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    More bombings in Iraq... is the surge working?

    Although me and my family are against the War in Iraq. We support the troops 100%. My father served in the first Persian Gulf War (among other wars) and my sister is currently in Iraq. But when do we say enough is enough? IMO, this cannot be solved by military actions. It purely a political solution that needs to be found. Here is the article that brings my concern. Polls indicate that 66% of people are against the war. 57% want an immediate withdrawl. What should we do? Should we stay just to save face or should we withdraw like the public wants? I'm sooooooo confused!! LOL!!!

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070418/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq

    By SINAN SALAHEDDIN, Associated Press Writer
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    BAGHDAD - Four large bombs exploded in mostly Shiite areas of Baghdad on Wednesday, killing at least 178 people and wounding scores — the deadliest day in the city since the start of the U.S.-Iraqi campaign to pacify the capital two months ago.

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    U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates called the bombings "horrifying" and accused al-Qaida of being behind them.

    In the deadliest of the attacks, a parked car bomb detonated in a crowd of workers at the Sadriyah market in central Baghdad, killing at least 122 people and wounding 148, said Raad Muhsin, an official at Al-Kindi Hospital where the victims were taken.

    A police official confirmed the toll, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information.

    Among the dead were several construction workers who had been rebuilding the mostly Shiite marketplace after a bombing destroyed many shops and killed 137 people there in February, the police official said.

    The laborers typically finish work around 4 p.m. each day. One of those wounded, 28-year-old Salih Mustafa, said he was waiting for a minibus to head home when the blast went off at 4:05 p.m.

    "I rushed with others to give a hand and help the victims," he said. "I saw three bodies in a wooden cart, and civilian cars were helping to transfer the victims. It was really a horrible scene."

    The market is situated on a side street lined with shops and vendors selling produce, meat and other staples. It is also about 500 yards from a Sunni shrine.

    About an hour earlier, a suicide car bomber crashed into an Iraqi police checkpoint at an entrance to Sadr City, the capital's biggest Shiite Muslim neighborhood and a stronghold for the militia led by radical anti-U.S. cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

    The explosion killed at least 41 people, including five Iraqi security officers, and wounded 76, police and hospital officials said.

    Black smoke billowed from a jumble of at least eight incinerated vehicles that were in a jam of cars stopped at the checkpoint. Bystanders scrambled over twisted metal to drag victims from the smoldering wreckage as Iraqi guards staggered around stunned.

    Earlier, a parked car exploded near a private hospital in the central neighborhood of Karradah, killing 11 people and wounding 13, police said. The blast damaged the Abdul-Majid hospital and other nearby buildings.

    The fourth explosion was from a bomb left on a minibus in the central Rusafi area, area, killing four people and wounding six others, police said.

    U.S. officials had cited a slight decrease in sectarian killings in Baghdad since the U.S.-Iraqi crackdown was launched Feb. 14. But the past week has seen several spectacular attacks on the capital, including a suicide bombing inside parliament and a powerful blast that collapsed a landmark bridge across the Tigris River.

    In Israel, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the military had anticipated that al-Qaida terrorists and other insurgents "would attempt to increase the violence in order to make the plan a failure or to make the people of Iraq believe the plan is a failure."

    "Obviously the level of fatalities today is a horrifying thing. But I think it illustrates another point: These terrorists are killing innocent men, women and children who are Iraqis. They're killing their countrymen," he said at a news conference in Tel Aviv with his Israeli counterpart, Amir Peretz.

    Meanwhile, to the west of the city, U.S. troops killed five suspected insurgents and captured 30 others in a raid in Anbar province, a day after police uncovered 17 decomposing corpses beneath two school yards in the provincial capital.

    The raid took place early Wednesday near Karmah, a town northeast of Fallujah in Anbar, which has been a stronghold for Sunni insurgents.

    American forces raided a group of buildings suspected of being used by militants and found explosives inside one of them, the military said in a statement. A helicopter was called in and dropped precision-guided bombs on the buildings, it said.

    The soldiers came under fire and shot back, killing five Iraqis and wounding four others, the statement said. The wounded were taken to a military hospital and remained in U.S. custody. Twenty-six other people were detained as well, the military said.

    The bodies found a day earlier at school yards in Ramadi, Anbar's provincial capital, were discovered after students and teachers returned to the schools a week ago and noticed an increasingly putrid odor and stray dogs digging in the area, police Maj. Laith al-Dulaimi said.

    Ramadi had been a stronghold of Sunni insurgents and al-Qaida fighters until recently, when U.S. forces in the region and the Iraqi government successfully negotiated with many local tribal leaders to split them off from the more militant insurgent groups.

    The U.S. military also reported that a suspected insurgent was killed and eight captured in two raids north of Baghdad on Wednesday. Some of the suspects were believed linked to al-Qaida in Iraq and to a militant cell that has used chlorine in car bombings, the statement said.

    Separately, U.S. officials announced that last week they found 3,000 gallons of nitric acid hidden in a warehouse in downtown Baghdad. U.S. forces discovered the acid, a key fertilizer component that can also be used in explosives, during a routine search Thursday, the military said.

    Iraqi troops also took charge of security Wednesday in the southern province of Maysan, a region that borders Iran and the fourth province to come under full Iraqi security control since the 2003 U.S. invasion.

    A ceremony was held in Maysan's provincial capital of Amarah, 200 miles southeast of Baghdad, and was attended by senior Iraqi and coalition officials including Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie and the British commander in southern Iraq, Maj. Gen. Jonathan Shaw.

    Al-Rubaie said that in order for a timetable to be set for the withdrawal of foreign troops, Iraqi forces and local authorities have to be ready to take over. He was apparently referring to calls by some Sunni Arab groups and al-Sadr's Shiite followers to set a timetable for a pullout.

    "We should work to create these circumstances in all provinces, in order to revert security to Iraqis and end the foreign presence," said al-Rubaie, who represented Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, the commander in chief of Iraq's armed forces.

    Al-Maliki was supposed to attend the ceremony but his trip was canceled without explanation.

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    Everyone is behind it until the going gets tough..wasnt it Kennedy that said success has 1000 fathers and failure is an orphan? The idiot dems were crying for more troops, more troops..so Bush sends more and all of a sudden its the worst thing. I wish they had some convictions that they would stick with.

    That being said, I think more time is needed and the dems need to stop giving our enemies hope with these stupid artificial timetables and bawking at troop funding. When we are war we should be a united front. You dont support the troops if you believe in what the Democrats are currently doing.

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    [QUOTE=roidattack]Everyone is behind it until the going gets tough..wasnt it Kennedy that said success has 1000 fathers and failure is an orphan? The idiot dems were crying for more troops, more troops..so Bush sends more and all of a sudden its the worst thing. I wish they had some convictions that they would stick with.

    That being said, I think more time is needed and the dems need to stop giving our enemies hope with these stupid artificial timetables and bawking at troop funding. When we are war we should be a united front. You dont support the troops if you believe in what the Democrats are currently doing.[/QUOTE]


    I don't think that's necessarily true. Some would argue that getting our troops out sooner rather than later saves more American lives. In other words the longer we stay the longer the troops are in harms way. I think your statement is indicative of the Republican blanket accessment of people against their policies. Calling into question someone's patriotism and support of the troops is a very serious thing and cannot be summed up by saying that you are against the troops if you don't support an already failed stategy. IMO, Republicans need to be honest and say this, "we won't pull out of Iraq because it hurts our reputation worldwide and makes us look like pussies". They need to stop hiding behind accusations of questionable patrioticism and the war on terror.

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    #1The president is the commander. Were staying in Iraq, therefore, what the Democrats are doing is hurting our cause.

    #2 If we pull out, Iran will be running Iraq in no time. No one wants that. Its time to look at the big picture and stop petty arguments.


    [quote=BgMc31]
    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Everyone is behind it until the going gets tough..wasnt it Kennedy that said success has 1000 fathers and failure is an orphan? The idiot dems were crying for more troops, more troops..so Bush sends more and all of a sudden its the worst thing. I wish they had some convictions that they would stick with.

    That being said, I think more time is needed and the dems need to stop giving our enemies hope with these stupid artificial timetables and bawking at troop funding. When we are war we should be a united front. You dont support the troops if you believe in what the Democrats are currently doing.[/QUOTE]


    I don't think that's necessarily true. Some would argue that getting our troops out sooner rather than later saves more American lives. In other words the longer we stay the longer the troops are in harms way. I think your statement is indicative of the Republican blanket accessment of people against their policies. Calling into question someone's patriotism and support of the troops is a very serious thing and cannot be summed up by saying that you are against the troops if you don't support an already failed stategy. IMO, Republicans need to be honest and say this, "we won't pull out of Iraq because it hurts our reputation worldwide and makes us look like pussies". They need to stop hiding behind accusations of questionable patrioticism and the war on terror.

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    [QUOTE=roidattack]#1The president is the commander. Were staying in Iraq, therefore, what the Democrats are doing is hurting our cause.
    #2 If we pull out, Iran will be running Iraq in no time. No one wants that. Its time to look at the big picture and stop petty arguments.


    You don't honestly believe that do you? Just because he's the commander doesn't me he cannot be questioned. Blindly following anyone is not a democracy, that's a dictatorship.

    As for point #2. Is that just another propaganda reason for being in Iraq since the initial reasoning has proven false?

    I don't dispute your #2 argument, but that is just based on my personal opinion, but where is the proof that Iran would invade Iraq if we pulled out. And why is Iraq so important, why should we honestly care what happens in Iraq. I won't use the oil reasoning, but why else would we care, especially since 78% of Iraqi's want us gone as well.

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    I didnt say anything about not questioning him. The reality is that we are in Iraq. We are not leaving. What the Democrats are doing is giving the enemy hope and its costing troop lives. Im not sure how many different ways to say it.

    Iraq is too valuable for Iran not to move in. Everyone knows it would be under their control in a matter of months.

    [quote=BgMc31]
    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    #1The president is the commander. Were staying in Iraq, therefore, what the Democrats are doing is hurting our cause.
    #2 If we pull out, Iran will be running Iraq in no time. No one wants that. Its time to look at the big picture and stop petty arguments.




    You don't honestly believe that do you? Just because he's the commander doesn't me he cannot be questioned. Blindly following anyone is not a democracy, that's a dictatorship.

    As for point #2. Is that just another propaganda reason for being in Iraq since the initial reasoning has proven false?

    I don't dispute your #2 argument, but that is just based on my personal opinion, but where is the proof that Iran would invade Iraq if we pulled out. And why is Iraq so important, why should we honestly care what happens in Iraq. I won't use the oil reasoning, but why else would we care, especially since 78% of Iraqi's want us gone as well.

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