Iranian crackdown on women

**singern** · 04-25-2007, 09:33 AM

Iranian Government to Women: Cover Up
Monday, April 23, 2007

TEHRAN, Iran — With the arrival of spring, Iranian police have launched a crackdown against women accused of not covering up enough, arresting nearly 300 women, some for wearing too tight an overcoat or letting too much hair peek out from under their veil, authorities said Monday.

The campaign in the streets of major cities is the toughest such crackdown in nearly two decades, raising fears that hard-liner President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad intends to re-impose the tough Islamic Revolution-era constraints on women's dress that had loosened in recent years.

The move highlighted the new boldness among hard-liners in Ahmadinejad's government, which has used mounting Western pressure on Tehran over its nuclear program and Iraq as a pretext to put down internal dissent.

But it could bring a backlash at a time when many Iranians resent Ahmadinejad for failing to boost the faltering economy or halt spiraling prices and blame him for isolating Iran with his fiery rhetoric. The two-day-old crackdown was already angering moderates.

"What they do is really insulting. You simply can't tell people what to wear. They don't understand that use of force only brings hatred toward them, not love," said Elham Mohammadi, a 23-year-old student.

IMO: AHmenajad must have steel toe boots, because he shoots himself in the foot every single day. Sooner or later there will be a second revolution, and then "pop goes the short, ugly, bearded weasel"

**Lexed** · 04-25-2007, 09:47 AM

im not suprised

**1819** · 04-25-2007, 10:37 AM

good thing the iranian police have never been to south beach.

**spywizard** · 04-25-2007, 10:40 AM

So??? it's their culture.. why do must we inpose our values through force on other cultures..

**singern** · 04-25-2007, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by spywizard

So??? it's their culture.. why do must we inpose our values through force on other cultures..

I have all the respect in the world for other laws, and cultures as long as they respect the best interest and wishes of the population they serve. The article clearly states the displeasure and alienation of the public to the government.

This is a lunatic minority imposing a religiously imposed rule on the population. No different from the Taliban.

From BBC.COM
The newspapers are full of pictures of women being arrested for their un-Islamic clothing, but foreign journalists have been prevented from filming it.

The crackdown is more serious than in past years
The head of the Iranian judiciary, Ayatollah Shahrudi, has warned that a severe crackdown on un-Islamic dress could have the reverse effect.

Meanwhile, an MP has asked why the police should spend so much time arresting young people and filing court cases against them instead of fighting drug addiction and poverty.

**Lexed** · 04-25-2007, 11:28 AM

agree with singern. These ppl are still living in the middle ages.

**spywizard** · 04-25-2007, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by singern

I have all the respect in the world for other laws, and cultures as long as they respect the best interest and wishes of the population they serve. The article clearly states the displeasure and alienation of the public to the government.

This is a lunatic minority imposing a religiously imposed rule on the population. No different from the Taliban.

From BBC.COM
The newspapers are full of pictures of women being arrested for their un-Islamic clothing, but foreign journalists have been prevented from filming it.

The crackdown is more serious than in past years
The head of the Iranian judiciary, Ayatollah Shahrudi, has warned that a severe crackdown on un-Islamic dress could have the reverse effect.

Meanwhile, an MP has asked why the police should spend so much time arresting young people and filing court cases against them instead of fighting drug addiction and poverty.

I agree with you, i simply post this way in these types of threads because if we are to impose moral and cultural judgement, at least lets be honest with ourselves..

we believe our way of life is the best, and thus we are superior in that way, if you support the imposition of our value system on others..

Simple observation is all..

**singern** · 04-25-2007, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

I, if you support the imposition of our value system on others..

..

I dont,
However I do support individual freedoms which allow simple choices of life, this is a given for every man, woman and child on the planet...

**BgMc31** · 04-25-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

I agree with you, i simply post this way in these types of threads because if we are to impose moral and cultural judgement, at least lets be honest with ourselves..

we believe our way of life is the best, and thus we are superior in that way, if you support the imposition of our value system on others..

Simple observation is all..

I agree 100%.

**RamyGras** · 04-25-2007, 05:46 PM

Do you mind sending me a link of this article. I'd like to send it to somebody.

**singern** · 04-25-2007, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by RamyGras

Do you mind sending me a link of this article. I'd like to send it to somebody.

Here you go.
BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6584789.stm

Shouldnt be hard to find, I also saw it on cnn fox and a few others

**Logan13** · 04-25-2007, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

I agree with you, i simply post this way in these types of threads because if we are to impose moral and cultural judgement, at least lets be honest with ourselves..

we believe our way of life is the best, and thus we are superior in that way, if you support the imposition of our value system on others..

Simple observation is all..

Human decency does not have cultural boundaries. If a certain culture practiced slavery today, would this be tolerated? If a certain culture still practised human sacrifice, would this be OK? Morality is not relative.

**mcpeepants** · 05-02-2007, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

Human decency does not have cultural boundaries. If a certain culture practiced slavery today, would this be tolerated? If a certain culture still practised human sacrifice, would this be OK? Morality is not relative.

morality is definitely relative. lying for example is usually thought of as immoral. however, what if your lying to protect someone. What if your in Germany during WW2 and your hiding a Jewish family in your home and the Gestapo comes by. I think most people would agree that telling the Gestapo your hiding them would be immoral because you basically handed them a death sentence.

**singern** · 05-02-2007, 08:31 AM

Morality seems to be open to personal definition.

In some cultures it is against the law to drink alcohol, yet is is completely acceptable to smoke hash all day and grow Poppy for heroin.

The recent Richard geer incident in India, all he did was kiss the actress several times on the cheek (the actress had no complaint or problem with the kiss) , and Indian government issued an arrest warrant after him. But yet its completely acceptable to Kill your sister or daughter for personal reasons.

Morality is based on culturally accepted behavior, while personal freedom is based on the Law.

**spywizard** · 05-02-2007, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

Human decency does not have cultural boundaries. If a certain culture practiced slavery today, would this be tolerated? If a certain culture still practised human sacrifice, would this be OK? Morality is not relative.

ahh.. finally a thinker amongst the people..

Decency is a valuation of someone else's standards being applied to others.. still judgment.

Morality is relative. Am i my brothers keeper.. the answer to that is yes, however if one sets themselves up to be the keeper of all that is good (sounding familiar) then that person or country is responsible for protecting those that are unable to protect themselves, and provide for that person and or country..

but here we are, about to pull out again, leaving our brother to die in the desert, if not our brother, than a lesser, incapable of protecting themselves.. human being.. and once again, we have and are making a judgment of the value of another human being...

**spywizard** · 05-02-2007, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by singern

Morality seems to be open to personal definition.

In some cultures it is against the law to drink alcohol, yet is is completely acceptable to smoke hash all day and grow Poppy for heroin.

The recent Richard geer incident in India, all he did was kiss the actress several times on the cheek (the actress had no complaint or problem with the kiss) , and Indian government issued an arrest warrant after him. But yet its completely acceptable to Kill your sister or daughter for personal reasons.

Morality is based on culturally accepted behavior, while personal freedom is based on the Law.

Who sets the LAW, and what morality is used to judge what is good or bad?? the masses??

**Superhuman** · 05-02-2007, 08:44 AM

This is just like the Soviets during the Cold War, they wouldn't let people where Western Clothee for political reasons but of course they tried not to make it obvious and gave some bullsh*t reason why. The Iranian government is afraid that their people will realize how liberated we are and want to EVOLVE from their archaic way of thinking - this is why they are not allowed to wear any other syle of clothing, religion and culture is a small part of the reason.

In some tribal cultures it is socially accpetable and encouraged for pubescant boys to perform oral sex on tribe leaders and eat their semen as a sign of both submission and growth. Just because it's a part of a people's culture does not mean it's right. In our culture right now people are obsessed with violence and sex, is that right?

Nobody can tell me that it's okay for Arab nations to cut off womens' clitori at young ages to take pleasure out of sex... that is pure evil