Caught On Video: Israel Used Palestinian As Human Shield

[Tock]

It seems the Israeli army grabbed a civilian at random, and held him in front of their squad while they searched houses for terrorists. Not cool -- against Israeli law, too.
Read on:
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n2674375.shtml

On Video: Palestinian As Human Shield
Caught On Video: Israel Used Palestinian As Human Shield

JERUSALEM, Apr. 11, 2007
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(AP) Sameh Amira was fast asleep when he was jolted awake by pounding at the front door. Israeli troops were on a manhunt for wanted militants in the West Bank and decided to draft help.

The terror-stricken 24-year-old Palestinian soon found himself forced onto the front lines of Israel's shadowy war against militants, a human shield as he led heavily armed soldiers from house to house. "I was afraid I would die," he said in a recent interview.

For several years, Palestinians had complained about the army's use of human shields, but proof was difficult to come by. Then in late February, Associated Press Television News captured footage of the incident involving Amira.

The video has prompted the army to launch a rare criminal investigation into whether its soldiers violated a landmark Israeli Supreme Court 2005 ruling barring the use of human shields. Others, including an 11-year-old girl, have been emboldened to come forward with similar accounts of being compelled to walk ahead of soldiers looking for militants.

International law, including the Geneva Conventions and Hague regulations, prohibits placing civilians in harm's way during military operations.

The army promises a vigorous investigation. "Violations of the law or of rulings of the Israeli High Court of Justice are viewed with severity," said Capt. Noa Meir, a spokeswoman.

The case highlights one of the many human rights issues the army is dealing with as it enters its fifth decade of military occupation in the West Bank. The army says operations like the raid in Nablus are needed to protect Israelis and Israel's security. But after six years of fighting in the latest intifada, the army's tactics have become increasingly tough on Palestinians not part of the conflict.

The army moved into Nablus _ a major West Bank city known as a militant stronghold _ on Feb. 24 in a broad sweep targeting militants and weapons labs. The operation shut down large parts of the city for six days and confined thousands of people to their homes.

Residents have given harrowing accounts as troops moved house to house in search of wanted men. The soldiers reached Jihan Dadoush's home in the poor Jasmine quarter of Nablus' Old city on Feb. 28.

Dadoush, 11, said she was watching the news with her family at about 8:30 p.m. when there was a knock on the door. She said the troops questioned her father and older sister before turning to her.

"I was very afraid because the soldiers were screaming at me, so I told them about a house where young men sometimes go," the ponytailed girl said, hesitating and moving about restlessly as she spoke.

About 15 minutes later, she said the troops returned and called her name. They ordered her to come with them, threatening to arrest her and ignoring her father's pleas to leave her alone, she said.

"I was shouting, 'Where are you taking my daughter? Bring her back! Bring her back!'" her father, Nimr Dadoush, said in an interview, explaining the girl has a heart condition. "They didn't answer me." Dadoush, 38, who sells vegetables and works in construction, said he is not politically active.

Jihan said the troops ordered her to show them the hideout. "They made me walk in front of them. There were many soldiers behind me with their weapons and they frightened me," she said, breaking into tears.

Questions about army practices peaked in the spring of 2002 during an offensive in the West Bank in response to suicide bombings. During the operation, soldiers often forced Palestinian civilians to approach the homes and hideouts of wanted people.

The army at that time defended the practice, known as "the neighbor procedure," saying it took civilians out of harm's way and encouraged militants to surrender peacefully. The army says it never allowed troops to use civilians for cover during battles.

But in August 2002, a 19-year-old Palestinian student was killed in a gnfight that erupted after he was forced to knock on the door of a building where a Hamas fugitive was hiding.

In its 2005 ruling, the Supreme Court barred any use of civilians in military operations, including the neighbor procedure. Since then, human rights groups say the number of cases has dropped sharply. But Palestinians and Israeli critics say the practice continues.

"When you have to decide between risking your soldiers' lives or just a Palestinian bystander, the solution ... suddenly becomes much more logical than it sounds," said Avichay Sharon, 25, a former Israeli commando who served from 2000 to 2003.

Sharon belongs to "Breaking the Silence," a group of former soldiers who say army tactics in the West Bank are hurting Israel's moral character. Based on confidential interviews his group has conducted with some 400 former and active soldiers, Sharon says the "human shield" practice remains common.

"Everyone has done it, seen it, witnessed it," he said.

On the morning of Feb. 25, an AP cameraman followed a group of army jeeps rushing to a Nablus neighborhood. The cameraman noticed a young man dressed in shorts and a T-shirt who appeared out of place on the cold morning.

The cameraman zoomed in and filmed the man, later identified as Amira, leading soldiers through the front door of an apartment.

Gunshots were heard as several soldiers stood guard outside. Amira then left the home, walked down the stairs and escorted the soldiers around the side of the building. Later, he was led down some stairs with several suspects and put into a military vehicle.

Speaking to the AP, Amira said he led troops to three homes, including his own. He said soldiers fired into bedroom closets in his house _ apparently thinking militants might be hiding inside.

"They made me go in front of them in every room they wanted to enter, and they fired behind my back," Amira said, pointing to bullet holes in the floor, closet doors and clothes.

Amira said he has no ties to any militant group, though a cousin is wanted by Israel. He said he was held for several hours before being released.

Over the coming weeks, the army gave several versions of the events.

Initially, it said soldiers had found Amira wandering in the streets and escorted him home. After being shown the video, the army said the images "do not appear to indicate any mistreatment" of civilians, but pledged "a thorough inquiry."

Then, on March 15, after the AP video had been aired worldwide and new human shield allegations emerged, the army announced a formal criminal probe in a one-sentence statement released shortly before midnight. A military official, speaking on condition of anonymity under military rules, said the probe was ordered because of the AP footage.

The army said it is looking into four such complaints, including one from a 15-year-old cousin of Amira and from the family of Jihan, the 11-year-old. Several other Palestinians, including a 47-year-old man and two more members of the Amira family, have approached the AP with similar stories.

Jessica Montell, executive director of the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, said such complaints rarely lead to punishments.

For instance, less than 8 percent of military investigations into physical abuse by troops have led to convictions in the past six years, she said, citing army figures. But she said the video is "crucial" evidence that is rarely available.

Montell, whose group is assisting Amira and Dadoush, said the probe could lead to anything from disciplinary measures to criminal indictments. And while it is too early to say whether the use of human shields is pervasive, she said she hopes the probe will determine full responsibility.

"It's hard to imagine that the individual soldiers took the initiative here. At least at some level, some commander is instructing and training soldiers," Montell said.br>
In Israel, the video aired on evening newscasts for several days, but reaction was subdued.

After years of Palestinian suicide bombings, the public tends to support the army's tactics if they keep things quiet. "In order to save Israeli soldiers, I would do it," said Yitzhak Goren, a 78-year-old Holocaust survivor from the coastal town of Netanya. But, he added, "only when there is no other choice."

Asaf Abraham, a high school senior from a Jerusalem suburb, said he opposed such tactics. "When you practice immorality on the outside, it's going to affect the inside," he said.

Amira, meanwhile, has become something of a hero in Nablus, easily recognized by his boyish face and slick brown hair.

But the young man says the attention has been a curse. Amira said he worked for several years in a nearby Jewish settlement. Since the video aired, he said he has not been able to renew a work permit, and he fears he is being punished by the Israeli authorities.

"I don't do anything. I hang out, sleep, and walk around. I have nothing to do," he said.

[Vinlander]

This must be the liberal media. It couldn't be those nice, friendly Israelis we're hearing about.

[RamyGras]

This isn't the first time they've done this.

[***xxx***]

well, ya aint gonna hear something about it from our israeli friends

[Carlsberg]

makes me mad

[singern]

If you are waiting for denial, or a redirection of blame you will be disappointed. yes it is illegal under Israeli law, and Yes it happens.

IMO: when compared to the vampiric crimes and terror committed by the Palestinians, this seems a very insignificant yet effective way to capture and kill militants and terrorists......

[Vinlander]

If you are waiting for denial, or a redirection of blame you will be disappointed. yes it is illegal under Israeli law, and Yes it happens.

IMO: when compared to the vampiric crimes and terror committed by the Palestinians, this seems a very insignificant yet effective way to capture and kill militants and terrorists......

Palestinians are committing no crime. It's Palestinian land. The "Israelis" who settled there are mainly from Europe and have no business there. I say let them fight it out and blow each-other up.

"Vampiric crimes." How about I go squat in your living room and tell you that I'm going to use this place as my residence? See how hospitable you are then.

[singern]

Palestinians are committing no crime. It's Palestinian land. The "Israelis" who settled there are mainly from Europe and have no business there.
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I dont give a flying squirrel about your home, it doesnt belong to me. but dont use the the fictional Arab created argument that Jews are not the indigenous people of the land of Israel. Like it or not Israel is here and its here to stay.

FYI. strapping a bomb on your kid and sending him to blow up a restaurant full of innocent people is indeed a crime anywhere on the planet. and yes I call the insatiable need to spill Jewish blood "vampiric" for obvious reasons.

[Vinlander]

I dont give a flying squirrel about your home, it doesnt belong to me. but dont use the the fictional Arab created argument that Jews are not the indigenous people of the land of Israel. Like it or not Israel is here and its here to stay.

FYI. strapping a bomb on your kid and sending him to blow up a restaurant full of innocent people is indeed a crime anywhere on the planet. and yes I call the insatiable need to spill Jewish blood "vampiric" for obvious reasons.

Let them/you fight it out. There's a reason Jews have been "persecuted" throughout thousands of years of history and from what I've seen here, it's not some mistaken case of identity. They're just as vicious, bloodthirsty and "vampiric" as the Palestinians could ever be. I won't cry a tear for either group.

[goose]

Great read,nothing new.Very dirty...

[singern]

. There's a reason Jews have been "persecuted" throughout thousands of years of history and from what I've seen here, it's not some mistaken case of identity. They're just as vicious, bloodthirsty and "vampiric" as the Palestinians could ever be. .

Your statements are clearly based on a personal agenda, and not any form of reality. But I will defend your right to say even such pointless nonsense.

[Vinlander]

Typical campaign of denial from Israelis or those Christian fundamentalists with an abnormal fetish for their "chosen people." Whatever, pal. I'm not responding to another one of your ridiculous, unsupported opinions.

[singern]

I'm not responding to another one of your ridiculous, unsupported opinions.

No surprise, Your posts have been a clear picture of your inability to rationally discuss an issue.

[RamyGras]

Palestinians are committing no crime. It's Palestinian land. The "Israelis" who settled there are mainly from Europe and have no business there. I say let them fight it out and blow each-other up.

"Vampiric crimes." How about I go squat in your living room and tell you that I'm going to use this place as my residence? See how hospitable you are then.

Way off base. That's the kind of mentality that I wish both sides would let go of.

[RamyGras]

If you are waiting for denial, or a redirection of blame you will be disappointed. yes it is illegal under Israeli law, and Yes it happens.

IMO: when compared to the vampiric crimes and terror committed by the Palestinians, this seems a very insignificant yet effective way to capture and kill militants and terrorists......

One is not better than the other. And if you don't realize this, you are no better than the terrorists.

[RamyGras]

I dont give a flying squirrel about your home, it doesnt belong to me. but dont use the the fictional Arab created argument that Jews are not the indigenous people of the land of Israel. Like it or not Israel is here and its here to stay.

FYI. strapping a bomb on your kid and sending him to blow up a restaurant full of innocent people is indeed a crime anywhere on the planet. and yes I call the insatiable need to spill Jewish blood "vampiric" for obvious reasons.

Yeah, I hear they do this on a daily basis. Sucks to be the kids. Get real.

[Flagg]

There's not a country on this planet born out of blood and killing. We walk on the bones of the dead everyday but one day the West will stop caring about Israel.

[Vinlander]

Way off base. That's the kind of mentality that I wish both sides would let go of.

No, it's not off-base. Both groups are plagues on mankind and have historically been like rats at a dinner party. I see no reason why we Americans should spend one dollar supporting either or one life defending them. If we withdrew our support, Israel would collapse in a matter of weeks and be overrun by more groups than the Palestinians. Amazing how totally unconnected groups can formulate the same opinion on them, regardless of the era in history. It must be COINCIDENCE.

[RamyGras]

No, it's not off-base. Both groups are plagues on mankind and have historically been like rats at a dinner party. I see no reason why we Americans should spend one dollar supporting either or one life defending them. If we withdrew our support, Israel would collapse in a matter of weeks and be overrun by more groups than the Palestinians. Amazing how totally unconnected groups can formulate the same opinion on them, regardless of the era in history. It must be COINCIDENCE.

Without getting too far into it, since I'm not really in the mood. The Israelis and Palestinians both have a right to the land. The Israelis, deep down, know this. As do the Palestinians. This is why the whole thing is controversial. Plagues on mankind? Yeah, in your eyes. But, these two groups of people are not the only people fighting wars. Our own country has been in 7 wars in the past hundred years. Are we plagues on mankind? If we withdrew support, then Israel would be in a craphole. I don't agree with the Israeli government, probably never have. However, I will never judge the Israeli people based on their government, just like I will never judge the Palestinian people based on those who commit suicide bombs in civilian areas. Life isn't so black and white, unfortunately. That would be too easy.

[RamyGras]

My point was, total annihalation of both groups isn't quite the best solution. Unless you have ties to the region, my assumption would be that the only plague it is, is reading the headlines in the newspapers.

[Flagg]

My point was, total annihalation of both groups isn't quite the best solution. Unless you have ties to the region, my assumption would be that the only plague it is, is reading the headlines in the newspapers.

Well what is the solution? Neither side will ever defer to the other so what do you think would solve the problem?

[Vinlander]

Without getting too far into it, since I'm not really in the mood. The Israelis and Palestinians both have a right to the land. The Israelis, deep down, know this. As do the Palestinians. This is why the whole thing is controversial. Plagues on mankind? Yeah, in your eyes. But, these two groups of people are not the only people fighting wars. Our own country has been in 7 wars in the past hundred years. Are we plagues on mankind? If we withdrew support, then Israel would be in a craphole. I don't agree with the Israeli government, probably never have. However, I will never judge the Israeli people based on their government, just like I will never judge the Palestinian people based on those who commit suicide bombs in civilian areas. Life isn't so black and white, unfortunately. That would be too easy.

What right do the Jews have to it? A biblical claim that their distant ancestors, over a thousand years ago, used to inhabit the land? THAT is a legitimate claim for real estate?

If there is another one, other than "the Jews need someplace to go," please tell me.

[RamyGras]

Well what is the solution? Neither side will ever defer to the other so what do you think would solve the problem?

Of course, I don't know of a solution. I'm a young guy who can be, at times, naive. The people running the countries are the same people that are bitter over the events that occurred in 1948 and 1967. These are the people that responsible for the first Intifadah and the violence thereafter. The Palestinians are going to have to realize that the way they are going about their politics is a dead end road. They need to put bitterness aside for the good of their children, and their children's children. On the other side, the Israelis need to realize to look in the mirror and admit that not everything is "flowery meadows and rainbow skies" on their end. Everybody is so quick to judge the Palestinians and their flaws. Yet, if you ask some Israelis, they will look at you dead in the eye and tell you that they are, in no way, in the wrong. Same goes with some Palestinians.

The only way this will all happen is when the people that lived through the bitterness of the past, pass away. The world will change. It always has. It always will. You asked me. That's my answer. But what do I know? Have a great weekend.

[RamyGras]

What right do the Jews have to it? A biblical claim that their distant ancestors, over a thousand years ago, used to inhabit the land? THAT is a legitimate claim for real estate?

If there is another one, other than "the Jews need someplace to go," please tell me.

I'm sorry, I almost forgot to respond to this one before I take off for a glorious root canal operating weekend. The reason I believe that the Israelis have a right to the land is b/c of their history in the region. But, to be honest, this is the least of my reasons. The big reason is b/c Palestine became British land after the King of Jordan offered it as compensation for British security. The Jordanians were supposed to be the Palestinians' brothers. But, what has become common theme with the Arab states, they sold them out. The British then handed this land to the Israelis. Since then, the Israelis have been able to make allies with the powerhouse nations, and have built a beautiful country. Do I agree with what happened? Absolutely not. Regardless, for the past 59 years, the Israelis have set up shop. They fought wars to defend their community, and new generations of Israelis have been born there. Let's not forget that there were Jews there even before 1948. In fact, they never left. They lived side by side with the Palestinians for over 1,000 years.

What do you want me to say? That all Israelis should be executed and have ALL the land given back to the Palestinians? I won't do that. However, I'm not defending the Israelis either. If they wanted to make things right, they would. They have the upper hand right now, and they have taken FULL advantage. They're much smarter than the Palestinians. They strike against the Palestinians and explain to the world that they were simply taking out a "terrorist", a word so vague these days. How do the Palestinians react? By acting in such a way that justify the Israelis' actions in the eyes of the international world.

Of course, this is all my opinion. I have been to the region five different times. I have spoken with both sides on the issues. I mean no disrespect to any Palestinian sympathizer or any Israeli sympathizer. I stress this because I realize how sensitive this issue is to both parties. Anyway, have a great weekend fellas!

[Vinlander]

I'm sorry, I almost forgot to respond to this one before I take off for a glorious root canal operating weekend. The reason I believe that the Israelis have a right to the land is b/c of their history in the region. But, to be honest, this is the least of my reasons. The big reason is b/c Palestine became British land after the King of Jordan offered it as compensation for British security. The Jordanians were supposed to be the Palestinians' brothers. But, what has become common theme with the Arab states, they sold them out. The British then handed this land to the Israelis. Since then, the Israelis have been able to make allies with the powerhouse nations, and have built a beautiful country. Do I agree with what happened? Absolutely not. Regardless, for the past 59 years, the Israelis have set up shop. They fought wars to defend their community, and new generations of Israelis have been born there. Let's not forget that there were Jews there even before 1948. In fact, they never left. They lived side by side with the Palestinians for over 1,000 years.

What do you want me to say? That all Israelis should be executed and have ALL the land given back to the Palestinians? I won't do that. However, I'm not defending the Israelis either. If they wanted to make things right, they would. They have the upper hand right now, and they have taken FULL advantage. They're much smarter than the Palestinians. They strike against the Palestinians and explain to the world that they were simply taking out a "terrorist", a word so vague these days. How do the Palestinians react? By acting in such a way that justify the Israelis' actions in the eyes of the international world.

Of course, this is all my opinion. I have been to the region five different times. I have spoken with both sides on the issues. I mean no disrespect to any Palestinian sympathizer or any Israeli sympathizer. I stress this because I realize how sensitive this issue is to both parties. Anyway, have a great weekend fellas!

First of all things, good luck on your root canal and I hope the procedure goes well.

Secondly, you're completely incorrect about the region. It was mandated to the British Government after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire. The "King of Jordan" had no power whatsoever as the seat of the region's government was in Turkey until 1918 after its capitulation. The territory's government and boundaries were finalized in 1924, which indeed included many Jewish and non-Jewish communities. At the time there was a very bizarre push for Zionism by the British government, which did not materialize as a political movement until the establishment of the World Jewish Congress in 1933.

The alternative version of history, from the losing side of the war, was that international Zionist Jews had persuaded the United States into the war against Germany, tipping the conflict irretrievably in the favor of the Allies. The agreement included, amongst the U.S. military aid, Jewish insurrections in Ottoman territory, including espionage and sabotage, in exchange for political pressure in the League of Nations to mandate the territory as a Jewish state.

If this view seems ridiculous, please read the article I'm posting below. In the Jewish Daily it is admitted that there is economic pressure to force the U.S. into a conflict with Iran, Israel's chief enemy. This was the same theory presented by Germany in the 1930s as justification for anti-Semitism.

http://www.forward.com/articles/grou...ash-over-iran/

[sofus99]

They're all equally crazy down there, they will never find a peaceful solution simply because they hate each other too much to want peace.

[singern]

They're all equally crazy down there, they will never find a peaceful solution simply because they hate each other too much to want peace.

You couldn’t be more wrong, I can tell you that I, and everybody I know want peace more than anything. With the exception of the right wing nut jobs and religious settlers in the occupied territories, Israel wants peace.

I recommend you do a search for Palestinian TV shows, music, and children’s education, then come back and tell me what you saw.

Like our newbie Winelander who has most likely never met an Israeli but chooses to post unbridled ignorance and a personal agenda based on misguided loyalty and a fomented hatred.

There are indeed two sides to this conflict, other than the one told by Hamas and Hezbola.

[celticd]

theres no doubt that the vast majority of palestine was arab when jewish people began buying land there to return to there biblical homeland around the time of the 1st world war,for me this is were it all began to go down hill the british were using palestine as the 1st line of defence for egypt of which it then controlled(occupied)the british set a date for withdrawal and packed its tent and said goodbye to the circus and weve had some terrible acts of violence from both sides since and its still previlant today
israel uses its overwhelming force and the arabs use fear,suicide bombs..what hatred and hurt do you have to endure before u openly give youre son youre blessing to commit such an act.bothsides have got to see you cant live youre future in the past.
we in ireland had to let go of some deep rooted hatred on the road to peace with britian and northren prodestants,the island of ireland north and south had a refferendem,avote to decide on all off our futures,we in the south dropped our claim to the north of ireland,therby excepting british rule in the 6counties until the majority of the people want a united ireland.i think the status quo stands @ 49% catholic to 51%prodestant in the 6counties of northren ireland 2day.as an irish republican ihope that irish unification is near but peace is the biggest prize,the irish tricolour or flag displays both tradations on its flag,the nationalist green divided by white the orange for the prodestant people,i believe the mood for peace exsists in palestine and israel 2day,as WAR is futile in watever part of the world it happens..PEACE

[KAEW44]

Israelis cyring "we are the victims" and palestinians crying "we are the victims" , where's the guiness book of records they need to record the biggest wussy drama-queen mass senario to ever exsist on earth!!

Isrealis = Build that damn wall and keep problems out, if anyone tries to cross over then open fire!! And to stop any more arguments about who's land this is, put up big graffiti on the wall saying "Finders Keepers"

Palestinians = Tell your government reps to stop stealing all that money the rich gulf states are sending them and to actually use it to organize the damn place so u can become a state, and then be recognized! And so that poverty doesnt lead alot of the youth into becoming suicidal. If everyone has a good job and a hobby then nobody will be throwing their life away for anything!

Yasser Arafat spent his entire life travelling from one arab country to another and collected BILLIONS of pity money, didnt spend a dime on the country and died one of the worlds richest people, managed to keep the palestinians blind from his heist by making them rowdy with revolution speeches and talking absolute rubbish!

The new government after arafat got hundreds of millions in support money from arab countries AND from the US and all they achieved was they split up their own country and started armed conflicts between their own people!! Good job spending that money dudes!

Instead of tanks and military arms someone needs to just invent a Bitch-slap-o-matic which drives all the way across israel and palestine and bitch slaps everyone until they finally wake up and get some sense in them.


Plus the bitch slapping will bring much needed humor to the rest of the world.

[singern]

Instead of tanks and military arms someone needs to just invent a Bitch-slap-o-matic which drives all the way across israel and palestine and bitch slaps everyone until they finally wake up and get some sense in them.


Plus the bitch slapping will bring much needed humor to the rest of the world.

There is a conflict of some kind on every corner of the planet, So would you suggest a "bitch slapping" for everyone in the USA over Gun control. How about bitch slapping the Russians over Chechnia. Or China over Tibet. Bitch slap India and Pakistan for the never ending conflict, and Britain over Northern Ireland. The list would go on for several pages.

I sleep with a clean conscience knowing my government could easily just clean the Palestinians out, send them packing, end the terrorism once and for all, but instead we try over and over to reach a dialog with a Palestinian government lead by Hamas terrorists whos only goal is the death of every single Jew in the land of Israel.

Yes there are problems on both sides, we have the far right, religious idiots who support keeping the occupied territories, and the Palestinians have the well known culturally driven lust for Jewish blood, but we never give up. Never stop hoping for a complete separation and lasting peace.

[RamyGras]

There is a conflict of some kind on every corner of the planet, So would you suggest a "bitch slapping" for everyone in the USA over Gun control. How about bitch slapping the Russians over Chechnia. Or China over Tibet. Bitch slap India and Pakistan for the never ending conflict, and Britain over Northern Ireland. The list would go on for several pages.

I sleep with a clean conscience knowing my government could easily just clean the Palestinians out, send them packing, end the terrorism once and for all, but instead we try over and over to reach a dialog with a Palestinian government lead by Hamas terrorists whos only goal is the death of every single Jew in the land of Israel.

Yes there are problems on both sides, we have the far right, religious idiots who support keeping the occupied territories, and the Palestinians have the well known culturally driven lust for Jewish blood, but we never give up. Never stop hoping for a complete separation and lasting peace.

Why do you think the Israelis don't just clean the Palestinians out? Please. You didn't respond to Celtic's post, which I was hoping you would. In that post, you will see EXACTLY why the Israelis wouldn't just clean the Palestinians out. And, I'm glad you sleep easy at night knowing that. My goodness! And, seriously, the whole "pity money" is just getting on my nerves! How do you think Israel was built? It was "pity money". You don't believe me? Do the research. And, singer, you couldn't be more one-sided about this whole thing. I truly wish you would look at things on both sides.

I must say, though, you come up with the most clever adjectives to describe Palestinians. Very colorful, just a little hateful.

[singern]

Why do you think the Israelis don't just clean the Palestinians out? Please. You didn't respond to Celtic's post, which I was hoping you would. In that post, you will see EXACTLY why the Israelis wouldn't just clean the Palestinians out. And, I'm glad you sleep easy at night knowing that. My goodness! And, seriously, the whole "pity money" is just getting on my nerves! How do you think Israel was built? It was "pity money". You don't believe me? Do the research. And, singer, you couldn't be more one-sided about this whole thing. I truly wish you would look at things on both sides.

I must say, though, you come up with the most clever adjectives to describe Palestinians. Very colorful, just a little hateful.

Thanks I do sleep like a baby.
Sorry if I have offended you with my ideology of coexistence. I have been and will always be a voice for an in***endent Palestinian state, separate and in***endent from Israel. I have always been a voice against the right wing religious freaks in my country, who insist on keeping the occupied territories....

Now, If I use colorful or imaginative descriptions for my Palestinian neighbors its because I am here and I see with my own eyes every day the violent brutality they are capable of, what they teach there children, how mothers celebrate the killing of Jews with candies and parties, ... .... You may not grasp the harsh reality, but thats what Im here for.

[Logan13]

Israelis cyring "we are the victims" and palestinians crying "we are the victims" , where's the guiness book of records they need to record the biggest wussy drama-queen mass senario to ever exsist on earth!!

Isrealis = Build that damn wall and keep problems out, if anyone tries to cross over then open fire!! And to stop any more arguments about who's land this is, put up big graffiti on the wall saying "Finders Keepers"

Palestinians = Tell your government reps to stop stealing all that money the rich gulf states are sending them and to actually use it to organize the damn place so u can become a state, and then be recognized! And so that poverty doesnt lead alot of the youth into becoming suicidal. If everyone has a good job and a hobby then nobody will be throwing their life away for anything!

Yasser Arafat spent his entire life travelling from one arab country to another and collected BILLIONS of pity money, didnt spend a dime on the country and died one of the worlds richest people, managed to keep the palestinians blind from his heist by making them rowdy with revolution speeches and talking absolute rubbish!

The new government after arafat got hundreds of millions in support money from arab countries AND from the US and all they achieved was they split up their own country and started armed conflicts between their own people!! Good job spending that money dudes!

Instead of tanks and military arms someone needs to just invent a Bitch-slap-o-matic which drives all the way across israel and palestine and bitch slaps everyone until they finally wake up and get some sense in them.


Plus the bitch slapping will bring much needed humor to the rest of the world.

Bitch-slap-o-matic

[RamyGras]

Thanks I do sleep like a baby.
Sorry if I have offended you with my ideology of coexistence. I have been and will always be a voice for an in***endent Palestinian state, separate and in***endent from Israel. I have always been a voice against the right wing religious freaks in my country, who insist on keeping the occupied territories....

Now, If I use colorful or imaginative descriptions for my Palestinian neighbors its because I am here and I see with my own eyes every day the violent brutality they are capable of, what they teach there children, how mothers celebrate the killing of Jews with candies and parties, ... .... You may not grasp the harsh reality, but thats what Im here for.

I don't understand. Are you Israeli or American? Tel Aviv or Chicago? Regardless, I have been there. I've spent a total of a year there and have seen, myself, what you see. And, in all the posts I've ever seen of yours, I've never once heard you voice your viewpoint on Palestine having its own state. I'm not saying you haven't said that, I just haven't seen it. When I do read your posts, your speaking of how savage and bloodthirsty they are.

However, I may have read you all wrong. And since you say you disagree with the far-right wing crazies on the occupied territories and you do realize that a state for the Palestinians is almost necessary, I must apologize for misjudging you. I, myself, agree with you on co-existance. I also agree that the Palestinians need to learn to control their people and teach their children that, while there needs to be change, it must be done in a non-violent way.

Anyway, I don't mean to offend you. Take care.

[singern]

I may have read you all wrong. And since you say you disagree with the far-right wing crazies on the occupied territories and you do realize that a state for the Palestinians is almost necessary, I must apologize for misjudging you. I, myself, agree with you on co-existance. I also agree that the Palestinians need to learn to control their people and teach their children that, while there needs to be change, it must be done in a non-violent way.

Anyway, I don't mean to offend you. Take care.

No worries. If you do a search of my past posts you will find many such examples of my statements regarding a Palestinian state, and The Israeli right wing. You will also find many examples of my condemning Palestinian violencein, and there cultural perversions with the harshest terms.

To answer your question I am Israeli born, lived on and off between the US and Israel all my life, proudly served in the US Military. Now me and my family have returned to Israel. Although I still travel to Chicago every two weeks on business.