or photos, however I was just watching foxnews where I saw a short video secretly recorded by one of the students.
So no my challenged friend they are not free, nor are they as willing as you seem bent on persuading us to believe.

[FearlessFighter]

Just for you Einstein. (oh sorry he was a jew)
Allow me to apologize for my infantile intellect, I will try show you the same respect you have kindly shown others here.

First off there is no freedom of press in Iran so there will not be any official reports videos or photos, however I was just watching foxnews where I saw a short video secretly recorded by one of the students.
So no my challenged friend they are not free, nor are they as willing as you seem bent on persuading us to believe.

The press is free and I doubt you saw some 'secretly' recorded video of this event. If it was on Fox surely it should be available on the internet too, seeing as the publicity would be a thing of great desire if the lies you write were true, which they aren't.

It says in the Constitution that the press and opinion is free, it is one of their basic rights. However, in many European countries, there are certain things which you are not allowed to print - yet our countries are supposed to be free & democratic.

Yes, Einstein surely was a Jew and Olinto de Pretto among many others are turning over in their graves like the propeller of a Messerschmitt ME 109...

[Tock]

You still have not replied to the thread topic, so my assumptions obviously have merit..........You did have time to post above Tock......

No, I didn't have time -- I was busy changing the flapper on my Toto commode. Now I need to go change the float mechanism . . .

If I decide that your assumption has merit, I might make time to further respond . . . but don't hold your breath. We both know what happens when you make an ASSumption . . .

[Logan13]

This man lives in Iran and has been arrested many times for printing and posting articles that go against Iran's agenda.

http://www.memarian.info/en_articles.asp
(London, October 19, 2006) – Human Rights Watch will honor Omid Memarian, an Iranian human rights activist who has creatively used the internet to press for a more open and democratic political regime in Iran, with it highest honor, the Human Rights Watch Defender Award, on November 7.
Memarian embodies the new breed of human rights defenders who are pushing the boundaries of freedom of expression in Iran by working on the internet. He worked as a journalist for reformist newspapers until the Iranian government cracked down on the press and shuttered most of the independent papers.

Refusing to admit defeat, Memarian shifted to the internet, pioneering a new medium of human rights reporting. His blog is dedicated to social, cultural and civil society issues in Iran.

“Omid Memarian represents the generation of human rights defenders in Iran who came of age during the last decade of promised reforms,” said Hadi Ghaemi, Iran researcher with Human Rights Watch’s Middle East and North Africa division. “As an insightful and popular commentator, he represents a threat to the current hardliners who are rolling back basic human rights in Iran.”

As a result of his public defense of human rights, Memarian was arrested with more than 20 other bloggers in October 2004. He was detained in solitary confinement, tortured repeatedly, and forced to make false confessions. Following protests from the international community, including Human Rights Watch, Memarian was released in December 2004. Human Rights Watch worked closely with his colleagues to campaign for his release.

The Iranian government’s use of torture in detention has effectively destroyed the country’s independent media, but Memarian has refused to back down and continues to blog. Since his release from prison, Memarian has worked with Human Rights Watch to expose arbitrary detentions, torture and mistreatment of prisoners in Iran at great personal risk.

“After the reformist press was crushed, blogs have become one of the last remaining outlets for free expression in Iran,” said Ghaemi.

“Omid has been an outspoken advocate of freedom of the press and democratic reforms even after he was detained and tortured by security forces in the past year,” said Ghaemi. “Human Rights Watch is honoring Omid to show solidarity with all the writers and activists across the Middle East who are using the web to break down government controls on human rights information and free expression.”

Omid Memarian
wikpedia.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omid_Memarian
Omid Memarian (in Persian: امید معماریان)is a progressive Iranian journalist and social activist. He was awarded the Golden pen at the National Press Festival in Iran at 2001. He has been blogging since 2001, in English and Persian. He used to work with Hayat-e No (New Life), Yas-e-no (New Jasmin), Vaqaye-e Ettefaqiyeh (Occurring Events) and Sharq (or Shargh = East) daily newspapers in Iran.

Omid is Editor in Chief of Volunteer Actors Quarterly which deals with civil society issues. He is a blogger which blogs on several blogs. He was detained in Iran from October 10, to December 2004. [1] On 10 October, journalist Omid Memarian was arrested on the orders of the Tehran Prosecutor's Office's Ninth Chamber. Memarian was detained for posting articles on several reformist Websites and was accused of "spreading propaganda against the regime, threatening national security, incitement to rebellion and insulting leading figures in the regime." But he had still not been charged. Five days later the authorities also searched Memarian's home and confiscated his personal notes and computer. Shortly before his arrest, Memarian had tried to attend a conference on Iranian civil society in New York. He had obtained a US visa, but en route in Frankfurt, US authorities refused to allow him to board his flight, saying that he was on a "no-fly" list. They provided no other information. He was arrested a few days after his return to Tehran. [2] Omid Memarian is currently a visiting scholar at UC-Berkeley school of journalism .[3]

[Logan13]

No, I didn't have time -- I was busy changing the flapper on my Toto commode. Now I need to go change the float mechanism . . .

If I decide that your assumption has merit, I might make time to further respond . . . but don't hold your breath. We both know what happens when you make an ASSumption . . .

Why am I not surprised that you have a commode.

[Tock]

Why am I not surprised that you have a commode.

Well, some people don't have a pot to piss in. Me, I have a pot to piss in.
And it's a doozy -- rated best in class, as a matter of fact.

Now all I need is to fine a couple of spitoons, and I'll be in high cotton . . .