12-year-old boy undergoes sex change...

[Logan13]

12-year-old boy undergoes sex change...
01/29/07
telegraph.uk
A boy of 12 is believed to have become the world's youngest sex change patient after convincing doctors that he wanted to live the rest of his life as a female.

The boy - originally called Tim, but now known as Kim - has started to receive hormone treatment, in preparation for the operation that will eventually complete the sex change.

Tim was diagnosed as a transsexual two years ago, when doctors and psychiatrists concluded that his claims to be "in the wrong body" were so deeply felt that he required treatment. The therapy involves artificially arresting male puberty, with a series of potent hormone injections before the administration of female hormones to initiate the development of features such as breasts.

advertisementNow aged 14, and officially registered as a female, Kim looks like a typical girl of her age. She dresses in fashionable clothes, has long blonde hair and blue eyes and dreams of moving to Paris to become a fashion designer. Her parents, who initially assumed their son was going through a temporary phase, eventually grew accustomed to seeing him as a girl.

The family's full identity has not been made public. But Kim's father, known as Lutz P. – speaking to the German publications Der Spiegel and Stern – said that as a child, the boy liked to play with Barbie dolls, enjoyed wearing dresses and, from the age of two, insisted that he was a girl. "We saw Kim as a girl, but not as a problem. Our life was surprisingly normal."

Kim reacted badly to the first signs of puberty, he said. "At that stage we realised that she was terrified of growing facial hair and her voice breaking."

Kim's parents consulted psychiatrists across Germany. Some condemned their support of their child's desire to undergo a sex change, or suggested that Kim be kept under observation in a closed psychiatric ward. But others agreed that the child should receive therapy, because growing up to be a man would have damaged her personality.

Dr Bern Meyenburg, the head of a clinic for children and adolescents with identity disturbances at Frankfurt University, concluded that the child was serious. He wrote in his diagnosis: "Kim is a mentally well-developed child who appears happy and balanced. There is no doubt of the determined wish, that was already detectable since early childhood. It would have been very wrong to let Kim grow up to be a man. It is rare to have such a clear-cut case."

Kim is reportedly fully accepted by her fellow school pupils and teachers. The costs of the procedure are being covered by health insurance, as the condition qualifies as an illness.

Dr Achim Wuesthof, an endocrinologist specialising in children and adolescents, who is treating the teenager at a clinic in Hamburg, said the procedure had been a success so far. Speaking to The Sunday Telegraph, he said that even though under-16s were not permitted to undergo a sex change in other countries, he and his colleagues felt that in this case it had been best to start earlier. He said: "To the best of my knowledge, Kim is the youngest sex change patient in the world. According to German law, two independent psychiatrists must confirm that the child is indeed transsexual and approve the sex change. Once that has been done, it is best to start as early as possible.

"Transsexuals experience the onset of puberty, and the physical changes it brings, as a serious trauma. But there is a general lack of empathy with cases like Kim's, mostly because people know little about the condition. Imagine a man that suddenly starts growing breasts or a woman that starts growing a beard against their will – that is how Kim and people like her experience puberty.

"They are not freaks, nor do they suffer mental illness. They are simply trapped in the wrong bodies. That is why it is best to help them as early as possible and reduce the trauma for them and their families."

The problem that Dr Meyenburg and other psychiatrists faced was distinguishing a true transsexual personality from a temporary gender identity crisis. Dr Meyenburg quoted an example of a 15-year-old girl who wanted to change her sex, but who revealed during counselling that she had suffered brutal sexual abuse by her father – a case for psychological, rather than hormonal therapy.

Should Kim change her mind before the surgery, the procedure could be reversed. Doctors admit that the treatment involves a risk, however, and that its effects on children as young as Kim are not fully understood.

For legal reasons, the final stage – cosmetic surgery to remove the male genitalia – cannot take place until Kim is 18. Britain's youngest transsexual is Angel Paris-Jordan, who was granted an operation on the NHS at the age of 17.

[biglouie250]

these doctors should lose their license. a 12yr old?? some discretion has to be used. and his parents are nuts as well.

[Tock]

If the kid is absolutely certain he's gotta have it, I figure, why not?
If it turns out later that he thinks he made a mistake, well, he'll be miserable. But if he's likely to be miserable for years and years because he didn't have the surgery, may as well go ahead and do it.

Either way, I'm sure those folks have a much better take on what needs to be done than anyone here . . . And there's no reason for the government (rarely known to be a source of wisdom) to intervene.

[Kärnfysikern]

I guess if he/she/it regrets it before he turns 18(before he has snipped of the family jewels) he can always just remove the massive bitch tits he got and go to test instead and become a manly man.

[Haro3]

i pitty the guy that takes him home one night AHAHAHHAHAHA

[J.S.N.]

i pitty the guy that takes him home one night AHAHAHHAHAHA

i envy him.












j/k

[Peducho0113]

I do give credit to doctors for going so far with medicine but I also think this is case where both the Kid and the parents have to sure of what they think is best for the kid. I think all of them have to be under a lot of pressure and stress just thinking about all this. Now I just wish the boy/girl can have a normal life and be happy with him/herself now.

[Logan13]

I do give credit to doctors for going so far with medicine but I also think this is case where both the Kid and the parents have to sure of what they think is best for the kid. I think all of them have to be under a lot of pressure and stress just thinking about all this. Now I just wish the boy/girl can have a normal life and be happy with him/herself now.

this kid will never have a normal life..............

[J.S.N.]

"the only normal people are the ones you don't know very well" - joe ancis

[Haro3]

hell he/she will have more of a normal life than that poor two headed girl that someone posted a video of. the twins...man i still feel bad for those girls.

[Logan13]

hell he/she will have more of a normal life than that poor two headed girl that someone posted a video of. the twins...man i still feel bad for those girls.

yes, that is very sad!

[spywizard]

what is the suicide rate for these people??

[Tock]

Originally Posted by Peducho0113
I do give credit to doctors for going so far with medicine but I also think this is case where both the Kid and the parents have to sure of what they think is best for the kid. I think all of them have to be under a lot of pressure and stress just thinking about all this. Now I just wish the boy/girl can have a normal life and be happy with him/herself now.

this kid will never have a normal life..............

He'll have a good shot at it as long as other people can mind their own business and not make a mountain out of this molehill . . .

[Logan13]

Originally Posted by Peducho0113
I do give credit to doctors for going so far with medicine but I also think this is case where both the Kid and the parents have to sure of what they think is best for the kid. I think all of them have to be under a lot of pressure and stress just thinking about all this. Now I just wish the boy/girl can have a normal life and be happy with him/herself now.



He'll have a good shot at it as long as other people can mind their own business and not make a mountain out of this molehill . . .

how does a 12 YO know any better though? Hell, maybe they will let a 12 YO girl who is unhappy with the current size of her chest get breast implants now as well..........

[J.S.N.]

how does a 42 year old know any better for that matter?

the only part of this i don't agree with is that the state pays for it's operation. wtf so if i want pec implants and live in germany the taxpayers fund that? ghey.

[Bigen12]

If the kid is absolutely certain he's gotta have it, I figure, why not?
If it turns out later that he thinks he made a mistake, well, he'll be miserable. But if he's likely to be miserable for years and years because he didn't have the surgery, may as well go ahead and do it.

Think back to when you were 12, what did you want in life, how much has that changed?

For my experience I didn't have a clue what I wanted or was truly good for me. What is important in my life has changed at least every 10 years.

Besides there is no reason to hurry things up. According to the law he can't be sexualy active until he's an adult. Until then how does what he has in his pants matter?

Don't get me wrong, once he's an adult, I totally support what ever decision he would make.

But I agree with JSN the government has no business paying for any of this.

Either way, I'm sure those folks have a much better take on what needs to be done than anyone here . . . And there's no reason for the government (rarely known to be a source of wisdom) to intervene.

Really?
How about the religious nuts who refuse to get their children doctors care, and it costs the child it's life?

how does a 42 year old know any better for that matter?

At least as an adult he will have the benefit of 18 years of experience.

12 years old 5th maybe 6th grade in school, what type of responsibility is a 12 year old able to handle? Most can't even be relied on to take our the trash on a regular basis.

i envy him.

The others might believe that you are joking.....

But I know you aren't big boy!

[J.S.N.]

hey don't get me wrong i love trannies as much as the next guy but this kid is plain ugly




silliness aside, it's fallacious to believe that we know what's best for ourselves when get older because as we get older, not only do we tend to have a more cemented thought structure, but memories lead us to believe that we've experienced everything before in a manner that all culminates in the present, even though our current present will be just another ill-remembered micro-point of many in ten years (or whenever).

i could also attack the arbitrarity of the 18th birthday of the eighteenth birthday (i'm not sure what the german age of majority is anyways), or fact that we tend to "flip-flop" on our decisions no matter what, but i
ll just leave them are points to ponder.

[scriptfactory]

how does a 42 year old know any better for that matter?

the only part of this i don't agree with is that the state pays for it's operation. wtf so if i want pec implants and live in germany the taxpayers fund that? ghey.

I'm pretty sure the only reason the German government is letting the boy get this surgery is they believe it will cause him to become severly unstable (mentally) if he doesn't have it. This means it's an operation for a medical reason and is covered under this kid's medical insurance. If you had gyno and it was causing you pain (mentally or especially physically) your medical insurance would probably cover it in Germany.

[rafael]

what else are these ppl gonna come up with to get attention..lol

[J.S.N.]

I'm pretty sure the only reason the German government is letting the boy get this surgery is they believe it will cause him to become severly unstable (mentally) if he doesn't have it. This means it's an operation for a medical reason and is covered under this kid's medical insurance. If you had gyno and it was causing you pain (mentally or especially physically) your medical insurance would probably cover it in Germany.

hmm good point. on that note when i get married, hopefully it will be to a german woman who's bust size will be causing her mental anguish so she can get state silone (not saline, silidone) implants. lebe deutschland!

[Bigen12]

it's fallacious to believe that we know what's best for ourselves when get older because as we get older, not only do we tend to have a more cemented thought structure, but memories lead us to believe that we've experienced everything before in a manner that all culminates in the present, even though our current present will be just another ill-remembered micro-point of many in ten years (or whenever).

I understand your point, but part of being a parent is protecting your children from their bad or uninformed decisions i.e. from keeping an infant from falling down stairs, not alowing a 10 year old to have a bee bee gun that they'll shoot their eyes out with or eating ice cream and pizza at every meal, to keeping a short leash on your 16 year old daughter.

i could also attack the arbitrarity of the 18th birthday of the eighteenth birthday (i'm not sure what the german age of majority is anyways), or fact that we tend to "flip-flop" on our decisions no matter what, but i
ll just leave them are points to ponder.

I agree with you in the arbitrarity of the 18th birthday, there are many that are informed adults at that age, and others that are still children.

Personally my experience with 4 teenagers that I've raised, 2 of which are now above the age of 18, I like the age of 21 much better myself.

[J.S.N.]

trust me man there is no way i'm going to be in favor of a sex change for my kid- **** that shit. rationality goes out the window when it's your life lol.

[Tock]

how does a 12 YO know any better though? Hell, maybe they will let a 12 YO girl who is unhappy with the current size of her chest get breast implants now as well..........

I'm not saying that anyone knows for sure, but the kid and his parents and the doctor know better than you or I, or the government.

IMHO, leave 'em alone, stay out of other folk's business, and let 'em do what they think is best. If they discover later on that they made a mistake, so what? Not everyone claims to be perfect, unlike some folks I know . . .

[Conan the Librarian]

Everything Bigen12 said is EXACTLY 100% dead-on balls accurate.

That shit is frightening. 12 year olds should not be cutting off their genitals, which is in my opinion, kinda major. People change their minds about their sexual preferences over time, (which is of course rare as hell) so this shit is stupid. Ask David Bowie, and my mom. J/k. They BOTH used to like the cock.

And when I read the article on drudge, it was next to the article about the prozac taking cat, so me and my girlfriend decided the world is ending as now.

[J.S.N.]

didn't you read the article? s/he can't get them chopped off until 18. seems stupid anyways a real tranny has a cack.

[KAEW44]

Watch out whoever takes him to Prom!! getting lucky that night could mean you getting penetrated!!!!

Anyway getting a little OT but why is it that every single and i mean EVERY SINGLE feminine-gay or transexual want to be a fashion designer??? I saw the MTV show one time about young people being trapped in the "wrong body" and all of them wanted to be fashion designers!
HBO show..same thing! Now this guy...same thing!! They say they want to be women but inside they are sexist because they relate being a female to "MUST WORK PRETTY GIRLY STUFF" !!
Why cant any of them dream to be a doctor or an architect? Why do all our clothes have to be designed by Shemales??

[KAEW44]

.

I'd hit it

[scriptfactory]

Watch out whoever takes him to Prom!! getting lucky that night could mean you getting penetrated!!!!

Anyway getting a little OT but why is it that every single and i mean EVERY SINGLE feminine-gay or transexual want to be a fashion designer??? I saw the MTV show one time about young people being trapped in the "wrong body" and all of them wanted to be fashion designers!
HBO show..same thing! Now this guy...same thing!! They say they want to be women but inside they are sexist because they relate being a female to "MUST WORK PRETTY GIRLY STUFF" !!
Why cant any of them dream to be a doctor or an architect? Why do all our clothes have to be designed by Shemales??

There are plenty of straight (both male and female) designers. I think the reason most "feminine" gay males and transexuals don't pursue more mainstream careers is simply the fact that the majority of people don't accept them really. How many people do you know that would hire a super feminine gay lawyer? The same thing with doctors.

[J.S.N.]

almost all clothing designers in american are jewish, not gay.