Good-Bye

[ecivon]

I'm leaving the board and wanted to say 'good-bye' to some of the good bro's on here. I've finished the last cycle I will ever do, so there really isn't any reason to continue to post here. To those that share my anti-war, anti-apartheid, anti-conservative/neo con positions more power to you. Never give up the battle.

I have nothing to hide in my identity. My name is Patrick Johnston and I take my political positions extremely seriously. I am the founder/executive director of VOXRX.ORG, a UN sanctioned/approved UNESCO ngo. Our mission statement: "VoxRx.org ~ A United Nations/UNESCO, Culture of Peace, peace and conciliations NGO. Providing communications links and lobbying services for political and humanitarian disadvantaged and the at risk in regions of conflict and hostility. Peace, hope, freedom and equal rights for every man, woman and child, regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, nationality, or socio-economic circumstance. Sovereignty and equal opportunity for all people."

Our work has evolved exclusively to Afghanistan and the Middle East. We have had hundreds of articles and documents circulated worldwide in an effort to provide a voice for the at risk and refugees in regions of conflict and hostility.

To check on our work you can search any combination of my name with voxrx.org, or any common name such as middle east, palestine, israel, afghanistan, united nations, etc.

Good-Bye and Peace ... it must be foremost in everyone's mind, always.

[mcpeepants]

Sad to see your going. I enjoyed hearing your oppinion and discussions on the middle east and central asia.

[singern]

Sorry to see you leave, although our discussions frequently want off-topic, they were good discussions none the less.

Shalom.

[ecivon]

Sorry to see you leave, although our discussions frequently want off-topic, they were good discussions none the less.

Shalom.

I had hoped you'd post to this. Shalom to you as well singern. And I mean that sincerely. I have some grandparents that were Jews who emigrated from Scotland. It surprised the entire family, no one knew about it until we were contacted by some Israeli researchers who had been studying dna. They were researching some people who were in Acre during the crusades who we are descended from. For some reason Israelis are always snooping around antiquity.

Contrary to what you might believe I have nothing against the existence of Israel, nor any animosity towards anything to do with jewishness -- just zionism, with a passion. But I do not limit it to zionism, but all religious based extremism, on all sides. I also have a real problem with borders as they relate to segregation. Peace to you and yours.

[dhriscerr]

Good luck in all you do with your life, and if you find yourself back here im sure many will look your way with debates over anit-war, It was nice to have your ideas posted in contrary to me being in the war and supporting the war, but not where were standing now. Also, is there really a final cycle???? Good luck

[ecivon]

Good luck in all you do with your life, and if you find yourself back here im sure many will look your way with debates over anit-war, It was nice to have your ideas posted in contrary to me being in the war and supporting the war, but not where were standing now. Also, is there really a final cycle???? Good luck

Thanks Bro ... I've been in the process of finishing a book on the migration patterns of immigrants to the US during the Great Migration during the early part of the 18th century. I've been stalling on it for two years and I'd really like to get it done. Half of my family are teachers/academics and half work for the government, including me off and on and they are bugging the crap out of me to get it done.

It's kind of ironic with all of the stuff going on in Iran, my uncle was the CIA helicopter pilot that flew Shah Pahlavi out of Iran during their revolution/uprising.

In regards to your last question ... My personal opinion? I think there just may be a 'final cycle' as you put it. Some times I think it doesn't matter in the whole picture what any of us does, that it is all somehow predetermined, pre-ordained what will happen. I am absolutely convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that as the world is going now nothing will derail the path we are on as humanity except a great and mind boggling catastrophe that will involve the entire world. The only thing that will have enough magnitude to convince us to elevate humanity above all else will be a worldwide war, or natural catastrophe (Killing millions, or even billions) to force us to truthfully look in the mirror to alter our behaviour towards each other and to be better stewards of the planet.

[dhriscerr]

I aggree I think the world is going to hell, and the United states just might be going faster than the rest. I love the U.S.A and im proud im an American but everyone is after there own agenda now and its tearing us apart, So much nit picking little shit that everyone blows out of proportion. But with that said. You dont need to think on the level of where humanity is going, you only have a limited number of years to enjoy this thing called life, and make the most out of every minute of it because in the overall long run of things once your gone the world is going to keep on destroying itself.

[ecivon]

I aggree I think the world is going to hell, and the United states just might be going faster than the rest. I love the U.S.A and im proud im an American but everyone is after there own agenda now and its tearing us apart, So much nit picking little shit that everyone blows out of proportion. But with that said. You dont need to think on the level of where humanity is going, you only have a limited number of years to enjoy this thing called life, and make the most out of every minute of it because in the overall long run of things once your gone the world is going to keep on destroying itself.

I understand what you're saying Bro and agree in principle with it. But I'm not overly concerned for myself, but more so for my kids and their grandkids and the state of the world left for them. I could give a fvck less about us, or being a catholic/jew (which I am), or judaism, or agnostic, whatever, but what we are leaving as a legacy and a liveable (unliveable) world for our kids and their kids. I can write us off very easily to make the world a more inhabitable place.

[Logan13]

I understand what you're saying Bro and agree in principle with it. But I'm not overly concerned for myself, but more so for my kids and their grandkids and the state of the world left for them. I could give a fvck less about us, or being a catholic/jew (which I am), or judaism, or agnostic, whatever, but what we are leaving as a legacy and a liveable (unliveable) world for our kids and their kids. I can write us off very easily to make the world a more inhabitable place.

I thought that you left like 4 posts ago...........

take care

[yourmom]

I thought that you left like 4 posts ago...........

take care

[feloniness]

thats intense

[Logan13]

I'm leaving the board and wanted to say 'good-bye' to some of the good bro's on here. I've finished the last cycle I will ever do, so there really isn't any reason to continue to post here. To those that share my anti-war, anti-apartheid, anti-conservative/neo con positions more power to you. Never give up the battle.

I have nothing to hide in my identity. My name is Patrick Johnston and I take my political positions extremely seriously. I am the founder/executive director of VOXRX.ORG, a UN sanctioned/approved UNESCO ngo. Our mission statement: "VoxRx.org ~ A United Nations/UNESCO, Culture of Peace, peace and conciliations NGO. Providing communications links and lobbying services for political and humanitarian disadvantaged and the at risk in regions of conflict and hostility. Peace, hope, freedom and equal rights for every man, woman and child, regardless of culture, ethnicity, religion, nationality, or socio-economic circumstance. Sovereignty and equal opportunity for all people."

Our work has evolved exclusively to Afghanistan and the Middle East. We have had hundreds of articles and documents circulated worldwide in an effort to provide a voice for the at risk and refugees in regions of conflict and hostility.

To check on our work you can search any combination of my name with voxrx.org, or any common name such as middle east, palestine, israel, afghanistan, united nations, etc.

Good-Bye and Peace ... it must be foremost in everyone's mind, always.

With all due respect, if this is true, what the hell are you doing on a steroid website discussing it?

[ecivon]

With all due respect, if this is true, what the hell are you doing on a steroid website discussing it?

It is true, all of it. I came here because of a combination of military/government injuries and injuring my wrist lifting. Because of the military injuries I need to lift to stay healthy. In the process I badly injured my wrist and had been told steroids could help and I was told about this site. I came here to get advice on the best cycle for what I was looking for to help me work through the injury. And I don't hide anything. I'm in the open and public about most everything I do, especially my political activism.

I'm leaving now because I have finished the last cycle I will ever do, not because there is anything 'wrong' with the site, or any of the posters/members, they are just like any other group. I turned the ngo operations over to others so that I could concentrate on my book. I'm not young, I'm not a kid.

[DTBusta]

Logan, no one is any more right wing then you my friend, no not even the president, god knows you'd do a better job then this one(not kidding either)just from reading your posts and battles with juiceoutbrain one can see this as evident.

Ec- we need more people like you, and I agree its zionism, but it isn't! To be zionist you just have to believe firmly you have the right to exist as a jewish state. So they do just like these right wing republicans, its just that they shouldn't have the right o invade countries when they see fit for economic reasons. They are a failing ideology and hopefully will die out when people finally had enough killing. More power to you my friend.

[DTBusta]

There is something a little wrong with this sight. As I said before the military are shooting themselves in the foot not advertising for recruitment on here!

[Kärnfysikern]

Sorry to se you go

Good luck and best wishes with everything bro.

[Teabagger]

Logan, no one is any more right wing then you my friend, no not even the president, god knows you'd do a better job then this one(not kidding either)just from reading your posts and battles with juiceoutbrain one can see this as evident.

Ec- we need more people like you, and I agree its zionism, but it isn't! To be zionist you just have to believe firmly you have the right to exist as a jewish state. So they do just like these right wing republicans, its just that they shouldn't have the right o invade countries when they see fit for economic reasons. They are a failing ideology and hopefully will die out when people finally had enough killing. More power to you my friend.

What is a failing "ideology"? Judiaism? EC...your affiliation with the UN does not help your cause or credibility. Peace to you as well EC, and to you DTBusta...grow up.

[juicedOUTbrain]

Zionism is an atheistic Ideology, but the leadership has the people convinced its the national identity of the Jews...Its a racist nationalistic movement and most true jews dont agree with it...Zionism is a falling ideology because the harder they push for it, the more people realize the hipocrisy of killing for peace.

"As soon as it was founded [zionism], it was condemned - Jews came out and said this is atheistic, this is idol worship..."-Rabbi Goldstein

If I can remeber, zionism is at odds with a majority of the ten commandments...Most orthadox jews in the US would probably agree with this assesment, the jewish side of my family does at least.

[DTBusta]

Zionism is a failing ideology, I thought I made that pretty clear. Those that abuse the fact that the jewish people deserve a land of their own and only make it more dangerous for them to carry out their daily lives by ruining others. "If your not with us then your with the terrorist" our president proclaimed. That was when he had "credibility" its him whos lost such an honor, not I.



I would never say Judaism is a dying ideology, this is a religion anyhow. It was clearly zionism that I was talking about. Don't take such offense so quickly. I don't say christianity is a dying ideology, but I do say and write about how and why Bush's camp uses and abuses the christian evangelicals. Thats a scary ideology when they support a war based on God. But they know the war isn't about God, its about oil and Iraqi "Freedom". Jews have every right to exist as the palestinians.

[J.S.N.]

come back from time to time meng. i haven't messed with gear for a year or two.

[singern]

Zionism is a failing ideology, I thought I made that pretty clear. .

Luckily for me and my family you couldnt be more wrong, the Idea of Jews living in Israel is very much alive. You should come visit.

[DTBusta]

the politicians taking advantage of that. I have jewish friends and they aren't happy about the current war hawks.


what was done in Lebanon this past summer could be argued only created more tensions. I hope its resolved, this invasion as well as the Iraq war so far only emboldened the extremists.

[3Vandoo]

bye patrick

[eliteforce]

http://www.voxrx.org/ i can't see the page?

>Luckily for me and my family you couldnt be more wrong, the Idea of Jews living in Israel is very much alive.

Zionism is "the idea of Jews living in Israel"? or is it to make an exclusivly jewish state. If the idea had been "lets just settle some Jews in Palestine" then I'm sure there wouldn't have been a problem. It was creating this by ethnic cleansing and the Jews ruling over that country was the problem.

[singern]

http://www.voxrx.org/ i can't see the page?

>Luckily for me and my family you couldnt be more wrong, the Idea of Jews living in Israel is very much alive.

Zionism is "the idea of Jews living in Israel"? or is it to make an exclusivly jewish state. If the idea had been "lets just settle some Jews in Palestine" then I'm sure there wouldn't have been a problem. It was creating this by ethnic cleansing and the Jews ruling over that country was the problem.

you make it sound like we are not the indigenous people of the land...and yes Zionism is simply put A jewish homeland. The idea that Jews can live free and safe in the land of our fathers. Not for "some jews" but for all jews.

Ethnic cleansing? I wont even comment on how ignorant and misinformed that is. But this is way off topic.

[Superhuman]

Best of luck to you in your future endeavors!