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    A big "THANK YOU" from the Bush Administration to Iraqi War Vets

    Bush budget cuts veterans health care in 2009

    http://edition.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS....ap/index.html


    February 13, 2007
    Story Highlights
    Bush budget assumes cuts in veterans' health care in 2009, 2010
    VA medical care costs have risen yearly for 20 years
    Number of veterans from Iraq, Afghanistan expected to increase 26 percent


    WASHINGTON (AP)
    -- The Bush administration's budget assumes cuts to veterans' health care two years from now -- even as badly wounded troops returning from Iraq could overwhelm the system.

    Bush is using the cuts, critics say, to help fulfill his pledge to balance the budget by 2012. But even administration allies say the numbers are not real and are being used to make the overall budget picture look better.

    After an increase sought for next year, the Bush budget would turn current trends on their head. Even though the cost of providing medical care to veterans has been growing rapidly -- by more than 10 percent in many years -- White House budget documents assume consecutive cutbacks in 2009 and 2010 and a freeze thereafter.

    The proposed cuts are unrealistic in light of recent VA budget trends -- its medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office -- sowing suspicion that the White House is simply making them up to make its long-term deficit figures look better.

    "Either the administration is willingly proposing massive cuts in VA health care," said Rep. Chet Edwards of Texas, chairman of the panel overseeing the VA's budget. "Or its promise of a balanced budget by 2012 is based on completely unrealistic assumptions."

    A spokesman for Larry Craig, R-Idaho, the top Republican on the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, called the White House moves another step in a longtime "budgeting game."

    "No one who is knowledgeable about VA budgeting issues anticipates any cuts to VA funding. None. Zero. Zip," Craig spokesman Jeff Schrade said.

    Edwards said that a more realistic estimate of veterans costs is $16 billion higher than the Bush estimate for 2012.

    In fact, even the White House doesn't seem serious about the numbers. It says the long-term budget numbers don't represent actual administration policies. Similar cuts assumed in earlier budgets have been reversed.

    The veterans cuts, said White House budget office spokesman Sean Kevelighan, "don't reflect any policy decisions. We'll revisit them when we do the (future) budgets."

    The number of veterans coming into the VA health care system has been rising by about 5 percent a year as the number of people returning from Iraq with illnesses or injuries keep rising. Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans represent almost 5 percent of the VA's patient caseload, and many are returning from battle with grievous injuries requiring costly care, such as traumatic brain injuries.

    All told, the VA expects to treat about 5.8 million patients next year, including 263,000 veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan.

    The VA has been known to get short-term budget estimates wrong as well. Two years ago, Congress had to pass an emergency $1.5 billion infusion for veterans health programs for 2005 and added $2.7 billion to Bush's request for 2006. The VA underestimated the number of veterans, including those from Iraq and Afghanistan, who were seeking care, as well as the cost of treatment and long-term care.

    The budget for hospital and medical care for veterans is at $35.6 billion for the current year, and would rise to $39.6 billion in 2008 under Bush's budget. That's about 9 percent. But the budget faces a cut to $38.8 billion in 2009 and would hover around that level through 2012.

    The cuts come even as the number of veterans from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars is expected to increase 26 percent next year.

    In Bush's proposal to balance the budget by 2012, he's assuming that spending on domestic agency operating budgets will increase by about 1 percent each year.

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    thats nice

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    Send them to war, then cut their health care when they come back with missing limbs.
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    The VA's medical care budget has risen every year for two decades and 83 percent in the six years since Bush took office. It may be a cut, the first one in decades, but the net increase over his 8 years in office is rather significant. Besides, when did you start caring about our soldiers, at least the straight ones?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Besides, when did you start caring about our soldiers, at least the straight ones?
    Man Logan, that was uncalled for...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    Man Logan, that was uncalled for...
    It may be a hard truth, but it is the truth nonetheless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    It may be a hard truth, but it is the truth nonetheless.
    We'll have to disagree then... as far as I am concerned Tock did his part and served his country. I for one won't question his concerns for other soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Besides, when did you start caring about our soldiers, at least the straight ones?
    You don't know me, how I feel about the military, or what I care for. And please remember your comment the next time you decide to PM me for advice about GH.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    We'll have to disagree then... as far as I am concerned Tock did his part and served his country. I for one won't question his concerns for other soldiers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Ketchup
    Man Logan, that was uncalled for...
    He's referring to my boyfriend who is in the military and has been to war. He's being his usual childish self trying to provoke an argument. It didn't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    You don't know me, how I feel about the military, or what I care for. And please remember your comment the next time you decide to PM me for advice about GH.


    He's referring to my boyfriend who is in the military and has been to war. He's being his usual childish self trying to provoke an argument. It didn't work.
    Unless you have changed your name to Tock I do not see what you are all upset about. It was not about your soldier BF, it was about a guy who has never said anything positive about our men in uniform and yet decides to come out of the woodwork on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Unless you have changed your name to Tock I do not see what you are all upset about. It was not about your soldier BF, it was about a guy who has never said anything positive about our men in uniform and yet decides to come out of the woodwork on this one.
    This is not one of your better posts, Logan.

    I don't think I've had occasion to comment one way or the other about US military folks. If it makes any difference to you, I run my own business, and give hefty discounts to military guys -- even if they're straight.

    The crazy people in the Bush Adminstration are willing to send hundreds of thousands of Americans to war, but they are not willing to see that their injuries are looked after when they return. What sort of leaders are these?

    Last I heard, the VA hospitals were in pretty sad shape. I've been to the one in Dallas, and though it's had a recent update, it's still horribly overcrowded and understaffed. I can't beleive all those White House Idiots who never went to war plan to make things worse for the thousands of injured Iraq veterans . . . Kinda makes ya ashamed that he's the President of my country, really . . .

    Sheesh . . .


    By the way, were you ever in the military?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    This is not one of your better posts, Logan.

    I don't think I've had occasion to comment one way or the other about US military folks. If it makes any difference to you, I run my own business, and give hefty discounts to military guys -- even if they're straight.

    The crazy people in the Bush Adminstration are willing to send hundreds of thousands of Americans to war, but they are not willing to see that their injuries are looked after when they return. What sort of leaders are these?

    Last I heard, the VA hospitals were in pretty sad shape. I've been to the one in Dallas, and though it's had a recent update, it's still horribly overcrowded and understaffed. I can't beleive all those White House Idiots who never went to war plan to make things worse for the thousands of injured Iraq veterans . . . Kinda makes ya ashamed that he's the President of my country, really . . .

    Sheesh . . .


    By the way, were you ever in the military?
    When was the last time that you posted anything positive about the military? You come out of the wood work to post this, and it's not because you care about those in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    When was the last time that you posted anything positive about the military? You come out of the wood work to post this, and it's not because you care about those in the military.
    About the military? They're pretty much just a utilitarian arm of the government, sort of like the post office or the National Parks Dept.

    I don't recall saying much of anything about them one way or the other.
    On the other hand, I have voice my opinion about the folks who make policy and tell the military what to do. It's those higher-ups that I have freely heaped castigation upon. But the grunts doing the actual fighting? Since I've once walked in their shoes, as I've served my time in the USAF, I have an idea of what they're going through. I did my job when I was in, they're doing their job, we all did and are doing a pretty good job.

    Other than that, I've not much to comment . . . other than,

    By the way, were you ever in the military?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    About the military? They're pretty much just a utilitarian arm of the government, sort of like the post office or the National Parks Dept.

    I don't recall saying much of anything about them one way or the other.
    On the other hand, I have voice my opinion about the folks who make policy and tell the military what to do. It's those higher-ups that I have freely heaped castigation upon. But the grunts doing the actual fighting? Since I've once walked in their shoes, as I've served my time in the USAF, I have an idea of what they're going through. I did my job when I was in, they're doing their job, we all did and are doing a pretty good job.

    Other than that, I've not much to comment . . . other than,

    By the way, were you ever in the military?
    no, I was not, but I sure as hell defend them against the far-left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    no, i was not.
    Hmmm . . .

    So, someone who has not been in the military, is defending the Bush Administration (full of people who have not been in the military) proposal to cut VA medical funding?

    Well, at least someone on this board supports our troops.





    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Were you honorably discharged?
    Yes, I was. Way back in 1977.

    You know, I'll bet they'll take you if you want to volunteer. It would be a wonderful way for you to demonstrate your patriotism.
    What do you say, eh? Wanna join the Marines? Get your a-- shipped to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight for whatever it is that we're fighting for over there? Maybe get shot, lose a leg or two, then come back to underfunded VA hospitals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Hmmm . . .

    So, someone who has not been in the military, is defending the Bush Administration (full of people who have not been in the military) proposal to cut VA medical funding?

    Well, at least someone on this board supports our troops.

    es, I was. Way back in 1977.

    You know, I'll bet they'll take you if you want to volunteer. It would be a wonderful way for you to demonstrate your patriotism.
    What do you say, eh? Wanna join the Marines? Get your a-- shipped to Iraq or Afghanistan to fight for whatever it is that we're fighting for over there? Maybe get shot, lose a leg or two, then come back to underfunded VA hospitals?
    I was offered to wrestle at Annapolis, but I went to Iowa instead. Uncle was killed in Vietnam, dad survived Vietnam. My brother and best friend are in Iraq now, so do not give that bullshit. Thank you for your service, it is a shame that even after having been in, you care little for those who are in now.
    My turn:
    What war did you fight in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    I was offered to wrestle at Annapolis, but I went to Iowa instead. Uncle was killed in Vietnam, dad survived Vietnam. My brother and best friend are in Iraq now, so do not give that bullshit.
    That's them.

    What about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    That's them.

    What about you?
    I have already answered, now it's your turn.

    What war did you serve in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    My turn:
    What war did you fight in?

    I was too young for the Vietnam war, but volunteered shortly afterward. Had Bush been President then, I would have been ready to go to Iraq, maybe die there.

    So what's your point?

    Sounds like you (a virgin to military service) are defending Bush, who went AWOL in the Reserves, who sent troops to fight overseas, and who now wants to cut VA funding for the returning veterans. And I, who was in the USAF, ready and willing to go anywhere and do anything to defend the USA, am standing up for the medical treatment of American men in uniform who come back missing arms and legs.

    And you're giving me trash on this?


    No, I think you should spend some of your own time in uniform.
    http://www.usmc.mil/marinelink/mcn20...epage?readform

    Go ahead. It'll make a man out of ya . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    I was too young for the Vietnam war, but volunteered shortly afterward. Had Bush been President then, I would have been ready to go to Iraq, maybe die there.

    So what's your point?

    And you're giving me trash on this?

    Go ahead. It'll make a man out of ya . . .
    Sorry, but it obviously did not work for you........

    You wanted to make something out of my not serving, and yet commenting on the war. Using your criteria, you have not been to war anymore than I have, so how can you talk about matters of war? You brought it up...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Sorry, but it obviously did not work for you........

    You wanted to make something out of my not serving, and yet commenting on the war. Using your criteria, you have not been to war anymore than I have, so how can you talk about matters of war? You brought it up...........
    I've been in the military. I've seen veterans in the VA hospitals. I'm against cutting medical funding for injured veterans.

    You, on the other hand, have never been in the military. I dunno if you have ever seen bunches of injured vets, but evidently you're in favor of cutting hospital services for them.

    No, this is not about war. It's about taking care of the folks who are returning from war, and what we're gonna do about them.
    Bush and the rest of his never-been-in-the-military conservatives want to cut medical care to veterans. Me, I'm in favor of making medical care available to disabled veterans. You, it seems, are not.

    That's the difference between liberals and conservatives.
    Liberals --> relluctant to start a war, willing to care for veterans.
    Conservatives --> eager to start a war, unwilling to participate, willing to let other folks fight, unwilling to pay for the medical expenses of the injured soldiers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    I've been in the military. I've seen veterans in the VA hospitals. I'm against cutting medical funding for injured veterans.

    You, on the other hand, have never been in the military. I dunno if you have ever seen bunches of injured vets, but evidently you're in favor of cutting hospital services for them.

    No, this is not about war. It's about taking care of the folks who are returning from war, and what we're gonna do about them.
    Bush and the rest of his never-been-in-the-military conservatives want to cut medical care to veterans. Me, I'm in favor of making medical care available to disabled veterans. You, it seems, are not.

    That's the difference between liberals and conservatives.
    Liberals --> relluctant to start a war, willing to care for veterans.
    Conservatives --> eager to start a war, unwilling to participate, willing to let other folks fight, unwilling to pay for the medical expenses of the injured soldiers.
    you may have the experience to tell us all about a Dirty Sanchez, but not about military matters.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Unless you have changed your name to Tock I do not see what you are all upset about.
    Your post followed mine. I thought your commented was directed to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    you may have the experience to tell us all about a Dirty Sanchez, but not about military matters.....

    so the ex-military guy can't talk about the military? but you can? i'm confused.....


    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    That's the difference between liberals and conservatives.
    Liberals --> relluctant to start a war, willing to care for veterans.
    Conservatives --> eager to start a war, unwilling to participate, willing to let other folks fight, unwilling to pay for the medical expenses of the injured soldiers
    spot on chap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Your post followed mine. I thought your commented was directed to me.
    not at all, in fact I asked you to tell your other half "thank you for his service" in a post earlier this year. Regardless of sexual orientation, those in the military have my respect and appreciation.

    -Logan13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snrfmaster
    so the ex-military guy can't talk about the military? but you can? i'm confused.....

    The "ex-military guy" can talk about war in the same capacity that I can, although it is obvious that I have a higher regard for those who are serving. He brought this topic up, not I.


    spot on chap!
    if it we had to depend solely on Liberals to fill out our military, we would not have a military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    if it we had to depend solely on Liberals to fill out our military, we would not have a military.

    I guess the same can be said about conservatives when considering individuals like yourself, Dick Cheney, etc.

    I think, Logan, we are all waiting on your justification on how someone who has been in the military cannot speak on military issues, but someone like yourself, who's never been in the military can speak on military issues. You have proved yourself to be a relatively smart individual most times, but we are all skeptical about your theory on this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    I guess the same can be said about conservatives when considering individuals like yourself, Dick Cheney, etc.

    I think, Logan, we are all waiting on your justification on how someone who has been in the military cannot speak on military issues, but someone like yourself, who's never been in the military can speak on military issues. You have proved yourself to be a relatively smart individual most times, but we are all skeptical about your theory on this issue.
    BG, I never said that he did not have the right to speak on military matters. He does, just as anyone else does. We are all afforded the right to speak on any issue, right or wrong. No one has the right to deny anyone's voice. My comment was more about my opinion on Tock's opinions in this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    you may have the experience to tell us all about a Dirty Sanchez, but not about military matters.....

    Granted, all I know about the military is what I read in the papers, and the experience I had when I was enlisted, ready to go to war. But then, all you know is what you read in the papers -- you're like Dick Cheney, ready to send other guys to war, but not willing to go yourself.


    And what's a "Dirty Sanchez?"
    -Tock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Granted, all I know about the military is what I read in the papers, and the experience I had when I was enlisted, ready to go to war. But then, all you know is what you read in the papers -- you're like Dick Cheney, ready to send other guys to war, but not willing to go yourself.


    And what's a "Dirty Sanchez?"
    -Tock
    Apparently some on here akin this to gays only, which is funny since you do not even know what it is.......... Screech (Saved by the Bell) just did this in his porn tape, with a girl even!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Sanchez

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    hahaha, I knew it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    you may have the experience to tell us all about a Dirty Sanchez, but not about military matters.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Forza Mentale
    Apparently some on here akin this to gays only, which is funny since you do not even know what it is.......... Screech (Saved by the Bell) just did this in his porn tape, with a girl even!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirty_Sanchez

    So with one name he says Tock would know about Dirty Sanchez's and with the other he rolls his eyes at the stupidity of someone who'd think only gays would know what a dirty sanchez is?!?

    rofl, nice one Logan

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