Children of Palestinian Officer Killed

[singern]

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Hamas gunmen killed three young children of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday, pumping dozens of bullets into their car on a street crowded with schoolchildren -- an unprecedented attack that could ignite widespread factional fighting.

In Monday's attack, the children's car was riddled with some 60 bullets by gunmen driving in two vehicles, Palestinian security officials said. Its seats, school bags and a small plastic bag with a sandwich in it were splattered with blood.
"The killers knew Baha was not in the car because he never drove his children to school. They couldn't get to him to kill him, so they killed his children instead," the Palestinian official said.



IMO:
So Hamas has gone from targeting Israeli kids to targeting Palestinian kids, I wonder if Mohammed will give them 72 virgins for this heroic act. Maybe name a street or shopping mall after them........


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[ecivon]

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Hamas gunmen killed three young children of a senior Palestinian intelligence officer Monday, pumping dozens of bullets into their car on a street crowded with schoolchildren -- an unprecedented attack that could ignite widespread factional fighting.

IMO:
So Hamas has gone from targeting Israeli kids to targeting Palestinian kids, I wonder if Mohammed will give them 72 virgins for this heroic act. Maybe name a street or shopping mall after them........
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I don't understand why you would post the story, let alone add your comments.

This conflict can never be ended until facts on the ground are dealt with in reality and stark truthfulness.

It's possible Hamas did this, but it makes absolutely no sense and Hamas has denied they were involved. Such an act would certainly draw Fatah and Hamas into even more animosity and divisiveness. Israel certainly would have a vested interest in drawing the two sides into further discord and armed conflict and who can rule out the Metsada in carrying out the attack as Israel would have a lot to gain?

Hamas has never intentionally fired upon Israeli children -- show me one incident where children were intentionally targeted. I can show many where the IDF intentionally targeted children, never mind the 'official' explanation of the army.

[biglouie250]

i dont see how anyone can argue with my foreign policy after hearing crap like this..... nuke the entire middle east and start over. one big do over.

[Snrf]

post the source when pasting an article, otherwise it could be made up

[singern]

post the source when pasting an article, otherwise it could be made up

This was on the front page of every news site on the planet, wont be hard to find.

[singern]

I don't understand why you would post the story, let alone add your comments.

This conflict can never be ended until facts on the ground are dealt with in reality and stark truthfulness.

It's possible Hamas did this, but it makes absolutely no sense and Hamas has denied they were involved. Such an act would certainly draw Fatah and Hamas into even more animosity and divisiveness. Israel certainly would have a vested interest in drawing the two sides into further discord and armed conflict and who can rule out the Metsada in carrying out the attack as Israel would have a lot to gain?

Hamas has never intentionally fired upon Israeli children -- show me one incident where children were intentionally targeted. I can show many where the IDF intentionally targeted children, never mind the 'official' explanation of the army.

Sorry that just doesnt make sence, Israel evacuated gaza, we no longer have a vested interest there, nor would we want to, every pole taken here be it public or political shows this. Hamas however has a great deal to lose since Abbas has called for early elections. Hamas made alot of promises they cannot keep, and with the international hold on funds due to current government make up, you can be sure Hamas will not see another government job other than jamitor at the court house.

One thing Israel does want is peace, this I can tell you as I live here. The ability to send my kids to school and not worry about them, the ability to travel, and enjoy simple things in life. This is what we want.

[mcpeepants]

The story is real. here's what I got from yahoo.

Deaths of 3 children threaten Gaza peace By MARK LAVIE, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 8 minutes ago

JERUSALEM - By threatening to ignite a Palestinian civil war, the killing of three children in the Gaza Strip on Monday has jeopardized Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's efforts to restart long-stalled peace talks.

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As violence between the two main Palestinian factions has intensified, hopes are fading for a Palestinian national unity government — seen as a precondition for renewed negotiations with Israel. Olmert is offering the Palestinians far-reaching concessions and a state of their own if they choose the path of peace talks.

"It's one of those situations where all Israel can do is wait it out," said Shmuel Sandler, a professor of political science at Bar Ilan University outside Tel Aviv.

The apparent target of the drive-by shooting in Gaza City was Baha Balousheh, a top Palestinian security officer and Fatah loyalist. He blamed the rival Hamas, although the Islamic movement denied responsibility and denounced the killings.

Balousheh's three children — 3-year-old Salam, 6-year-old Ahmed and 9-year-old Osama — were in the family car on their way to school when gunmen opened fire from two vehicles. The three were killed along with their driver. Doctors said one of the boys was hit by 10 bullets to the head.

Since January elections in which the radical Hamas ousted Fatah, the traditional dominant force in Palestinian politics, there have been periodic flare-ups of violence between the two sides.

The West, labeling Hamas a terror group, cut off aid to the Palestinian government in March, insisting it must recognize Israel, renounce violence and accept previous peace pacts.

Hamas refuses to take any of those steps, so President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate who was elected separately, has been trying to create a new government with his Fatah party and Hamas in joint control — to no avail.

Another round of violence, triggered by the killing of the children, would contribute to the "chaos that dominates the Gaza scene," said Ron Pundak, director of the Peres Peace Center and one of the authors of the first Israel-Palestinian partial peace agreement in 1993.

In a Nov. 27 policy speech, Olmert appealed to the Palestinians to accept the international conditions and re-enter peace negotiations. If they do, they "will be able to establish an independent and viable Palestinian state, with territorial contiguity in Judea and Samaria, a state with full sovereignty and defined borders," Olmert said, referring to the West Bank by its biblical name.

But Israeli observers said that's unlikely if the internal Palestinian violence continues and the Hamas-led government does not moderate its policies or allow installation of a new, more moderate government.

Analyst Dore Gold, who served as an adviser to former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, said that despite Olmert's offers, the Palestinians are not ready for peace talks.

"Until there is orderly government that takes seriously the security commitments the Palestinians undertook in the past and recognizes Israel's right to exist, negotiations might make nice photo opportunities, but would yield no positive results whatsoever," he said.

However, Pundak said Israel and the West can still save the situation by giving the Palestinians some hope, "not just a declaration of two states, but a clear picture of where it's going — and secondly, a feeling of a quick economic boost."

Then, Pundak said, the Palestinians would take steps to stabilize their internal situation. "When the Palestinians feel it is in their interest, they know how to control the situation. The current cease-fire is an example," he said, referring to a two-week-old truce that has ended five months of Israel-Palestinian violence in Gaza.

[mcpeepants]

Sorry that just doesnt make sence, Israel evacuated gaza, we no longer have a vested interest there, nor would we want to, every pole taken here be it public or political shows this. Hamas however has a great deal to lose since Abbas has called for early elections. Hamas made alot of promises they cannot keep, and with the international hold on funds due to current government make up, you can be sure Hamas will not see another government job other than jamitor at the court house.

One thing Israel does want is peace, this I can tell you as I live here. The ability to send my kids to school and not worry about them, the ability to travel, and enjoy simple things in life. This is what we want.

Israels stills controls Gazas airspace and sea access and the border along with Egypt. If there was no "vested interest" they would not control Gaza's sea access and airspace.

[singern]

Israels stills controls Gazas airspace and sea access and the border along with Egypt. If there was no "vested interest" they would not control Gaza's sea access and airspace.

Gaza is located on the Egypt border, weapons, and drugs smuggling tunnels are found every single day, terrorists cross the soft border every day.
It is imperative that Israel control that border for the most obvious of reasons, however we have no interest or gain by being inside Gaza.

If you knew for a fact that terrorists were coming into the USA from Canada, I assure you the US military would be on that border like ugly on Nasrala.

[singern]

And so it continues,
Here is how Hamas treats those who dare protest the terrorist organization.



Hamas gunmen fire on Fatah protesters


Hamas gunmen opened fire on demonstrators from the rival Fatah movement in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday, wounding four people in the first factional violence following the deaths of three children in a drive-by shooting, officials said.

The demonstration was organized to protest the deaths of the children, whose car was riddled with bullets as they drove to school Monday morning. Fatah officials have accused Hamas of being behind the shooting. The children's father is an intelligence officer and Fatah loyalist who is considered an enemy of Hamas.

[mcpeepants]

Gaza is located on the Egypt border, weapons, and drugs smuggling tunnels are found every single day, terrorists cross the soft border every day.
It is imperative that Israel control that border for the most obvious of reasons, however we have no interest or gain by being inside Gaza.

If you knew for a fact that terrorists were coming into the USA from Canada, I assure you the US military would be on that border like ugly on Nasrala.

My point is that Israel still has great controll of Gaza and with the withdrawal last year, most, not all, of it's citizens are out of the reach of missle fire. Also closing the border makes it harder for Palestinians to sell there goods to the outside and the westbank and go fishing.

[J.S.N.]

Israel evacuated gaza, .

lol.

[singern]

My point is that Israel still has great controll of Gaza and with the withdrawal last year, most, not all, of it's citizens are out of the reach of missle fire. Also closing the border makes it harder for Palestinians to sell there goods to the outside and the westbank and go fishing.

If the terorists would stop, There would be peace.

If Israel will stop, there will be no Israelis.

[singern]

lol.

Fact, not one Israeli lives inside Gaza. Even the military had withdrawn until the recent military incursions into Gaza due to militant attacks, and constant rocket fire at Israeli towns.

You have an opinion, lets here it.

[ecivon]

Fact, not one Israeli lives inside Gaza. Even the military had withdrawn until the recent military incursions into Gaza due to militant attacks, and constant rocket fire at Israeli towns.

You have an opinion, lets here it.

Okay that's basically true Singern, but please detail what the IDF has subjected the Gaza population to on a daily and nightly basis since the disengagement and settlement withdrawal -- even in the absence of Kassim fire.

[mcpeepants]

If the terorists would stop, There would be peace.

If Israel will stop, there will be no Israelis.

Even if they stop firing rockets and suicide bombers, and there has been ceasefires before, illegal settlements and the wall construction have continued and so has control of the access to the sea and air.

[singern]

Okay that's basically true Singern, but please detail what the IDF has subjected the Gaza population to on a daily and nightly basis since the disengagement and settlement withdrawal -- even in the absence of Kassim fire.

Thats the point exactly, there was no absence of Kassam rockets. The evacuation was seen as some sort of Jihadist victory, and that same day they actually increased the number of rockets fired daily into Israel.

The Palestinian pullulation in Gaza is suffering I cannot deny this, but it is a direct result of the terror activities.

If the terrorists stop, there will be peace, and prosperity for both sides..
If Israel stops, there would be no Jews.

[singern]

Even if they stop firing rockets and suicide bombers, and there has been ceasefires before, illegal settlements and the wall construction have continued and so has control of the access to the sea and air.

No.
Quite the reverse, the wall, the checkpoints, the searches, are all a direct result of militant actions, any country on the planet would do the same to protect its citizens. Ceasefire will never work because there will always be some militant that either acts on his own or is secretly directed by a group.

We need a permanent peace, a political and geographical settlement based on painful compromise on both sides. But reality and history show that as long as the Palestinians dont have a unified political body which rules by Law and Justice, no progress will be made.

[mcpeepants]

No.
Quite the reverse, the wall, the checkpoints, the searches, are all a direct result of militant actions, any country on the planet would do the same to protect its citizens. Ceasefire will never work because there will always be some militant that either acts on his own or is secretly directed by a group.

We need a permanent peace, a political and geographical settlement based on painful compromise on both sides. But reality and history show that as long as the Palestinians dont have a unified political body which rules by Law and Justice, no progress will be made.

Well both sides violate ceasefire but during ceasefire there is a reduction in violence which is a start. Ya violence is going to keep going until there is finally a peace settlement. Again, I think the only peace settlement that will work is one, secular democratic state.

[singern]

Well both sides violate ceasefire but during ceasefire there is a reduction in violence which is a start. Ya violence is going to keep going until there is finally a peace settlement. Again, I think the only peace settlement that will work is one, secular democratic state.

Secular yes, but two separate states offering complete and total separation, at least until we all learn to play nice......

We can not allow any religion, and the controlling ideology, and extremism it breeds to control our fate.

[mcpeepants]

Secular yes, but two separate states offering complete and total separation, at least until we all learn to play nice......

We can not allow any religion, and the controlling ideology, and extremism it breeds to control our fate.

Complete seperation can't happen because Gaza and the West Bank are not connected or Israel would have to be disconnected to connect them. Either way there will be problems. Complete integration, like in South Africa, is the only because the land isn't big enough for two states.

[singern]

Complete seperation can't happen because Gaza and the West Bank are not connected or Israel would have to be disconnected to connect them. Either way there will be problems. Complete integration, like in South Africa, is the only because the land isn't big enough for two states.

Actually this is a small detail, the designs for either a bridge or underground tunnel have already been discussed in past negotiations. Jerusalem and right of return are the sensitive issues, but even they pale in comparison in the face of a Palestinian government which refuses to recognize Israels right to exist at all.

[ecivon]

No.
Quite the reverse, the wall, the checkpoints, the searches, are all a direct result of militant actions, any country on the planet would do the same to protect its citizens. Ceasefire will never work because there will always be some militant that either acts on his own or is secretly directed by a group.

We need a permanent peace, a political and geographical settlement based on painful compromise on both sides. But reality and history show that as long as the Palestinians dont have a unified political body which rules by Law and Justice, no progress will be made.

Then conduct all of these checkpoints and searches on the greenline. Get the hell out of the territories.

The only peace that Israel wants is one dictated unilaterally by the Israelis.

And reality and history has shown us that in contravention to Israeli spin, Palestine has no partner in peace. The biggest benefactor from Palestinian discord are the Israelis.

[ecivon]

Secular yes, but two separate states offering complete and total separation, at least until we all learn to play nice......

We can not allow any religion, and the controlling ideology, and extremism it breeds to control our fate.

Sounds like you're talking about yourselves.

[ecivon]

Actually this is a small detail, the designs for either a bridge or underground tunnel have already been discussed in past negotiations. Jerusalem and right of return are the sensitive issues, but even they pale in comparison in the face of a Palestinian government which refuses to recognize Israels right to exist at all.

There are a lot of jews that don't recognize the right of Israel to exist. You come into my neighborhood and into my home and do to me what you all did to the Palestinian's and I'd say the same thing: You don't have the right to exist in my neighborhood.

[ecivon]

Tell me something Singern. What is your opinion of Arabs? Are they the equal of jews? Do you truthfully believe the 'Wall' is solely a security measure, or is it a political move to annex more Palestinian land? If you believe it is a security measure why didn't Israel build it along the greenline?

And if Israel is so interested in peace and the Road Map, why has settlement construction expanded so rapidly in the past three years?

Do you believe in Eretz Yisrael? Do you think Israel is 'entitled' to all of Judea and Samaria?

[mcpeepants]

Actually this is a small detail, the designs for either a bridge or underground tunnel have already been discussed in past negotiations. Jerusalem and right of return are the sensitive issues, but even they pale in comparison in the face of a Palestinian government which refuses to recognize Israels right to exist at all.

You would either have to construct a bridge or tunnel that is 25 miles to connect the terrorities which is not a small detail or feet. The complete seperation is foolish. It doesn't deal with the fact that many of the Palestinian refugees are from Israel proper not the West Bank or Gaza. The complete seperation is similar to the homeland system used by South Africa where it divided land for white, blacks, and others. A racially divided state didn't work in South Africa and a doubt it will work in Israel. One state can work in Israel but it will take time for wounds to heal just like in South Africa.

[ecivon]

You would either have to construct a bridge or tunnel that is 25 miles to connect the terrorities which is not a small detail or feet. The complete seperation is foolish. It doesn't deal with the fact that many of the Palestinian refugees are from Israel proper not the West Bank or Gaza. The complete seperation is similar to the homeland system used by South Africa where it divided land for white, blacks, and others. A racially divided state didn't work in South Africa and a doubt it will work in Israel. One state can work in Israel but it will take time for wounds to heal just like in South Africa.

The jews are/were actually seriously studying this.. At least at one time they had been. But it may have been a ploy to skirt the issue of justifying 'jews only' roads that exist throughout the West Bank.

[mcpeepants]

The jews are/were actually seriously studying this.. At least at one time they had been. But it may have been a ploy to skirt the issue of justifying 'jews only' roads that exist throughout the West Bank.

That idea would of blown up in there face because those sign would be no different than "colored fountain" or "white train car". A bridge would make impossible for the media ignore what's happening to the Palestinians. But then again, the media is wearing pretty thick blinds.

[ecivon]

That idea would of blown up in there face because those sign would be no different than "colored fountain" or "white train car". A bridge would make impossible for the media ignore what's happening to the Palestinians. But then again, the media is wearing pretty thick blinds.

Jews only roads have existed for a long time. A bridge, or tunnel never would have been built, but not because of Israeli concern for whether the world would have perceived Israel as a racist state. The entire world knows that Israel is a racist and apartheid state and does absolutely nothing about it.

All this talk about Israel being a democratic country is all BS -- it is solely for jews, but not for any other demographic group.

Everyone in the world knows what the jews are doing to the Palestinians but can't do a thing about it as most media centers are controlled by jews, therefore reporting and editotial content and that one dissenting vote on issues before the UN Security Council kills any on the table resolution(s). Hence, with the US solidly in the crotch of Israel, nothing will ever be done to ease the plight of a totally defenseless people(s).

[J.S.N.]

Jews only roads have existed for a long time. A bridge, or tunnel never would have been built, but not because of Israeli concern for whether the world would have perceived Israel as a racist state. The entire world knows that Israel is a racist and apartheid state and does absolutely nothing about it.

All this talk about Israel being a democratic country is all BS -- it is solely for jews, but not for any other demographic group.

Everyone in the world knows what the jews are doing to the Palestinians but can't do a thing about it as most media centers are controlled by jews, therefore reporting and editotial content and that one dissenting vote on issues before the UN Security Council kills any on the table resolution(s). Hence, with the US solidly in the crotch of Israel, nothing will ever be done to ease the plight of a totally defenseless people(s).

most americans don't. the palestinians are always portrayed as the heels who are responsible for all hostilities since they dressed up like romans and kicked the jews out in the time of hadrian.

[mcpeepants]

Jews only roads have existed for a long time. A bridge, or tunnel never would have been built, but not because of Israeli concern for whether the world would have perceived Israel as a racist state. The entire world knows that Israel is a racist and apartheid state and does absolutely nothing about it.

All this talk about Israel being a democratic country is all BS -- it is solely for jews, but not for any other demographic group.

Everyone in the world knows what the jews are doing to the Palestinians but can't do a thing about it as most media centers are controlled by jews, therefore reporting and editotial content and that one dissenting vote on issues before the UN Security Council kills any on the table resolution(s). Hence, with the US solidly in the crotch of Israel, nothing will ever be done to ease the plight of a totally defenseless people(s).

"with the US solidly in the crotch of Israel". that pretty much sums everything up.

[singern]

Sounds like you're talking about yourselves.

It's obvious you are unable to add anything constructive or interesting to this thread.

[singern]

There are a lot of jews that don't recognize the right of Israel to exist. You come into my neighborhood and into my home and do to me what you all did to the Palestinian's and I'd say the same thing: You don't have the right to exist in my neighborhood.

Then its a good thing its not your neighborhood or your home.
Its mine.

[J.S.N.]

Then its a good thing its not your neighborhood or your home.
Its mine.

sieg heil

[singern]

Tell me something Singern. What is your opinion of Arabs? Are they the equal of jews? Do you truthfully believe the 'Wall' is solely a security measure, or is it a political move to annex more Palestinian land? If you believe it is a security measure why didn't Israel build it along the greenline?

And if Israel is so interested in peace and the Road Map, why has settlement construction expanded so rapidly in the past three years?

Do you believe in Eretz Yisrael? Do you think Israel is 'entitled' to all of Judea and Samaria?

Obviously you have never read any of my posts,
I am a Jew and I live in Israel, by definition alone that makes me a zionist. I will not debate with you the right of Jews to live in Israel or exist at all, since you obviously have a different view on that.

The success avoiding terror proves the security wall is proving itself day after day, the checkpoint have proven themselves day after day. You dont see the news that we see, the daily footage of children and women caught at checkpoints with bombs and other weapons. The gunfights between Hamas and Fatah, You are clueless to the reality on the ground here. Nasrala and Ahmenajad have painted a fictional picture and shoved it up Mohameds ass for your consumption.
I speak out against violent fanatical extremism, and the twisted butchers who pervert religion (yes Islam in particular) to justify a political agenda with no Merritt.

I am a strong supporter of Palestinian rights, and the right to an independent country, but I can not allow it to come at the hand of a terrorist, and I will always speak out against those who kill for the sake of killing, with a goal of derailing every peace opportunity between our peoples.




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[singern]

But it may have been a ploy to skirt the issue of justifying 'jews only' roads that exist throughout the West Bank.

Is this what Nasrala teaches you? Is this the kind of Idiotic flatulence Ahmenajad has shoved down your throat.

Lets make a deal, you show me where such a "Jew only" road exists, if you cannot I will ask that you shut the **** up.

[singern]

sieg heil

Great debating skills, Your mommy must be very proud.

[ecivon]

Then its a good thing its not your neighborhood or your home.
Its mine.

No, no one will ever be allowed to do that. You come on my property to take it, or abuse any part of it, or look at my kids malevolently and it'll be the sorriest and last thing you'll ever do.

[ecivon]

Obviously you have never read any of my posts,
I am a Jew and I live in Israel, by definition alone that makes me a zionist. I will not debate with you the right of Jews to live in Israel or exist at all, since you obviously have a different view on that.

The success avoiding terror proves the security wall is proving itself day after day, the checkpoint have proven themselves day after day. You dont see the news that we see, the daily footage of children and women caught at checkpoints with bombs and other weapons. The gunfights between Hamas and Fatah, You are clueless to the reality on the ground here. Nasrala and Ahmenajad have painted a fictional picture and shoved it up Mohameds ass for your consumption.
I speak out against violent fanatical extremism, and the twisted butchers who pervert religion (yes Islam in particular) to justify a political agenda with no Merritt.

I am a strong supporter of Palestinian rights, and the right to an independent country, but I can not allow it to come at the hand of a terrorist, and I will always speak out against those who kill for the sake of killing, with a goal of derailing every peace opportunity between our peoples..

Typical jewish answer. Avoid answering the question with a reply to an imaginary question.

Q. What is your personal opinion of Arabs and Palestinian's specifically?

Q. As a jew, how do you justify building the 'security wall' (as jews call it)
on Palestinian land and not following the green line?

Q. If the checkpoints are to protect jews from the Palestinians why are they
dispersed throughout the West Bank on Palestinian property instead of
next to the green line? Jews have no business in the West Bank so there
shouldn't be a need to protect jews within the West Bank.

And it's idiotic to make a statement that claims because you live in Israel you're a zionist. There are lots of jews in Israel who are not zionists.

The gunfights between Fatah and Hamas? Hamas has denounced the murder of the children that precipitated this escalation -- and no one should believe for a second that the Metsada couldn't have done it, or had it done. Israel is the biggest benefactor of in-fighting amongst the Palestinian's as it gives them yet another excuse not to deal with the PA. That would mean peace and giving up the insane 'river to the sea' mantra.

Is that right? You speak out against fanatical extremism and twisted butcher's who pervert religion to justify a political agenda with no merit?
You've just described zionism and the settler's movement.