Good News! Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual!

[Tock]

IMHO, it's , but those folks will beleive anything, I guess . . .
50 years from now, they'll still look like a bunch of crazies . . .
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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...rtner=homepage

Haggard Pronounced ‘Completely Heterosexual’
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 6, 2007
Filed at 9:59 a.m. ET

DENVER (AP) -- One of four ministers who oversaw three weeks of intensive counseling for the Rev. Ted Haggard said the disgraced minister emerged convinced that he is ''completely heterosexual.''

Haggard also said his sexual contact with men was limited to the former male prostitute who came forward with sexual allegations, the Rev. Tim Ralph of Larkspur told The Denver Post for a story in Tuesday's edition.

''He is completely heterosexual,'' Ralph said. ''That is something he discovered. It was the acting-out situations where things took place. It wasn't a constant thing.''

Ralph said the board spoke with people close to Haggard while investigating his claim that his only extramarital sexual contact happened with Mike Jones. The board found no evidence to the contrary.
Not true. The January 23, 2009 news story said:
Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that a 20-year old man came forward to church officials in late 2006 . . .
So much for Christians observing Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness . . . "

Today's Sunday School lesson for these speakers of untruths comes from the book of Proverbs, chapter six, verses 16-19, and it seems to be a necessary lesson because these dullards seem unacquainted with this concept:
"16": These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
"17": A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
"18": An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
"19": A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.


''If we're going to be proved wrong, somebody else is going to come forward, and that usually happens really quickly,'' he said. ''We're into this thing over 90 days and it hasn't happened.''
Well, y'all lied on the other thing, I wonder what else you're lying about. I suppose time will tell. Meanwhile, you'd best not parade around like you're somehow "more moral" than anyone else.


Haggard resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals last year after allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced. He was also forced out from the 14,000 New Life Church that he founded years ago in his basement after Jones alleged Haggard paid him for sex and sometimes used methamphetamine when they were together. Haggard, who is married, has publicly admitted to ''sexual immorality.''

Haggard said in an e-mail Sunday, his first communication in three months to church members, that he and his wife, Gayle, plan to pursue master's degrees in psychology. The e-mail said the family hasn't decided where to move but that they were considering Missouri and Iowa.

Another oversight board member, the Rev. Mike Ware of Westminster, said the group recommended the move out of town and the Haggards agreed.

''This is a good place for Ted,'' Ware said. ''It's hard to heal in Colorado Springs right now. It's like an open wound. He needs to get somewhere he can get the wound healed.''

It was also the oversight board that strongly urged Haggard to go into secular work.

[J.S.N.]

tell that to all the dick he sucked for meth.

[DTBusta]

ha yeah ok, God are we going to see homosexual rehabs popping up all over the bible belt now?

[Tock]

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0...raced_pastor_1

Pastor Ted Haggard has left a spiritual restoration program

Sun Jun 22, 9:40 PM

By Colleen Slevin, The Associated Press

DENVER - The evangelist forced out of his job after being caught up in a sex scandal involving a male prostitute has left a "spiritual restoration program" and no longer has any ties to the megachurch he founded, the congregation's new pastor said Sunday.


Under a severance deal that Ted Haggard reached with the church in 2006, he agreed to leave Colorado Springs and not talk about the scandal publicly.


The deal expired at the end of 2007. New pastor Brady Boyd said Haggard is now free to live where he wanted and has returned to Colorado Springs.


"They have moved back and they live in the original house that they lived in for many years," Boyd said of Haggard and his wife, Gayle.


Haggard answered the telephone at his Colorado Springs telephone number on Sunday and confirmed he was in the city but said he couldn't talk to reporters.


He was fired in 2006 as pastor of the 14,000-member church he established, after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship. The man also said he saw Haggard use methamphetamine.


Haggard, who also stepped down as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" and said he bought meth but didn't use it.

Haggard then moved to Phoenix with his family to begin what church leaders called a spiritual restoration program, which was expected to include counselling and prayer and last five years or longer.


Boyd said Haggard asked to be released from the restoration program in January and is no longer connected with New Life.

Haggard and church officials clashed last summer after Haggard sent an e-mail to a Colorado Springs television station outlining his plans to work as a counsellor at a Christian-run halfway house in Phoenix.


The e-mail also solicited financial support.

A four-pastor team of overseers said that those plans were unacceptable and that Haggard would seek secular employment instead.


Boyd said Haggard was in private business but didn't have any further details. He said there were no plans for him to work again at New Life.


The New Life Church was the site of a shooting in December in which two sisters were killed after a gunman fatally shot two people at a mission centre in suburban Denver.

[DSM4Life]

Fill in the blank :

[Tock]

I feel sorta sorry for the guy. People don't change their sexual orientation. But after a couple years of relentless psychological abuse, it's possible, I suppose, to do enough negative-association BS so that anytime he sees an attractive man, he gets physically sick, or mentally wacks out.

All in all, it isn't going to be a good life, from here on out. I can sympathize, because I almost wound up as a conservative fundamentalist preacher myself. What happened to him almost happened to me. (There but for the grease of god go I . . . )

Anyway, I wonder what line of business he's in?

[Tock]

Fill in the blank :

Y'know, he's not a bad looking guy . . .
Add a few lbs, a couple cycles of test, he'd be "heavenly," I'll wager.

He's got nice kissable lips, for sure . . .

[DSM4Life]

But after a couple years of relentless psychological abuse, it's possible, I suppose, to do enough negative-association BS so that anytime he sees an attractive man, he gets physically sick, or mentally wacks out.

I tried to brain wash myself like this to keep myself straight but i kept finding myself waking up in guys beds.

[DSM4Life]

Y'know, he's not a bad looking guy . . .
Add a few lbs, a couple cycles of test, he'd be "heavenly," I'll wager.

He's got nice kissable lips, for sure . . .

Not my type at all.

[Tock]

Not my type at all.

Ya, well, he needs a bit of work (like my old 1969 VS Squareback), but geez, those lips . . . I'll bet they could (um, how graphic can I get here?) ---- - ------- ---- ------- 50 feet of garden hose . . .

[Tock]

The latest updates, as of January 23, 2009

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/...ew_allegations

DISGRACED PASTOR FACES MORE GAY SEX SCANDAL

DENVER – Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard's former church disclosed Friday that the gay sex scandal that caused his downfall extends to a young male church volunteer who reported having a sexual relationship with Haggard — a revelation that comes as Haggard tries to repair his public image.

Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that the man came forward to church officials in late 2006 shortly after a Denver male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with Haggard.

Boyd said an "overwhelming pool of evidence" pointed to an "inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship" that "went on for a long period of time ... it wasn't a one-time act." Boyd said the man was in his early 20s at the time. He said he was certain the man was of legal age when it began.

Reached Friday night, Haggard declined to comment and said all interviews would have to be arranged through a publicist for HBO, which is airing a documentary about him this month.

Boyd said the church reached a legal settlement to pay the man for counseling and college tuition, with one condition being that none of the parties involved discuss the matter publicly.

Boyd said a Colorado Springs TV station reached him Thursday to say the young man was planning to provide a detailed report of his relationship with Haggard to the station. Boyd said the church preferred to keep the matter private, but it was the man's decision to go public.

The disclosure comes as Haggard, 52, is about to give a series of high-profile interviews to promote the cable documentary about his time in exile. He is scheduled to appear on CNN's Larry King Live on Thursday, the date of the documentary's premiere, and already has taped "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

In early 2007, New Life Church disclosed that an investigation uncovered new evidence that Haggard engaged in "sordid conversation" and "improper relationships" — but didn't go into detail. Earlier, a church board member had said there was no evidence that Haggard had sexual relations with anyone but Mike Jones, the former male prostitute.

Haggard confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" after Jones' allegations and resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and from New Life Church, where he faced being fired.

Anticipating criticism of the settlement with the former church volunteer, Boyd said Friday that it was in the best interests of all involved. He would not name the volunteer or the settlement amount.

"It wasn't at all a settlement to make him be quiet or not tell his story," Boyd said. "Our desire was to help him. Here was a young man who wanted to get on with his life. We considered it more compassionate assistance — certainly not hush money. I know what's what everyone will want to say because that's the most salacious thing to say, but that's not at all what it was."
He said that "secondarily, it's not great for our church either" that the story be told. Boyd said Haggard knew about the settlement two years ago.

In a letter e-mailed Friday to New Life Church members, Boyd said of the settlement and agreement not to talk: "This decision was made not as an attempt to conceal wrongdoings, but to protect him from those who would seek to exploit him. His actions now suggest that he has changed his mind."

The letter said the church "received reports of a number of incidents of inappropriate behavior" after Haggard's fall. "In each case, we have tried our very best to do the right thing each time, including disciplinary action when appropriate."

Boyd said the "inappropriate behavior" referred to the man who was the volunteer involved with Haggard. After Haggard's fall, another church staff member resigned after admitting to what was described as "sexual misconduct."

Boyd said the church will not take action against the man if he tells his story in the press.

"We have legal standing to do that, but not the desire to," he said.


Boyd said he had spoken to the man once and came away with the impression that he was speaking out because of the documentary. "I think what caused this young man to be a bit aggravated was Ted being seen as a victim, when he himself had experienced a great deal of hurt," Boyd said. "I seriously doubt this man would have come forward if the documentary had not been made."

A spokeswoman for the documentary, "The Trials of Ted Haggard," declined to comment Friday.

David Clohessy, national director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests — which has largely focused on the Catholic sexual abuse scandal but also speaks out on cases involving Protestant clergy — said the new disclosures about Haggard are more disturbing because they involves a church volunteer.

"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative." In an AP interview this month before an appearance in front of TV critics in California, Haggard described his sexuality as complex and something that can't be put into "stereotypical boxes."

[Tock]

It's the closet cases who do this sort of thing, and not so much the open gays, because they (we) have options and outlets that they don't. Especially Fundamentalist TV preachers with wives and children . . .


I still feel sorta bad for this guy, though, because if I hadn't discovered sympathic folks to help me deal with being gay, I would have ended up as a closeted married fundamentalist preacher with a wife and kids.

[Ernst]

I feel sorry for him too. Living a lie and hating yourself is no way to live.

[Tock]

ha yeah ok, God are we going to see homosexual rehabs popping up all over the bible belt now?

They've been around for several years already, and are
http://www.narth.com/
enthusiastically supported by rabidly anti-gay groups, and roundly denounced by mainstream medical groups.
NARTH stands for "National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality." For anyone despairing that they might acquire information based on the Scientific Method, be of good cheer, because you can still influence the process and "Defend The Truth" with a sizable charitable donation.
Is this how science is done? "Defending the Truth?" Not really. It is, however, how some anti-gay folks with an ax to grind do it. And the fruits of their research show how nonsensical (and psychologically harmful) their BS really is.

Consequently, there is now an ex-ex-gay movement:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-ex-gay
The term ex-ex-gay is used to describe people who at one time participated in the ex-gay movement in an attempt to change their sexual orientation to heterosexual, but who then later went on to publicly accept that their sexual orientation falls under the LGBT umbrella. Ex-ex-gay people may publicly declare to have ended the attempt to change their sexual orientation to heterosexuality, and to have embraced their sexual orientation as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer.
Organizations in the ex-gay movement such as Exodus International offer conversion therapy, with the claim that an LGBT person's involvement in the programming can change their sexual orientation to heterosexual. This type of programming is opposed by many major medical organizations, including The National Association of Social Workers, The American Psychological Association, The American Psychiatric Association, The American Counseling Association, and The American Academy of Pediatrics.[1] The American Psychiatric Association describes conversion therapy as ineffective at changing sexual orientation, and as harmful to the LGBT person's well-being[2][3] Those who renounce the ex-gay movement often go one step further in describing these methods, referring to them as brainwashing.
Three publicly ex-ex-gay people are Günter Baum, Peterson Toscano and Christine Bakke. In April 2007 Toscano and Bakke founded Beyond Ex-Gay, an on-line resource for ex-ex gays. In June 2007 together with Soulforce and the LGBT Resource Center at University of California, Irvine organized the first ever Ex-Gay Survivor Conference.
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[4] In the span of eighteen years, eight of the Exodus International ministries have dissolved because the director realized they were still gay. On June 27, 2007 Bussee, along with fellow former Exodus leaders Jeremy Marks and Darlene Bogle, issued a public apology for their roles in Exodus.

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As far as I can tell, there are two kinds of people who truly suffer from homosexuality:
1) Those who can't stand us, and
2) anyone who is beaten up by those in the first category.

[MuscleScience]

They've been around for several years already, and are
http://www.narth.com/
enthusiastically supported by rabidly anti-gay groups, and roundly denounced by mainstream medical groups.
NARTH stands for "National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality." For anyone despairing that they might acquire information based on the Scientific Method, be of good cheer, because you can still influence the process and "Defend The Truth" with a sizable charitable donation.
Is this how science is done? "Defending the Truth?" Not really. It is, however, how some anti-gay folks with an ax to grind do it. And the fruits of their research show how nonsensical (and psychologically harmful) their BS really is.

Consequently, there is now an ex-ex-gay movement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-ex-gay

The term ex-ex-gay is used to describe people who at one time participated in the ex-gay movement in an attempt to change their sexual orientation to heterosexual, but who then later went on to publicly accept that their sexual orientation falls under the LGBT umbrella. Ex-ex-gay people may publicly declare to have ended the attempt to change their sexual orientation to heterosexuality, and to have embraced their sexual orientation as lesbian, gay, bisexual, or queer.
Organizations in the ex-gay movement such as Exodus International offer conversion therapy, with the claim that an LGBT person's involvement in the programming can change their sexual orientation to heterosexual. This type of programming is opposed by many major medical organizations, including The National Association of Social Workers, The American Psychological Association, The American Psychiatric Association, The American Counseling Association, and The American Academy of Pediatrics.[1] The American Psychiatric Association describes conversion therapy as ineffective at changing sexual orientation, and as harmful to the LGBT person's well-being[2][3] Those who renounce the ex-gay movement often go one step further in describing these methods, referring to them as brainwashing.
Three publicly ex-ex-gay people are Günter Baum, Peterson Toscano and Christine Bakke. In April 2007 Toscano and Bakke founded Beyond Ex-Gay, an on-line resource for ex-ex gays. In June 2007 together with Soulforce and the LGBT Resource Center at University of California, Irvine organized the first ever Ex-Gay Survivor Conference.
In 1979, Exodus International's co-founder Michael Bussee and his partner Gary Cooper quit the group and held a life commitment ceremony together.[4] In the span of eighteen years, eight of the Exodus International ministries have dissolved because the director realized they were still gay. On June 27, 2007 Bussee, along with fellow former Exodus leaders Jeremy Marks and Darlene Bogle, issued a public apology for their roles in Exodus.

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As far as I can tell, there are two kinds of people who truly suffer from homosexuality:
1) Those who can't stand us, and
2) Gays who are constantly beaten up by #1.

Are you Homosexual Tock???

[Tock]

Are you Homosexual Tock???

My folks were Mr. & Mrs. Abdul Tock. They had 5 children:

Heterosexual Tock
Bisexual Tock
Asexual Tock
Homosexual Tock
Tic Tock (he was born prematurely, so my folks hoped it would help him to remember to be on time)

I am known to the Rocky Shores of Maine and the illegal immigrants of southern California as none other than Mr. Homosexual Tock, bon vivant and bodybuilder about town. But to the Fruited Plains of Kansas and the excoriating Snake Handlers of Florida's panhandle, I am not only known but reviled with words laden with the the very venom they fear, as Mr. Homosexual Tock, the Prime Gay, the Cause of All Evil, the Great 666, the very coming of the Anti-Straight prophesied in the Book of Pornographic Revelations, returned from ancient pyres of Soho to turn every married man against his wife, every wife against her husband, every farmer against his livestock, and every teenager against his canteloupe.

Tremble in your shoes, quiver in your beds, for yes, I am none other than who you say I am.

Homosexual Tock.

[MuscleScience]

My folks were Mr. & Mrs. Abdul Tock. They had 5 children:

Heterosexual Tock
Bisexual Tock
Asexual Tock
Homosexual Tock
Tic Tock (he was born prematurely, so my folks hoped it would help him to remember to be on time)

I am known to the Rocky Shores of Maine and the illegal immigrants of southern California as none other than Mr. Homosexual Tock, bon vivant and bodybuilder about town. But to the Fruited Plains of Kansas and the excoriating Snake Handlers of Florida's panhandle, I am not only known but reviled with words laden with the the very venom they fear, as Mr. Homosexual Tock, the Prime Gay, the Cause of All Evil, the Great 666, the very coming of the Anti-Straight prophesied in the Book of Pornographic Revelations, returned from ancient pyres of Soho to turn every married man against his wife, every wife against her husband, every farmer against his livestock, and every teenager against his canteloupe.

Tremble in your shoes, quiver in your beds, for yes, I am none other than who you say I am.

Homosexual Tock.

Oh.......um I didnt mean anything by it, just was curious as I dont recall seeing any post were you said you were homosexual.

[Tock]

Oh.......um I didnt mean anything by it, just was curious as I dont recall seeing any post were you said you were homosexual.

No offense taken. After all, would you be offended if somebody asked you if you were heterosexual?

Life is what it is. We are what we are.

[MuscleScience]

No offense taken. After all, would you be offended if somebody asked you if you were heterosexual?

Life is what it is. We are what we are.

I am not sure, I think it would depend on the context of the situation. It just seemed like you were ranting on me. I must say that was a very good rant, you got your point across well.

[Tock]

Na, I just took it as an opportunity to attempt to add a bit of humor in answering a question I used to get all the time when I was in the corporate world. But, as I've seen happen time and time again, humor is a tough thing to do in print.

As a FYI, few gay people mind if you ask that question.

But it's the rare person, regardless of sexual orientation, who minds being imprisoned, beaten up, killed, unemployed, excommunicated, dissed, treated differently in legal situations, etc etc etc, for this sort of thing.
The excommunication may not be a lot of fun, but IMHO any privately owned non-governmental organization should have the right to exclude people they don't like (unless, of course, they get taxpayer $$$, in which case it would not be cool to require a gay person to pay taxes, some of which go to support organizations that denies services only to people that it knows or suspects to be gay.


Sorry, I'm just in a ranting mood tonight . . . Nothing personal or anything.

[Kale]

The latest updates, as of January 23, 2009

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090124/...ew_allegations

DISGRACED PASTOR FACES MORE GAY SEX SCANDAL

DENVER – Disgraced evangelical leader Ted Haggard's former church disclosed Friday that the gay sex scandal that caused his downfall extends to a young male church volunteer who reported having a sexual relationship with Haggard — a revelation that comes as Haggard tries to repair his public image.

Brady Boyd, who succeeded Haggard as senior pastor of the 10,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs, told The Associated Press that the man came forward to church officials in late 2006 shortly after a Denver male prostitute claimed to have had a three-year cash-for-sex relationship with Haggard.

Boyd said an "overwhelming pool of evidence" pointed to an "inappropriate, consensual sexual relationship" that "went on for a long period of time ... it wasn't a one-time act." Boyd said the man was in his early 20s at the time. He said he was certain the man was of legal age when it began.

Reached Friday night, Haggard declined to comment and said all interviews would have to be arranged through a publicist for HBO, which is airing a documentary about him this month.

Boyd said the church reached a legal settlement to pay the man for counseling and college tuition, with one condition being that none of the parties involved discuss the matter publicly.

Boyd said a Colorado Springs TV station reached him Thursday to say the young man was planning to provide a detailed report of his relationship with Haggard to the station. Boyd said the church preferred to keep the matter private, but it was the man's decision to go public.

The disclosure comes as Haggard, 52, is about to give a series of high-profile interviews to promote the cable documentary about his time in exile. He is scheduled to appear on CNN's Larry King Live on Thursday, the date of the documentary's premiere, and already has taped "The Oprah Winfrey Show."

In early 2007, New Life Church disclosed that an investigation uncovered new evidence that Haggard engaged in "sordid conversation" and "improper relationships" — but didn't go into detail. Earlier, a church board member had said there was no evidence that Haggard had sexual relations with anyone but Mike Jones, the former male prostitute.

Haggard confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" after Jones' allegations and resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and from New Life Church, where he faced being fired.

Anticipating criticism of the settlement with the former church volunteer, Boyd said Friday that it was in the best interests of all involved. He would not name the volunteer or the settlement amount.

"It wasn't at all a settlement to make him be quiet or not tell his story," Boyd said. "Our desire was to help him. Here was a young man who wanted to get on with his life. We considered it more compassionate assistance — certainly not hush money. I know what's what everyone will want to say because that's the most salacious thing to say, but that's not at all what it was."
He said that "secondarily, it's not great for our church either" that the story be told. Boyd said Haggard knew about the settlement two years ago.

In a letter e-mailed Friday to New Life Church members, Boyd said of the settlement and agreement not to talk: "This decision was made not as an attempt to conceal wrongdoings, but to protect him from those who would seek to exploit him. His actions now suggest that he has changed his mind."

The letter said the church "received reports of a number of incidents of inappropriate behavior" after Haggard's fall. "In each case, we have tried our very best to do the right thing each time, including disciplinary action when appropriate."

Boyd said the "inappropriate behavior" referred to the man who was the volunteer involved with Haggard. After Haggard's fall, another church staff member resigned after admitting to what was described as "sexual misconduct."

Boyd said the church will not take action against the man if he tells his story in the press.

"We have legal standing to do that, but not the desire to," he said.


Boyd said he had spoken to the man once and came away with the impression that he was speaking out because of the documentary. "I think what caused this young man to be a bit aggravated was Ted being seen as a victim, when he himself had experienced a great deal of hurt," Boyd said. "I seriously doubt this man would have come forward if the documentary had not been made."

A spokeswoman for the documentary, "The Trials of Ted Haggard," declined to comment Friday.

David Clohessy, national director of SNAP, the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests — which has largely focused on the Catholic sexual abuse scandal but also speaks out on cases involving Protestant clergy — said the new disclosures about Haggard are more disturbing because they involves a church volunteer.

"Technically, legally, they were both adults," Clohessy said. "Psychologically and emotionally, Haggard was dramatically more powerful. ... By definition, any sexual contact between a congregant and minister is inherently abusive and manipulative." In an AP interview this month before an appearance in front of TV critics in California, Haggard described his sexuality as complex and something that can't be put into "stereotypical boxes."

Hmmm, one can only imagine what was in that pool !!!!