Conspiracy Theories

[singern]

Conspiracy theories not only distort events but breed both ignorance and violence. Here are some great examples:

Jews Were Behind the September 1st-3rd Chechen Beslan School Attack: Dozens of religious, political, and media personalities from the Middle East have blamed the Beslan attack on Jews and Israelis. Ali A**ullah, a conservative Bahraini religious scholar, claimed on September 5, 2004 that Israelis - not Muslims - were behind the attack, as part of an effort to "tarnish the image of Muslims."


Israel Stealing Body Parts of Palestinian Children: Iran's Sahar 1 TV is currently airing a weekly series that premiered on December 13 called "Zahra's Blue Eyes." The show includes graphic scenes of Palestinian children whose eyes have been surgically removed and stolen by Israel.

U.S. Soldiers Stealing Organs from Iraqis: In the Saudi daily Al-Watan on December 22, an article by Fakhriya Ahmad alleges that, based on European secret military reports, U.S. personnel in Iraq are stealing human organs: "The reports confirm the finding of tens of thousands of mutilated cadavers missing parts… These teams offer $40 for every usable kidney and $25 for an eye…" The report also appeared in the Syrian daily Teshreen and in Iran's Jomhour-ye Islami.



IMO:
The only danger greater than the idiots who make this stuff up is the fools who believe them.

[singern]

Post your favorite idio-theories, here are some of mine:


Apollo 11 Moon Landings were faked by NASA
Proponents of the Apollo moon landing hoax accusations allege that the Apollo Moon Landings never took place, and were faked by NASA with possible CIA support. Enthusiasts of this theory claim that:
The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation
The photos were altered: the Crosshairs on some photos appear to be behind objects, rather than in front of them where they should be
The quality of the photographs is implausibly high.
There are no stars in any of the photos, and astronauts never report seeing any stars from the capsule windows.
Identical backgrounds in photos that are listed as taken miles apart.
The moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that camera film would have melted.
No blast crater appeared from the landing
The launch rocket produced no visible flame.


U.S. military caused the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami
Popular Arab news services claim the U.S. and Indian militaries deliberately caused the Indian Ocean tsunamis with electromagnetic pulse technology.
Another type of theory bases its claims on oil and gas interests. Others also reason that the technology is at least feasible if not highly probable since research into such technology has been conducted by the military as far back as World War II.


There are so many good ones.......

[Kärnfysikern]

The fake apollo landing is the winner in my book.
I guess "bush took down the twin towers" is also up there.

The one about the bush family beeing part of a race of shape shifting aliens is quite amusing aswell

[singern]

"bush took down the twin towers" is also up there.

You mean he didnt ????????

[J.S.N.]

i like the one about the iraqis planning to attack the united states with weapons of mass destruction.

[singern]

Yakuza Caused Katrina
Weatherman Scott Stevens claims that "Japanese gangsters known as the Yakuza caused Hurricane Katrina." after looking at NASA satellite photos of the hurricane, he is convinced it was caused by electromagnetic generators from ground-based microwave transmitters. The generators emit a soundwave between three and 30 megahertz and Stevens claims the Russians invented the storm-creating technology back in 1976 and sold it to others in the late 1980s.

International Jewish Conspiracy
All true conspiracy wackos know that there's an international Jewish conspiracy to control the world, but they may not have realized that this conspiracy has its own website, appropriately called InternationalJewishConspiracy.com. Obviously the site is a spoof, and pretty funny. But still, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be wearing one of the 'International Jewish Conspiracy' t-shirts they sell.


Then there are the "Illuminati" stories, but you know what, I think Ill leave them for another thread

[Logan13]

i like the one about the iraqis planning to attack the united states with weapons of mass destruction.

If you have to make shit up, your arguement must have been weak to begin with......
Regardless, I never heard that one. Only the one that if Fundamentalist countries got their hands on nukes, they would give it to their fundamentalist/terrorists allies in order to increase their ability to spread Jihad.

[juicedOUTbrain]

If you have to make shit up, your arguement must have been weak to begin with......
Regardless, I never heard that one. Only the one that if Fundamentalist countries got their hands on nukes, they would give it to their fundamentalist/terrorists allies in order to increase their ability to spread Jihad.

Wait, so your willing to argue that Iraq was getting ready to attack the US? Or that they had nukes? Too bad the furthest reaching missile we found couldnt even hit Israel let alone the US. And BTW Saddam was secular not fundamentalist...

But anyway as for conspiracy theories, heres my favorite one:

We know everything that goes on, and absolutely nothing goes on behind the scenes without us having full knowledge of it

Thats my favorite conspiracy...seriously dont you guys realize how stupid you sound when you say things like this...I guess in order for some people to feel good about themselves they need to feel in total control of everything...

I dont claim i know everything or that any theory i believe in is 100% correct...but one thing I DO know, is that i dont know everything, and a little speculation is healthy as long as there is some evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to support it...

[SVTMuscle*]

The government being behind 9/11 is my favorite because that has the most idiots believing it.

[singern]

The government being behind 9/11 is my favorite because that has the most idiots believing it.

There is no shortage of idiots, and plenty of conspiracy to go around.......

[HardBastard]

Yakuza Caused Katrina
Weatherman Scott Stevens claims that "Japanese gangsters known as the Yakuza caused Hurricane Katrina." after looking at NASA satellite photos of the hurricane, he is convinced it was caused by electromagnetic generators from ground-based microwave transmitters. The generators emit a soundwave between three and 30 megahertz and Stevens claims the Russians invented the storm-creating technology back in 1976 and sold it to others in the late 1980s.

International Jewish Conspiracy
All true conspiracy wackos know that there's an international Jewish conspiracy to control the world, but they may not have realized that this conspiracy has its own website, appropriately called InternationalJewishConspiracy.com. Obviously the site is a spoof, and pretty funny. But still, I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be wearing one of the 'International Jewish Conspiracy' t-shirts they sell.


Then there are the "Illuminati" stories, but you know what, I think Ill leave them for another thread

many intelligent and succesful people believe in the jewish conspiracy.

henry ford , walt disney if you take a look at the protocols of zion and look around it makes you wonder.

[Kärnfysikern]

I got a winner
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/

http://educate-yourself.org/ct/#intro

[Logan13]

Wait, so your willing to argue that Iraq was getting ready to attack the US? Or that they had nukes? Too bad the furthest reaching missile we found couldnt even hit Israel let alone the US. And BTW Saddam was secular not fundamentalist...

But anyway as for conspiracy theories, heres my favorite one:

We know everything that goes on, and absolutely nothing goes on behind the scenes without us having full knowledge of it

Thats my favorite conspiracy...seriously dont you guys realize how stupid you sound when you say things like this...I guess in order for some people to feel good about themselves they need to feel in total control of everything...

I dont claim i know everything or that any theory i believe in is 100% correct...but one thing I DO know, is that i dont know everything, and a little speculation is healthy as long as there is some evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, to support it...

that kind of shit only belongs on the Art Bell show and in the Enquirer.......but wait, Men In Black said that the Enquirer was a top source of information, so it must be true........

[3Vandoo]

that kind of shit only belongs on the Art Bell show and in the Enquirer.......but wait, Men In Black said that the Enquirer was a top source of information, so it must be true........

Coast to Coast AM with Noory now!

and ps: Russians control the weather!!!!!!!!!

[singern]

many intelligent and succesful people believe in the jewish conspiracy.

henry ford , walt disney if you take a look at the protocols of zion and look around it makes you wonder.

How intelligent could they have been? How intelligent can anyone be who takes a fictional book and treats it as reality?
Ignorance, prejudice, and intolerance are the basic food groups of conspiracy nuts, and those who who are hungry enough to believe them.

[ecivon]

How intelligent could they have been? How intelligent can anyone be who takes a fictional book and treats it as reality?
Ignorance, prejudice, and intolerance are the basic food groups of conspiracy nuts, and those who who are hungry enough to believe them.

I don't like zionism, to me it is a detestable lament on the jews that follow it. If it was lived as it was posited by Herzl, then it would be one thing, but in its prostituted form it does not serve the interests of Israel very well at all. For a very long time people have quoted, or talked about the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion, yet to my knowledge no copy, or volume has ever turned up anywhere. If it existed, surely a copy would exist somewhere. There's a lot of anti-semites in the world and if they had a copy they'd certainly go to great lengths to make it public to discredit jews and zionism. Not that zionism in its current and practised form needs any help.

[juicedOUTbrain]

that kind of shit only belongs on the Art Bell show and in the Enquirer.......but wait, Men In Black said that the Enquirer was a top source of information, so it must be true........

I dont understand what you mean? I said sarcastically that "we know everything that goes on, and nothing goes on behind the scence" as being my favorite conspiracy....many people think that nothing goes on behind the scenes, thats as ridiculous a statement as saying, "thats russians have a weather machine"...

Of course things go on behind the scenes...of course we dont know everything...thats why a little speculation into that world of the unseen is healthy, as long as its founded on some sort of evidence, or fact, circumstantial or not...

again i was being sarcastic

[J.S.N.]

How intelligent could they have been? How intelligent can anyone be who takes a fictional book and treats it as reality?
Ignorance, prejudice, and intolerance are the basic food groups of conspiracy nuts, and those who who are hungry enough to believe them.

actually i've found that the most intelligent white philosophers have tended to dislike jewish influence; i'm talking unquestionable geniuses like wagner, nietzsche, and voltaire.

[thekaydense]

at this thead.

no matter what you believe, there is always going to be just as many people who agree and/or disagree with you on certain matters. there is also loads of evidence on both sides of every issue. evidence that proves the point. now one side has to providing false evidence. imo it goes both ways. conspiracy theorist fabricate evidence as much as right wingers. everyone wants to prove their point. but often the answer is who has the most to gain.

my two cents.

[DTBusta]

wow juicedout, looks like the military should put a nice big recruitment add on this site,cause Bush's 30% base is definitly here bigtime!

[DTBusta]

the conspiracy is that the government has people like you being comfortable with not knowing your head from your ass. Of course theres both sides to every story, unfortunately for you...you can't research it enough to find fact from fiction. Let me help you...Iraq has wmd=fiction..Iraq had Alqueda before 9/11=fiction...Bush owned successful oil companies=fiction both went bankrupt..is to... our national debt being maxed out...FACT now..Bush amended the constitution called the Military commisions Act 2006 in which he revoked Habeas Corpus and can now arrest any citizen, not tell them why and not tell their loved ones, try them in a military tribunal based on what the courts call evidence=Fact ..Bush signed 'No child left behind' and then when it came to funding the bill he didn't, thus keeping thousands of children behind=fact, The Us funded Osama to set up fighters(Taliban) to keep the Soviets out of Afghanistan=fact why?because the Us wanted the large quantities of poppy for itself...Afghanistan largest natural drug resource and largest producer of...you got it Opium. Yay , no conspiracy there...just fact my man. So if 9/11 wasn't set up then by all means we created the monster anyway, hey we were losing control of the Taliban, strictly business right? thats how our gov't works...They just wanted control of the Opium back to fund their black ops...and wanted Iraq for its oil....Man thats a conspiracy if I ever heard of one and its all fact....Not contested.

[thekaydense]

the conspiracy is that the government has people like you being comfortable with not knowing your head from your ass. Of course theres both sides to every story, unfortunately for you...you can't research it enough to find fact from fiction. Let me help you...Iraq has wmd=fiction..Iraq had Alqueda before 9/11=fiction...Bush owned successful oil companies=fiction both went bankrupt..is to... our national debt being maxed out...FACT now..Bush amended the constitution called the Military commisions Act 2006 in which he revoked Habeas Corpus and can now arrest any citizen, not tell them why and not tell their loved ones, try them in a military tribunal based on what the courts call evidence=Fact ..Bush signed 'No child left behind' and then when it came to funding the bill he didn't, thus keeping thousands of children behind=fact, The Us funded Osama to set up fighters(Taliban) to keep the Soviets out of Afghanistan=fact why?because the Us wanted the large quantities of poppy for itself...Afghanistan largest natural drug resource and largest producer of...you got it Opium. Yay , no conspiracy there...just fact my man. So if 9/11 wasn't set up then by all means we created the monster anyway, hey we were losing control of the Taliban, strictly business right? thats how our gov't works...They just wanted control of the Opium back to fund their black ops...and wanted Iraq for its oil....Man thats a conspiracy if I ever heard of one and its all fact....Not contested.

ive honestly never heard of the military commisions act. thats freakin crazy.

[juicedOUTbrain]

Not 100% sure if 9-11 was an inside job or not...but their are questions that definately raise eyebrows....Calling someone an idiot is just showing a lack of understanding for whom benefitted from 9-11 the the most, wanted or not...lets take a look at a few FACTS...again im not tieing anything together...

Lets start off with Jeb Bush, before 9-11 Jeb Bush was involved in many think tanks, and policy groups. One group in which he was a member, Project for a New American Century wrote a paper called Rebuilding Americas Defences in late 2000...Heres a now famous quote from that paper.

"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor."

Source (pg51)...

Now what about Marvin P Bush? The little known youngest Bush Brother. What was he doing on 9-11? Turns out running a security company with his cousin Wirt Walker III called Stratesec. Stratesec a large security company, funded by the Kuwait- American group turned out to being running security for the WTC complex, Dulles International Airport( where flight 77 took off from), and United Airlines (all the 9-11 planes)...According to Barbara Bushs Memoir, Marvin happened to be in NYC on 9-11...

From Wikipedia
He was a director of the Sterling, Virginia company Securacom, also known as Stratesec, from 1993 until fiscal year 2000. The Securacom/Stratesec company was publicly traded and backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corporation. In 1996 Marvin Bush had 53,000 shares in the company's stock he bought at 52 cents a share. In 1997 the stock sold for $8.50 a share. Marvin Bush was no longer listed as a shareholder by the end of 2000. The chairman of the board of Stratesec is Wirt Walker, a cousin of Marvin and George W. Bush. Stratasec had contracts to provide security for United Airlines, Dulles International Airport (the airport from which American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon, took off), and the World Trade Center in New York at the time of the September 11, 2001 attacks

Source

Interesting, but what about George HW Bush? Turns out his firm, the caryle group was meeting with Bin-Ladens brother just a few miles away from the pentagon at the time of the attack? Really? The Carlye Group ( whoms members include members of bin-ladens family) was set to make billions in contracts as the defence spending increased with his son at the helm...

From the Guardian
Within a month of 11 September last year, Carlucci was meeting with Rumsfeld and his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, and 10 days later offered an assessment which exactly predicted the endless-war scenario: 'We as Americans,' he said, 'have to recognise that terrorism is more or less a permanent situation.'

'What's the secret?' chided William Conway, a co-founder of the group. 'I don't think we have any secrets. We are a group of businessmen who have made a huge amount of money for our investors.' 'I never bought into this conspiracy theory about the Bush family, the energy companies or the Carlyle Group,' says Michael King, seasoned political editor of the Austin Chronicle , who has observed the phenomenon for decades. 'It is perfectly clear what they're aiming at from what they do in public: managing the global economy to their own advantage, and doing a pretty good job of it.'

On 11 September, while Al-Qaeda's planes slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the Carlyle Group hosted a conference at a Washington hotel. Among the guests of honour was a valued investor: Shafig bin Laden, brother to Osama.

Source

Meanwhile George W, was in Florida, sitting in a class room, unprotected, when he knew the country was under attack? Why wasnt he scared? interesting...

Than we have to look at the owner and leasholder of the WTC complex, Larry Silversterin, a long time friend of the Bush Falimy...He purchased the WTCs in July of 2001, just six weeks before the 9-11 attacks...And made sure the lease would cover two seperate terror attacks.

From CNN
"Silverstein signed a 99-year lease taking control of the Trade Center in July 2001, six weeks before the attacks that killed 2,749 people and toppled 10 million square feet of commercial space in the twin towers and five other buildings. His insurance policies were not finalized at the time, leading to the legal disputes over which "per occurrence" policies applied."

"The insurers are collectively responsible for a maximum of $1.1 billion insurance per occurrence. The issue before the court was whether the insurers were obligated to pay for one occurrence or two. If the verdict is upheld it means the insurers would be obligated to pay up to $2.2 billion to Silverstein, which he would devote to construction at Ground Zero."

Source

Now remember, Bush opposed a 9-11 commision, and than accpeted under the condition that he could hand pick the members...A good friend Paul Zieligow eneded up running it, and being the only member who could look at classified documents...The final report was released with 28 blanked out pages...Little mention of Saudi Arabia, and no mentions of Operation Able Danger. Hmm?

From CNN.com
"But the administration initially opposed the creation of the commission. The White House relented amid pressure from some 9/11 family members and it later backed down from its opposition to an extension of time for the commission..."

"Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney answered questions from the commissioners for more than three hours.

The president dismissed suggestions that he appeared before the panel with Cheney to coordinate stories. "If we had something to hide, we wouldn't have met with them in the first place," Bush said. "We answered all their questions." Bush said it was important for him and Cheney to appear together so that commission members could "see our body language... how we work together.""

Source


Bottom line no one post will ever convince someone that the 9-11 official story is BS...The mainstream media has pumped it into everyones head for the last 5 years, and absolutley refused to air ANY alternate theories...If you repeat a lie enough it becomes truth...The Bush falmily has been involved in shady CIA dealing since the 60's and they are still at it, IMO...Bushs legacy, his family, his friends, all benefitted the most when it came to 9-11, financially, politically, and historically...Bin Laden went on the run, and knew that would be the case...

I could go on for pages about evidence that the official story doesnt hold up, and why its in the medias interest not to discuss alternate theorys, but it wont do any good for people who are opened to the idea, and dont want to learn...

Again Im not tieing anything together, just laying out some strange coincidences that make some people believe what they do...Im not 100% sure of what happened on 9-11, but i know the "official story" doesnt hold up... The only thing that made it official was the Bush administration itself, is it not?

[DTBusta]

thekaydense-Yes sir check it when you get a chance. google it or check out you tube on msnbc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPICFNHeDBI

[DTBusta]

wow juicedout, that is an entensive list of foot-noted work, not to mention also all on the books as fact. Even the media discusses these truths from time to time, but because of their overlords,not much at all,its this base in which they operate to the ignorance of the american people.And your right no body is an idiot because they are ignorant, their just morons. Wake up and smell the bullshit.God can only help us now...and their not in the form of a pussy-crat or republican

[juicedOUTbrain]

Again, Im not 100% sure 9-11 was an inside job, just stating that believing these things does not in any way make you an idiot...In fact, I would argue that one has to be fairly intelligent and have an extensive knowledge of western history, corporate greed/ power, the bush family history, the control mechanisms of the media and geo-politics to understand the reasons why people believe these things...

We have means, motive, and oppurtunity, there is enough circumstancial evidence to convict bush of complicity in 9-11 in an american court of law, many lawyers who have studied the evidence believe this...So regardless of eveyones beliefs dont call 9-11 conspiracy theorists idiots...unless you want to be called an idiot for your belief that its not even a possibilty...

[Kärnfysikern]

There is one simple reason to dismiss 99% of conspiracy theories, the larger it is the harder it is to keep it a secret.

When it comes to conspiracy theories like 9/11, fake moon landing, roswell UFO crash ect it all means hundrads of people would be involved.

It is not plausible that it would be keept secret for long.

[ecivon]

There is one simple reason to dismiss 99% of conspiracy theories, the larger it is the harder it is to keep it a secret.

When it comes to conspiracy theories like 9/11, fake moon landing, roswell UFO crash ect it all means hundrads of people would be involved.

It is not plausible that it would be keept secret for long.

It very well could be possible Johan. Especially with the military and the government. I get together a bunch of kids and say let's go to the candy store. Everyone thinks they are going to get candy while a couple of us rob the store when the other kids aren't paying attention and never know. Simplistic analogy, but with the military the same thing. Military missions often have multiple objectives whereby the troops have no idea what is going on while surreptitious activities are being carried out under their protection and presence. Happens all the time. Within the intelligence community there is a sacred code of silence that is never broken. It is sacrosanct and inviolable.

[singern]

I don't like zionism, to me it is a detestable lament on the jews that follow it. If it was lived as it was posited by Herzl, then it would be one thing, but in its prostituted form it does not serve the interests of Israel very well at all. For a very long time people have quoted, or talked about the Protocols of the Elder's of Zion, yet to my knowledge no copy, or volume has ever turned up anywhere. If it existed, surely a copy would exist somewhere. There's a lot of anti-semites in the world and if they had a copy they'd certainly go to great lengths to make it public to discredit jews and zionism. Not that zionism in its current and practised form needs any help.

I spent three years in the US army defending your right to hate me and speak out about that hate. And I will always continue to do so.

Having said that, I certainly dont agree with your opinion on this, and the very idea that any serious argument can be based on a hatful fictional book written for the purpose of disinformation, and the breeding of ignorant hate. Plane and simple.

[singern]

actually i've found that the most intelligent white philosophers have tended to dislike jewish influence; i'm talking unquestionable geniuses like wagner, nietzsche, and voltaire.

Thats a beautiful thing, So other than the fact they "disliked Jews" Tell us what it is about these gentlemen that attracts you so.

[ecivon]

I spent three years in the US army defending your right to hate me and speak out about that hate. And I will always continue to do so.

Having said that, I certainly dont agree with your opinion on this, and the very idea that any serious argument can be based on a hatful fictional book written for the purpose of disinformation, and the breeding of ignorant hate. Plane and simple.

You know, you really need to stop misrepresenting what is said and taking statements out of context. I said I don't like zionism and that I don't trust zionists and those are philosophical and political considerations and NOT hate, or hateful ones.

In regards to the book, I said I didn't believe it existed and if I don't believe it ever existed then I must believe that it is a fictional book and thereby falsely quoted. Jeez

[singern]

You know, you really need to stop misrepresenting what is said and taking statements out of context. I said I don't like zionism and that I don't trust zionists and those are philosophical and political considerations and NOT hate, or hateful ones.

In regards to the book, I said I didn't believe it existed and if I don't believe it ever existed then I must believe that it is a fictional book and thereby falsely quoted. Jeez

My comment on the elders of zion was a in fact my general opinion, and not a response to you in particular.

However You say that your dislike of Zionism is derived from a philosophical opinion, yet you regularly contribute to hurtful conspiracy theories against jews, and a general attitude of illogical intolerance toward them. So You will forgive me if I dont take you seriously regarding your "Political considerations"

[J.S.N.]

Thats a beautiful thing, So other than the fact they "disliked Jews" Tell us what it is about these gentlemen that attracts you so.

personally i don't really like wagner's music, but both nietzsche and voltaire are incredibly fun to read and highly enlightening.

[DTBusta]

KARNFYSIKERN The reason people dismiss them is exactly what you said. Like an idiot they automatically think that all conspiracies should be put in one group and that somehow if you think one is rediculous then all the others are too. Just remember how slowly this administration let the media leak the truth out to why and how we got in Iraq.Before that people like myself would be called un-patriotic to question that very question.Now its so obvious we lied our way into Iraq that its open and everyone knows that,except your mind hasn't conceded that as a conspiracy gone true cause it was leaked in an art form through the media. Just like the History channel now says for a fact that Roosevelt new of the impending disaster in Pearl Harbor!Now those actions lead us into a War, some would argue we needed to, I agree, however I believe americans then would have went to war to stop Hitler regaurdless, but again a needless amount of people on both sides needed to die for no good reason. That was a conspiracy...thats proven true that he had knowledge. On Ufo's George Bush senior has said"You wouldn't want to know what I know" when questioned by a reporter on Live television if Ufo's exist. Now no duh he was probably either bullshitting , lying, or telling the truth. Either way no wonder ufo sightings and ideas float around, its cause of people with such credibility like Bush senior (this can be debated) go and say stupid things that keep propelling the theory.But none the less you can't just dismiss it,you'd be stupid to. Fake moon landing well I don't know what to say other then possible, but most likely I'd hope we would have actually had the balls to beat russia there, but after our Presidents bold and pothetic moves to show the rest of the world up by invading them and calling them Axis Of Evil , you know its not to far off that we'd pull something like that just to show power at the time.

Conspiracy theorists don't like to make things up, there is a genuine looking for the truth philosophy, and they use all t he facts to come closer to the truth. The aliens,and moon landing are things they gave up along time ago actively talking about, but just like anything else there are always idiots that like to keep something going, but as far as they are concerned, I haven't seen them get disporven on something like aliens yet. However if your willing to look into where the money was coming from, who owned the leases on the trade center, the neo-cons plans that have been written for years with what they wanted to do with the middle east and that they would need "A new Pearl Harbor" by some in PNAC, a group in which like juiced out explained are in this specific administration (Cheney ,Paul Wolfowitz(now head of the world Bank) Don Rumsfeld) all this is confirmed this isn't a conspiracy its the truth. On top of that go check out evidence of Thermite found at ground zero and how Guiliani shipped the scrap medal off asap, when he as a previous prosecutor knows very well how important evidence is...just let it happen. So give me a break. Pearl Harbor was investigated 9 times, 9/11 once if you want to count the 9/11 comission Report which was basically done by our trust worthy politicians, and on top of that Bush stopped them from publishing literally hundreds of pages of the original report.How would this have been carried out, well by who else, a small group of elite financiers, maybe zionist parts of the Israeli gov't that would maybe possibly have something to gain from a war in Iraq!

[singern]

personally i don't really like wagner's music, but both nietzsche and voltaire are incredibly fun to read and highly enlightening.

So you chose the examples merely on the basis they dislike jews, that was obvious Whats your point with this?

[Kärnfysikern]

Well DTBusta most of the conspiracy theories fall flat when put under scientific scrutiny. Like the moon landing conspiracy. Same has been shown with the conspiracy theories about bombs in the WTC.

I doubt we have been visited by UFO's but Im not confident(Jimmy Carter for instance claims he has seen one). But my UFO comment was more regarding the specific roswell incident that has been properly debunked.

Also I do belive conspiracy theorist do enjoy making things up, filling in the holes with personal theories that fit the picture they want to present. People are drawn to conspiracy theories, its fun and exciting to think you know something the rest of the world doesnt.

[Kärnfysikern]

Im just saying that all conspiracy theories that require hundrads of people beeing involved is not very plausible.

Nothing can be keept perfectly secret, hell just look at how fast the russians infiltrated the Manhattan project.

[singern]

Also I do belive conspiracy theorist do enjoy making things up, filling in the holes with personal theories that fit the picture they want to present. People are drawn to conspiracy theories, its fun and exciting to think you know something the rest of the world doesnt.

Its not that its "fun" for them, its more that they want so desperately to belive that they become obsessed and vulnerable. So any he said she said becomes irrefutable truth. and any attempt to convince otherwise is usually met with hostility, and denial.

[singern]

Im just saying that all conspiracy theories that require hundrads of people beeing involved is not very plausible.

Nothing can be keept perfectly secret, hell just look at how fast the russians infiltrated the Manhattan project.

Hell only two people knew about clintons blow-job and look how that got out, I couldnt imagine how many people would need to know about a 9/11 conspiracy.

[J.S.N.]

So you chose the examples merely on the basis they dislike jews, that was obvious Whats your point with this?

i chose a few examples out of many. my point is you claim people who believe in certain jewish communities being disruptive in western society are ignorant. well, if you think voltaire was ignorant, then you're a few eggs short of a dozen.

if you're having trouble following the logic, then maybe it's because every time anyone critizes the actions of and jew or group of jews, you try to explain it as hate. jimmy carter calls the israeli govenment an aparthied state? hate- total nazi. holocaust survivor yosef lapid criticizes the hebron settlers? self-loather.

you're either deliberately muddling any rational debate, or you can't follow your own preztel logic. maybe it's a little of both.