Teacher fired for saying that most suicide bombers are Muslim

[Logan13]

OK, most suicide bombers aren't Muslim.......
Is it true, or not, that is all that matters.
Teacher fired for saying that most suicide bombers are Muslim
02/02/07
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6326277.stm

A supply teacher has been sacked from a secondary school following complaints from Muslim pupils.
Andrew McLuskey was sacked from Bayliss Court Secondary School in Slough after a Religious Education lesson discussing the pros and cons of religion.

Pupils at the predominantly Muslim school claimed Mr McLuskey said most suicide bombers were Muslim.

But he rejected the allegation and said the school was too quick to sack him without giving him right of reply.

"Very unjust"

He expected to complete an eight week contract at the school - but was sacked after only several days.
Deputy head teacher Ray Hinds says the pupils were very upset

"I feel it's very unjust," he said.

"I think I should've been given the chance to respond to the allegations and not in effect be ejected from a job without the chance to defend myself."

The school authorities denied they were being heavy-handed and said their first priority was pupils' welfare.

"I don't think it's important what I think," said the school's deputy head teacher Ray Hinds.

"It's what the pupils think that were in the classroom at the time. And they were very upset."

[Kärnfysikern]

I guess it depends on how long back you want to consider. Kamikaze...

[Flagg]

I guess it depends on how long back you want to consider. Kamikaze...

Jap pilots of WW2 were the first thing that popped into my head

[singern]

I disagree. Only because of the nature and context of the discussion, The teacher was clearly referring to terrorism. although the obscure definition in this case of "suicide Bomber".

The Kamikaze pilots were active members of the Japanese military, a nation openly at war with the US.

What national army does Bin-Laden represent.
When a Hezbola fires from civilian apartment building, When Islamic Jihad blows up a school bus, When an Iraqi Suni blows up a SHia Mosque, When Islamic terrorists blow up civilian, and political centers in South America, in Europe, US, Asia, Africa, Australia................

What country should pay the price, who do we retaliate against? and who gets the credit.........You see my point.

[Act of God]

truth hurts I guess. At least their censoring it, we wouldn't want open discussion going on.

[singern]

truth hurts I guess. At least their censoring it, we wouldn't want open discussion going on.

I can certainly understand the dangers of stereotyping, or labeling an entire race, but a horse is a horse, and will always be a horse.

[Kärnfysikern]

I think its silly that he got fired. But it also seems like a useless statement.
What was the context of the whole discussion.

What is a secondary school and how old are the kids there? Teachers in grades 1-5 or so have a HUGE effect on children.
We all know that young children wont be able to analyse the context and draw the conclusion that even though most suicide bombers are muslims it doesnt mean that most muslims are suicide bombers.

[singern]

I think its silly that he got fired. But it also seems like a useless statement.
What was the context of the whole discussion.

What is a secondary school and how old are the kids there? Teachers in grades 1-5 or so have a HUGE effect on children.
We all know that young children wont be able to analyse the context and draw the conclusion that even though most suicide bombers are muslims it doesnt mean that most muslims are suicide bombers.

Secondary school is Like Jr High school. So 7th and 8th grades. As to the context of the discussion i could not find a reference.

[Logan13]

I guess it depends on how long back you want to consider. Kamikaze...

He was obviously talking about today..........that which effects us, today.

[scriptfactory]

He was obviously talking about today..........that which effects us, today.

I could see him saying something like, "Currently, most suicide bombers are Muslim however in the past... blah blah blah."

[Kärnfysikern]

He was obviously talking about today..........that which effects us, today.

My point is simply that you can turn and twist it in many different ways. So you can not say that the statement is 100% true.

It all depends on the context. If the teacher where blatantly trying to spread prejucide against islam then fire him. If not then it was stupid to fire him. The article isnt meaty enough to draw any conclusion.
Teachers do have a huge impact on how kids think.

[Ufa]

Most is incorrect. Shoud be --ALL--

[JohnboyF]

Most is incorrect. Shoud be --ALL--

Then why not say

All black are criminals?

All whites are Honkies??

Seriously man... use ur ****ing brain...

[Logan13]

Then why not say

All black are criminals?

All whites are Honkies??

Seriously man... use ur ****ing brain...

all whites are honkies...........

[Logan13]

Then why not say

All black are criminals?

All whites are Honkies??

Seriously man... use ur ****ing brain...

can you point to any suicide bomber who was not Muslim? Political correctness should not be used to skew the truth.

[scriptfactory]

Then why not say

All black are criminals?

All whites are Honkies??

Seriously man... use ur ****ing brain...

You are making incorrect analogies. He didn't say all Muslims are suicide bombers...

All criminals are black. False.
All honkies are white. True.
All suicide bombers (currently) are Muslim. ???

[scriptfactory]

can you point to any suicide bomber who was not Muslim? Political correctness should not be used to skew the truth.

I'm actually curious about this one as well...

[Logan13]

You are making incorrect analogies. He didn't say all Muslims are suicide bombers...

All criminals are black. False.
All honkies are white. True.
All suicide bombers (currently) are Muslim. ???

at least we can agree that all whites are honkies.......
what the hell does honkie mean anyway?

[scriptfactory]

at least we can agree that all whites are honkies.......
what the hell does honkie mean anyway?

I actually think it comes from the term "honky-tonk" but I'm not sure...

[mcpeepants]

can you point to any suicide bomber who was not Muslim? Political correctness should not be used to skew the truth.

The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka perform suicide bombings. They actually started the use of hidden sucide bomb vest that are used by other terrorist groups. They're a secessionist group not a religious group.

[Ufa]

Then why not say

All black are criminals?

All whites are Honkies??

Seriously man... use ur ****ing brain...

I take it you are not BLACK or you would not insinuate that they are
criminals. I take it you are not WHITE or you would know that we
only laugh when called honkie. So you must be Muslim. Now what
do you honestly think of our friends in Israel. You were brainwashed
to think that the greatest honor is to die killing Americans or Jews.
Now I urge you to use your f--kin brain.

[Logan13]

The Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka perform suicide bombings. They actually started the use of hidden sucide bomb vest that are used by other terrorist groups. They're a secessionist group not a religious group.

Nicely done! These people are actually an anti-muslim group who fight with the same tactics as hezbollah and hamas. They even advocate women's rights, which is part of the reason they have pushed out entire populations of Muslims from various cities.

[JohnboyF]

I take it you are not BLACK or you would not insinuate that they are
criminals. I take it you are not WHITE or you would know that we
only laugh when called honkie. So you must be Muslim. Now what
do you honestly think of our friends in Israel. You were brainwashed
to think that the greatest honor is to die killing Americans or Jews.
Now I urge you to use your f--kin brain.

Really brain washed...? Maybe you should actually go to a mosque or muslim community and see what were like before making brash generalizations... People like you uneducated i assume are why racism continues to exist.

[BgMc31]

at least we can agree that all whites are honkies.......
what the hell does honkie mean anyway?

Taken from urbandictionary.com:

1. honky

a derogatory term for a Caucasian person.
there are three main theories for the origin of the word:
1. the word originated from the practice of white males wishing to hire African-American prostitutes in the 1920's, and going to the appropriate part of town while honking their car horns to attract the whores. Some versions state that the reason for this was that the white men were too afraid to actually stop in those neighborhoods, so the honking would bring the hookers to them. Others say that since few African-Americans could afford cars back in that time, the honking signaled a higher-paying white client and would quickly gain the prostitutes attention.
2. the term comes from the word "honky-tonk", which was used as early as 1875 in reference to wild saloons in the Old West. Patrons of such disreputable establishments were referred to as "honkies", not intended as a racial slur but still a disparaging term.
3. "honkie" is a variation of "hunky" and "bohunk", derogatory terms for Hungarian, Bohemian, and Polish immigrant factory workers and hard laborers in the early 1900's. African-Americans began to use the word in reference to all whites regardless of specific nation of origin.

[JohnboyF]

can you point to any suicide bomber who was not Muslim? Political correctness should not be used to skew the truth.

Timothy Mac.... (oklahoma city bombing)

[BgMc31]

Timothy Mac.... (oklahoma city bombing)

Wasn't a suicide bomber. Timoth McVay was a lone wolf white supremicist bomber. He should be compared to abortion clinic bombers and doctor killers, the guy who bombed the Atlanta Olympics, the guy who shot up the Jewish community center, the unibomber, the guys who burned all the black churches, etc. All these guys are white supremacists and still considered domestic terrorists, but none of these guys were suicide bombers.

[Ufa]

Really brain washed...? Maybe you should actually go to a mosque or muslim community and see what were like before making brash generalizations... People like you uneducated i assume are why racism continues to exist.

I've had plans to go to Muslim countries, however with all the
Americans ending up shot, kidnapped, beheaded, I sincerely
doubt that I would be welcomed. I have older friends that
have worked in the Iranian Embassy. They say nice things about
the young generation. However, I don't want to go to a place
that does not want me. I have no intention of changing the
world. However, it seems that Muslims want to convert everyone
to their faith or kill them. AM I WRONG? Maybe it's best for us
to stay out of your region and you to stay out of ours.

I appreciate your dedication to your religion however, you must
be tolerent to other religions. I have no problem with how you
worship and your way of life. However, I don't think you feel
the same. You want the whole world. All I want is my little
house on the lake. I don't believe you can obtain peace threw
violence. However, there comes a time when Americans just
will not back down. We are a sleeping giant. We may over
react but you have not seen any thing yet. Our President
is crazy and will not tolerate a nuclear, unstable middle-east.
All Americans want is peace, however, we have a President
that will not hesitate to push the button. This time he will
not telegraph his intentions. Last time he called the Kremlin
and Saddam was warned by Russia to take cover. This time
it will surprise the world. Hope I did not offend you.
t

[juicedOUTbrain]

I've had plans to go to Muslim countries, however with all the
Americans ending up shot, kidnapped, beheaded, I sincerely
doubt that I would be welcomed. I have older friends that
have worked in the Iranian Embassy. They say nice things about
the young generation. However, I don't want to go to a place
that does not want me. I have no intention of changing the
world. However, it seems that Muslims want to convert everyone
to their faith or kill them. AM I WRONG?

I will not disagree that traveling to western countries is risky (especially Iraq), but westerners can travel around MOST middle eastern countries unscathed...

For example groups of american and british peace activists often travel to Gazza to protest the destruction of palestinian homes... Its not the palestinian militants they have to worry about...Its the stray bullets and bombs from the dangerously ruthless IDF they have to worry about...

Watch this british journalist travel around Gazza, sometimes with the militants, and watch where the threat REALLY comes from...

please take the time to watch this video, its extremly well made, interesting, and educational...

The Killing Zone

And Sigern, If showing the conflict from the other sides POV is "terrorist propaganda" than thats exactly what it is...YOU CANNOT MAKE AN INTELLIGENT JUDGEMENT ABOUT THE CONFLICT BETWEEN THE WEST AND THE MIDDLE EAST WITHOUT SEEING THIS SIDE...

i hope someone takes the time to watch it...its an awesome movie...

[juicedOUTbrain]

Originally Posted by johan
I think its silly that he got fired. But it also seems like a useless statement.
What was the context of the whole discussion.

What is a secondary school and how old are the kids there? Teachers in grades 1-5 or so have a HUGE effect on children.
We all know that young children wont be able to analyse the context and draw the conclusion that even though most suicide bombers are muslims it doesnt mean that most muslims are suicide bombers

My thoughts exactly...

I wont deny that most suicide bombers are muslim, but i think statements like that do nothing to further the debate or educate people especially kids. Most people in jail are black, should we teach that to kids in school, no...because it leads to the sentiment that creates some of the problem in the 1st place...

Dicrimination and predudice towards a given group lead to poverty for that group. Poverty leads to ignorance and desperation, ignorance and desperation lead to crime (or terrorism)....Crime than leads to even more discrimination, its an ugly cycle...and very relevant to the conflict between the west and the middle east, IMO...

In context, yes most criminals in jail are black, because of the discrimination that has created the impovershed towns many blacks live in...Also because of the racism, wether conscious or unconscious, by much of the law enforcement in the US... But leaving it out of context will cause you to draw the conclusion that blacks are violent or criminals by nature, which is simply not true...

In context, most suicide bombers are muslim, because of the foreign policy that has impovershed, and destroyed many middle eastern countries. This leaves the vast amount of hopelessness, desperation, and ignorance that leads to religious fundamentalism and in turn, suicide bombers...Leaving this out of context dehumanizes the muslim people and makes them appear psychotic by nature, which is equally as untrue...These dehumanizing and misunderstanding of the muslim people than leads to the same foreign policy that helped create the problem in the first place...

I hope you see my point...If the statement was put in context than its perfectly fine, but without it, it is dehumanizing to muslims...

[Ufa]

I think I'll pass on the killing zone. Very interesting. Seems these
people are difinately provoked.

[BgMc31]

My thoughts exactly...

I wont deny that most suicide bombers are muslim, but i think statements like that do nothing to further the debate or educate people especially kids. Most people in jail are black, should we teach that to kids in school, no...because it leads to the sentiment that creates some of the problem in the 1st place...

Dicrimination and predudice towards a given group lead to poverty for that group. Poverty leads to ignorance and desperation, ignorance and desperation lead to crime (or terrorism)....Crime than leads to even more discrimination, its an ugly cycle...and very relevant to the conflict between the west and the middle east, IMO...

In context, yes most criminals in jail are black, because of the discrimination that has created the impovershed towns many blacks live in...Also because of the racism, wether conscious or unconscious, by much of the law enforcement in the US... But leaving it out of context will cause you to draw the conclusion that blacks are violent or criminals by nature, which is simply not true...

In context, most suicide bombers are muslim, because of the foreign policy that has impovershed, and destroyed many middle eastern countries. This leaves the vast amount of hopelessness, desperation, and ignorance that leads to religious fundamentalism and in turn, suicide bombers...Leaving this out of context dehumanizes the muslim people and makes them appear psychotic by nature, which is equally as untrue...These dehumanizing and misunderstanding of the muslim people than leads to the same foreign policy that helped create the problem in the first place...

I hope you see my point...If the statement was put in context than its perfectly fine, but without it, it is dehumanizing to muslims...

One of the best posts ever Juiced!!! Great job!!!

[Logan13]

Timothy Mac.... (oklahoma city bombing)

as has been noted, he was not a suicide bomber...........

[Logan13]

My thoughts exactly...

I wont deny that most suicide bombers are muslim, but i think statements like that do nothing to further the debate or educate people especially kids. Most people in jail are black, should we teach that to kids in school, no...because it leads to the sentiment that creates some of the problem in the 1st place...

Dicrimination and predudice towards a given group lead to poverty for that group. Poverty leads to ignorance and desperation, ignorance and desperation lead to crime (or terrorism)....Crime than leads to even more discrimination, its an ugly cycle...and very relevant to the conflict between the west and the middle east, IMO...

In context, yes most criminals in jail are black, because of the discrimination that has created the impovershed towns many blacks live in...Also because of the racism, wether conscious or unconscious, by much of the law enforcement in the US... But leaving it out of context will cause you to draw the conclusion that blacks are violent or criminals by nature, which is simply not true...

In context, most suicide bombers are muslim, because of the foreign policy that has impovershed, and destroyed many middle eastern countries. This leaves the vast amount of hopelessness, desperation, and ignorance that leads to religious fundamentalism and in turn, suicide bombers...Leaving this out of context dehumanizes the muslim people and makes them appear psychotic by nature, which is equally as untrue...These dehumanizing and misunderstanding of the muslim people than leads to the same foreign policy that helped create the problem in the first place...

I hope you see my point...If the statement was put in context than its perfectly fine, but without it, it is dehumanizing to muslims...

we definitely need to more about the circumstances surrounding this. Regardless though, for anyone to say that his statement was not true would be equally disingenuious. If it becomes too politically correct to state the obvious, than there really is no room for actual debate about how to solve the issues that plague us today. The entire debate turns toward what is hurtful to some, which is a waste of time and will solve nothing.

[Teabagger]

It is common knowledge the US education system has been terminally infected by secular/progressive nitwits that are not out to teach truth, but to indoctrinate.

The TRUTH is 99.9% of the suicide bombers are Muslim, that is an indisputable fact and a salient one in todays world. It is the same with the disproportinate number of illegals in our Federal prison system for violent crimes against US citizens, and the same for the alarmingly high rate of single black mothers...these are all true and fact. To understand any issue, one has to deal in facts and truth...not PC rhetoric, or the attempted dumbing down of the issue.

[juicedOUTbrain]

It is common knowledge the US education system has been terminally infected by secular/progressive nitwits that are not out to teach truth, but to indoctrinate.

I dont consider indoctrinating children with understanding and tolerance for all people is a bad thing? do you? should we teach children to hate?

Its for no other reason than that most intellectuals and people who feel the desire to educate are by nature non-violent, because they see the hypocrisy of killing for peace...jesus said "turn the other cheek" for a reason, viloence only brings about more violence because of the need for revenge that is built into humans as a result of evololution. Most people who are thouroghly educated in human history understand this...People who dont, are doomed to lack understanding, and deal in black and white circumstances...

The TRUTH is 99.9% of the suicide bombers are Muslim, that is an indisputable fact and a salient one in todays world. It is the same with the disproportinate number of illegals in our Federal prison system for violent crimes against US citizens, and the same for the alarmingly high rate of single black mothers...these are all true and fact. To understand any issue, one has to deal in facts and truth...not PC rhetoric, or the attempted dumbing down of the issue.

Thats exactly why stating these FACTS out of context is so dangerous. And the dumbing down of an issue is stating that muslims are crazy, without explaining the reasons why, IMO...

Like I said, theres no problem telling kids that most suicide bombers are muslim, IN CONTEXT...