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    Mind reading technology

    Call for ethical debate over possible use of new technology in interrogation

    London Guardian | February 9, 2007
    Ian Sample

    A team of world-leading neuroscientists has developed a powerful technique that allows them to look deep inside a person's brain and read their intentions before they act.
    The research breaks controversial new ground in scientists' ability to probe people's minds and eavesdrop on their thoughts, and raises serious ethical issues over how brain-reading technology may be used in the future.

    The team used high-resolution brain scans to identify patterns of activity before translating them into meaningful thoughts, revealing what a person planned to do in the near future. It is the first time scientists have succeeded in reading intentions in this way.

    "Using the scanner, we could look around the brain for this information and read out something that from the outside there's no way you could possibly tell is in there. It's like shining a torch around, looking for writing on a wall," said John-Dylan Haynes at the Max Planck Institute for Human Cognitive and Brain Sciences in Germany, who led the study with colleagues at University College London and Oxford University.
    The research builds on a series of recent studies in which brain imaging has been used to identify tell-tale activity linked to lying, violent behaviour and racial prejudice.
    The latest work reveals the dramatic pace at which neuroscience is progressing, prompting the researchers to call for an urgent debate into the ethical issues surrounding future uses for the technology. If brain-reading can be refined, it could quickly be adopted to assist interrogations of criminals and terrorists, and even usher in a "Minority Report" era (as portrayed in the Steven Spielberg science fiction film of that name), where judgments are handed down before the law is broken on the strength of an incriminating brain scan.

    "These techniques are emerging and we need an ethical debate about the implications, so that one day we're not surprised and overwhelmed and caught on the wrong foot by what they can do. These things are going to come to us in the next few years and we should really be prepared," Professor Haynes told the Guardian.

    The use of brain scanners to judge whether people are likely to commit crimes is a contentious issue that society should tackle now, according to Prof Haynes. "We see the danger that this might become compulsory one day, but we have to be aware that if we prohibit it, we are also denying people who aren't going to commit any crime the possibility of proving their innocence."

    During the study, the researchers asked volunteers to decide whether to add or subtract two numbers they were later shown on a screen.

    Before the numbers flashed up, they were given a brain scan using a technique called functional magnetic imaging resonance. The researchers then used a software that had been designed to spot subtle differences in brain activity to predict the person's intentions with 70% accuracy.

    The study revealed signatures of activity in a marble-sized part of the brain called the medial prefrontal cortex that changed when a person intended to add the numbers or subtract them.

    Because brains differ so much, the scientists need a good idea of what a person's brain activity looks like when they are thinking something to be able to spot it in a scan, but researchers are already devising ways of deducing what patterns are associated with different thoughts.

    Barbara Sahakian, a professor of neuro-psychology at Cambridge University, said the rapid advances in neuroscience had forced scientists in the field to set up their own neuroethics society late last year to consider the ramifications of their research.

    "Do we want to become a 'Minority Report' society where we're preventing crimes that might not happen?," she asked. "For some of these techniques, it's just a matter of time. It is just another new technology that society has to come to terms with and use for the good, but we should discuss and debate it now because what we don't want is for it to leak into use in court willy nilly without people having thought about the consequences.

    "A lot of neuroscientists in the field are very cautious and say we can't talk about reading individuals' minds, and right now that is very true, but we're moving ahead so rapidly, it's not going to be that long before we will be able to tell whether someone's making up a story, or whether someone intended to do a crime with a certain degree of certainty."

    Professor Colin Blakemore, a neuroscientist and director of the Medical Research Council, said: "We shouldn't go overboard about the power of these techniques at the moment, but what you can be absolutely sure of is that these will continue to roll out and we will have more and more ability to probe people's intentions, minds, background thoughts, hopes and emotions.

    "Some of that is extremely desirable, because it will help with diagnosis, education and so on, but we need to be thinking the ethical issues through. It adds a whole new gloss to personal medical data and how it might be used."

    The technology could also drive advances in brain-controlled computers and machinery to boost the quality of life for disabled people. Being able to read thoughts as they arise in a person's mind could lead to computers that allow people to operate email and the internet using thought alone, and write with word processors that can predict which word or sentence you want to type . The technology is also expected to lead to improvements in thought-controlled wheelchairs and artificial limbs that respond when a person imagines moving.

    "You can imagine how tedious it is if you want to write a letter by using a cursor to pick out letters on a screen," said Prof Haynes. "It would be much better if you thought, 'I want to reply to this email', or, 'I'm thinking this word', and the computer can read that and understand what you want to do."

    · FAQ: Mind reading

    What have the scientists developed?
    They have devised a system that analyses brain activity to work out a person's intentions before they have acted on them. More advanced versions may be able to read complex thoughts and even pick them up before the person is conscious of them.

    How does it work?
    The computer learns unique patterns of brain activity or signatures that correspond to different thoughts. It then scans the brain to look for these signatures and predicts what the person is thinking.

    How could it be used?
    It is expected to drive advances in brain-controlled computers, leading to artificial limbs and machinery that respond to thoughts. More advanced versions could be used to help interrogate criminals and assess prisoners before they are released. Controversially, they may be able to spot people who plan to commit crimes before they break the law.

    What is next?
    The researchers are honing the technique to distinguish between passing thoughts and genuine intentions.

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    hmmm I think most people think about comiting crimes. I mean if someone hits on your girlfriend you might be thinking about killing the bastard.

    I dont se how it would ever be legaly possible to judge someone by what they are thinking?

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    yeah i agree. If i was judged on my thoughts about my ex, id prob be doin a few thousand life sentances.

    And if they think they got a problem wif spaces ion jailes here in the UK now, they may as well turn the UK into one giant jail island

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    hmmm I think most people think about comiting crimes. I mean if someone hits on your girlfriend you might be thinking about killing the bastard.

    I dont se how it would ever be legaly possible to judge someone by what they are thinking?
    Thats a good point...

    I have to say this stuff is scary...you have to consider that if these studies were done by a university, you know the government has been studying this stuff for a while now...And is probably much further along in thier research...

    If they can accurately read minds, maybe they can even change minds to an extent? Dangerous but neccesary science, IMO...

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    Quote Originally Posted by juicedOUTbrain
    Thats a good point...

    I have to say this stuff is scary...you have to consider that if these studies were done by a university, you know the government has been studying this stuff for a while now...And is probably much further along in thier research...

    If they can accurately read minds, maybe they can even change minds to an extent? Dangerous but neccesary science, IMO...

    I dont think the goverment is further along. All through history it has been shown that research done openly and publicly in universities progress alot faster than work done in secret.

    The best and brightest minds are in academia.
    Im sure the goverment is keeping track on it though.

    I think the complexity of the brain will be the biggest protection against tampering. With all the billions and billions of neurons and chemicals and everything going on up there I think it will be impossible to manipulate it cleverly.

    If this technology progress it could be the best thing against crime that we have ever seen. Aslong as it is strictly regulated it could be a real blessing to society.

    No more murderes going loose because of lack of evidence for instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I dont think the goverment is further along. All through history it has been shown that research done openly and publicly in universities progress alot faster than work done in secret.

    The best and brightest minds are in academia.
    Im sure the goverment is keeping track on it though.

    I think the complexity of the brain will be the biggest protection against tampering. With all the billions and billions of neurons and chemicals and everything going on up there I think it will be impossible to manipulate it cleverly.

    If this technology progress it could be the best thing against crime that we have ever seen. Aslong as it is strictly regulated it could be a real blessing to society.

    No more murderes going loose because of lack of evidence for instance.
    I have to disagree, just because its now open information that the CIA was doing mind control experiments on humans since the 1950's...Combine that with the huge budget, and resources...i think the government is probably ahead of the universitys in its research...thats just my opinion, i dont really have anything to back it up...

    But we know they've been at it for a while now...

    From wikipedia
    Project MKULTRA (also known as MK-ULTRA) was the code name for a CIA mind-control research program that began in the 1950s.[1][2] There is much published evidence that the project involved not only the use of drugs to manipulate persons, but also the use of electronic signals to alter brain functioning.[3]

    It was first brought to wide public attention by the U.S. Congress (in the form of the Church Committee) and a presidential commission (known as the Rockefeller Commission) (see Revelation below) and also to the U.S. Senate.

    On the Senate floor in 1977, Senator Ted Kennedy said:

    The Deputy Director of the CIA revealed that over thirty universities and institutions were involved in an 'extensive testing and experimentation' program which included covert drug tests on unwitting citizens 'at all social levels, high and low, native Americans and foreign.' Several of these tests involved the administration of LSD to 'unwitting subjects in social situations.' At least one death, that of Dr. Olson, resulted from these activities. The Agency itself acknowledged that these tests made little scientific sense. The agents doing the monitoring were not qualified scientific observers. Source
    These experiments could be the best thing to come to humanity, it could also be very dangerous...Governments always tend to abuse thier resources, IMO...

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    look at it this way. If this technology would prevent crime, there would be less killings etc, meanin more population / overcrowding, and if the jails are not very full, ther would be job losses and if there were job losses more people claim benefit,and if thaty happens we pay more tax.

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    I read an article in Popular Science about a year ago that predicted that by 2045, they (whoever "They" are) will have invented a machine to copy the contents of a human brain into a computer. No more secrets, the gov't will have access to everything . . .
    . . . and if the gov't has it, so will corporate America.

    Ugh . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    I read an article in Popular Science about a year ago that predicted that by 2045, they (whoever "They" are) will have invented a machine to copy the contents of a human brain into a computer. No more secrets, the gov't will have access to everything . . .
    . . . and if the gov't has it, so will corporate America.

    Ugh . . .
    if there was the ability to copy out brains information into a computer, surely we would have to give our consent, otherwise it would be a breach of our human rights. Obviously if you a pedofile up for parole it might be a good idea to scan the brain and see if they still have them sorts of thoughs, and if so dont let them out. (personaly the only way to deal with them sort of people is the death penalty but thats a whole different discussion)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical King
    if there was the ability to copy out brains information into a computer, surely we would have to give our consent, otherwise it would be a breach of our human rights. Obviously if you a pedofile up for parole it might be a good idea to scan the brain and see if they still have them sorts of thoughs, and if so dont let them out. (personaly the only way to deal with them sort of people is the death penalty but thats a whole different discussion)

    well texas is trying to get that passed. I think a lot of the reason some men are pedophiles is becasue 200 years ago(don't quote me on that) 30 year old men were marrying 12 year olds. Only in the recent future has this changed. millions of years of this ingrained in a persons brain is hard to get rid of it in a few hundred years. I'm not saying that it is right though, jsut that i dont think people can help it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juicedOUTbrain
    I have to disagree, just because its now open information that the CIA was doing mind control experiments on humans since the 1950's...Combine that with the huge budget, and resources...i think the government is probably ahead of the universitys in its research...thats just my opinion, i dont really have anything to back it up...

    But we know they've been at it for a while now...
    You need to have more faith in the scientific community

    Quote Originally Posted by juicedOUTbrain
    These experiments could be the best thing to come to humanity, it could also be very dangerous...Governments always tend to abuse thier resources, IMO...
    We probably have a good 40 years before we have to worry about it though. By that time I bet we will have cybernetics implants already and then we can probably work around any neurological brain scans.

    It would atleast make jury duty useless. A honest man beeing judged would have nothing to fear from a brainscan and a criminal deserves to get busted. The limitation would offcourse be that any evidence found for other crime or criminal intentions not related to the one in question should be discarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chemical King
    if there was the ability to copy out brains information into a computer, surely we would have to give our consent, otherwise it would be a breach of our human rights. Obviously if you a pedofile up for parole it might be a good idea to scan the brain and see if they still have them sorts of thoughs, and if so dont let them out. (personaly the only way to deal with them sort of people is the death penalty but thats a whole different discussion)
    Yeah I agree.

    Aslong as the laws arent stupid then I dont se any danger in brain scans for convicting criminals.

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    The history channel mentioned that wherever we are in techknowlogy and science that in private the government is 50-60 years in the future.Wether this is true or not, time after time, techknowlogy, wireless, gps, and many others are slowly leaked when a company can figure out how to sell it to the public for profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    Yeah I agree.

    Aslong as the laws arent stupid then I dont se any danger in brain scans for convicting criminals.
    i best start behaving then.lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    Yeah I agree.

    Aslong as the laws arent stupid then I dont se any danger in brain scans for convicting criminals.

    I would hate to see that implemented. That would totally violate the 4th or 5th amendment in the US. People have a right to privacy and the right not to incriminate themselves.

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    *puts on foil hat*

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