Afghanistan, Pakistan to fight terrorism

[singern]

Apr. 30, 2007 13:40
Afghanistan, Pakistan agree to fight terrorism
By ASSOCIATED PRESS



Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistan's President Gen. Pervez Musharraf announced Monday that they have agreed to fight terrorism and deny sanctuary, training and financing to terrorists in each other's country.

Karzai and Musharraf, who often blame each other for not doing enough to stop a resurgent Taliban, issued a joint statement following a meeting at Turkey's presidential palace.

"The two presidents agreed to deny sanctuary, training and financing to terrorists and to elements involved in subversive and anti-state activities in each other's country and to initiate immediate action on specific intelligence exchanges in this regard," the leaders said.

Karzai and Musharraf also reiterated their commitment to continue supporting moderation, fighting all forms of "extremism and terrorism through coordinated action."


IMO:
This is way overdue, but if it is a real commitment and not just a photo op, then I salute the agreement.

[Prada]

Well, they do seem to talk quite a lot.....not do enough. At least it seems that their squabble is over and it might lead to something positive I still reiterate that if any or in this case both leaders do not have complete control over their respective entitites then militants will continue to flourish, especially in the case of Afghanistan. So unfortuantly it sounds good but it will lead to nothing. IMO

[BgMc31]

I thought the decided on this in 01? Both countries are full of shit!!! Neither will fight terrorism to the best of their ability because the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans.

[Logan13]

I thought the decided on this in 01? Both countries are full of shit!!! Neither will fight terrorism to the best of their ability because the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans.

Correct. It is just more empty rhetoric.

[Lexed]

I thought the decided on this in 01? Both countries are full of shit!!! Neither will fight terrorism to the best of their ability because the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans.

couldnt agree more

[eliteforce]

Pakistani security forces/intelligence officers will never really help the foreign occupation of Afghanistan, by 'fighting terrorism' .

[Logan13]

Pakistani security forces/intelligence officers will never really help the foreign occupation of Afghanistan, by 'fighting terrorism' .

By foreign occupation you mean Al Quaida, correct........?

[Prada]

I thought the decided on this in 01? Both countries are full of shit!!! Neither will fight terrorism to the best of their ability because the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans.

I agree with what you are saying but wouldnt say that the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans

[RamyGras]

I thought the decided on this in 01? Both countries are full of shit!!! Neither will fight terrorism to the best of their ability because the majority of both countries population support radical islamic ideas and hate Americans.

Bogus comment. You have no information to back up that ridiculous claim. If by majority, you mean majority of what you see on your television set, then maybe.

[Logan13]

Bogus comment. You have no information to back up that ridiculous claim. If by majority, you mean majority of what you see on your television set, then maybe.

With all due respect, when was the last time that there was a major demonstration against terrorism in Pakistan, Iran, or Syria....?

[RamyGras]

With all due respect, when was the last time that there was a major demonstration against terrorism in Pakistan, Iran, or Syria....?

I called bogus on the comment that the majority of Pakistanis and Afghans hate America and support terrorism. I don't know where Iran or Syria got in the picture. But, by not having demonstrations, that doesn't mean they support terrorism. I've never demonstrated against terrorism and I don't know anybody in my life that has demonstrated against terrorism. But, I don't support it, and I don't know anybody in my life that does either.

[Logan13]

I called bogus on the comment that the majority of Pakistanis and Afghans hate America and support terrorism. I don't know where Iran or Syria got in the picture. But, by not having demonstrations, that doesn't mean they support terrorism. I've never demonstrated against terrorism and I don't know anybody in my life that has demonstrated against terrorism. But, I don't support it, and I don't know anybody in my life that does either.

My point is that we see plenty of people in the middle east filling the streets and rejoicing about terrorist acts.

[RamyGras]

My point is that we see plenty of people in the middle east filling the streets and rejoicing about terrorist acts.

Afghanistan and Pakistan are considered the middle east? I thought they were considered Asian? My comment was directed toward those two nations. And, I don't think it's a majority that support terrorism, not even close.

I recall after 9/11, a video of Palestinians dancing on the streets. It was all over the news. Then, months later, it was brought out that the video was not from September 2001, but from much earlier. Since then, I haven't seen rejoicing over terrorist acts. Then again, the only terrorist acts that have been happening, as of late, are Arabs against Arabs. It's possibly happening, I just haven't seen it. And I have to imagine that if it is happening, it's a minority of the uneducated civilians.

[eliteforce]

There were Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11, you would too if you lived under that knd of racist aphartied oppresion and the major power that enthusiastically supports your oppresors got hit by someone that was sympathetic to your plight.

The people in Iraq or Afghanistan that fight american imperialist oppresion are freedom fighters, not terrorists, blowing up a tank with a roadside bomb is legitamate guerilla warfare, not terrorism.

[singern]

The people in Iraq or Afghanistan that fight american imperialist oppresion are freedom fighters, not terrorists, blowing up a tank with a roadside bomb is legitamate guerilla warfare, not terrorism.

The vast majority of militants who plant Roadside bombs and snipers are foreign insurgents, and thus cannot be defined as freedom fighters since it is not there home for which they are committing these crimes.

However those who blow up marketplaces, restaurants, police stations, and hospitals are in fact local Iraqis, Intentionally targeting not solders, but Iraqi civilians. Are they freedom fighters also?

[Logan13]

There were Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11, you would too if you lived under that knd of racist aphartied oppresion and the major power that enthusiastically supports your oppresors got hit by someone that was sympathetic to your plight.

The people in Iraq or Afghanistan that fight american imperialist oppresion are freedom fighters, not terrorists, blowing up a tank with a roadside bomb is legitamate guerilla warfare, not terrorism.

I'll bet that you are in favor of them blowing up shops full of Iraqi citizens as well..........

[Logan13]

There were Palestinians dancing in the streets on 9/11, you would too if you lived under that knd of racist aphartied oppresion and the major power that enthusiastically supports your oppresors got hit by someone that was sympathetic to your plight.

The people in Iraq or Afghanistan that fight american imperialist oppresion are freedom fighters, not terrorists, blowing up a tank with a roadside bomb is legitamate guerilla warfare, not terrorism.

Their out-dated religion and culture is to blame for their oppression.

[eliteforce]

This is not true, even the US military has said the insurgency is more than 90% Iraqi, particularly the ones that kill Americans, the ones that kill Iraqi civilians are often non-iraqi. The vast majority of detainees the Americans arrest on suspicion of insurgent activity are Iraqi suggesting the number is higher than 90%, probably more like 97..the vietkong used to kill civilians too, imperialist occupation is a dirty war, it pits the population against each other..i'm not for it but it always happens in this type of war.

The vast majority of militants who plant Roadside bombs and snipers are foreign insurgents, and thus cannot be defined as freedom fighters since it is not there home for which they are committing these crimes.

[singern]

This is not true, even the US military has said the insurgency is more than 90% Iraqi, particularly the ones that kill Americans, the ones that kill Iraqi civilians are often non-iraqi. The vast majority of detainees the Americans arrest on suspicion of insurgent activity are Iraqi suggesting the number is higher than 90%, probably more like 97...[/I]

Everything I have read regarding foreign insurgent violence vs Iraqi on Iraqi violence has clearly stated the opposite. But If you have sources claiming otherwise I would be glad to read them.

[Dude-Man]

I called bogus on the comment that the majority of Pakistanis and Afghans hate America and support terrorism.

I call bogus on the comment that the majority of Pakistanis and Afghans don't hate america. The majority of the world hates America. By "America" I mean the American Government and it's policies. It's why we'll we're such a big target for "terrorists".

But you are correct, the majority of pakistanis and afghans do not support "terrorist" acts. Not even the ones that the US is constantly performing all around the globe.

[RamyGras]

I call bogus on the comment that the majority of Pakistanis and Afghans don't hate america. The majority of the world hates America. By "America" I mean the American Government and it's policies. It's why we'll we're such a big target for "terrorists".

But you are correct, the majority of pakistanis and afghans do not support "terrorist" acts. Not even the ones that the US is constantly performing all around the globe.

When I say Pakistanis and Afghanistanis don't "hate America", I'm speaking of the country as a whole and the culture that we have. The administration has force fed us the philosophy that these people hate freedom. That couldn't be farther from the truth. The same people that hate our government would do ANYTHING to get a green card and begin a life in this country. They don't hate freedom, they hate the fact that the U.S. has hypocritically placed restrictions on some nations and not in others.

My theory on the fact that 9/11 took place because of the unrest between Palestine and Israel will never change. If the U.S. were as strict with Israel as it is with other Arab nations, or didn't blindly support Israel in all causes, the world as we know it now be completely different. This isn't a knock on Israel, this is what I perceive to be the mindset of these "terrorist" nations.

[Logan13]

If the U.S. were as strict with Israel as it is with other Arab nations, or didn't blindly support Israel in all causes, the world as we know it now be completely different. This isn't a knock on Israel, this is what I perceive to be the mindset of these "terrorist" nations.

Perhaps if the "Arab" countries embraced the 21st century and were not so against the Freedoms that we infidels enjoy, maybe we would treat them differently as well......But since the reality is that their ideologies are 180 degrees from ours, there is not much hope of this occuring.

[RamyGras]

Perhaps if the "Arab" countries embraced the 21st century and were not so against the Freedoms that we infidels enjoy, maybe we would treat them differently as well......But since the reality is that their ideologies are 180 degrees from ours, there is not much hope of this occuring.

Against freedom? I don't blame you for having that mindset, since it was spoon fed to you, and you enthusiastically gulped down.

Maybe we would treat them differently? Are you saying that we're not treating them right at this time? Is that possibly why some of those people are angry at us?

My comment that you highlighted had nothing to do with your retort. My theory stands. The Israel/Palestine dilemma was the direct cause for why we are where we are right now. If that would've been dealt with differently from day one, the world would be vastly different. If you want to highlight this portion of my paragraph, as you did last time, then comment on it, don't use the same "Republican rhetoric" that you accuse liberals of using all the time.

[eliteforce]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq " feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.

Everything I have read regarding foreign insurgent violence vs Iraqi on Iraqi violence has clearly stated the opposite. But If you have sources claiming otherwise I would be glad to read them.

[gigem]

kill em all

[Logan13]

Against freedom? I don't blame you for having that mindset, since it was spoon fed to you, and you enthusiastically gulped down.
Tell that to Muslim women...........

Maybe we would treat them differently? Are you saying that we're not treating them right at this time? Is that possibly why some of those people are angry at us?

My comment that you highlighted had nothing to do with your retort. My theory stands. The Israel/Palestine dilemma was the direct cause for why we are where we are right now. If that would've been dealt with differently from day one, the world would be vastly different. .

Than maybe you should just get over the whole Palestinian/Israeli thing and learn to live with the fact that Israel is going no where.

Maybe your right, all of the terrorist plots are merely a cry for help.
The highlight was accidental, sorry to cause you so much grief.....

[Prada]

When I say Pakistanis and Afghanistanis don't "hate America", I'm speaking of the country as a whole and the culture that we have. The administration has force fed us the philosophy that these people hate freedom. That couldn't be farther from the truth. The same people that hate our government would do ANYTHING to get a green card and begin a life in this country. They don't hate freedom, they hate the fact that the U.S. has hypocritically placed restrictions on some nations and not in others.

Exactly, albeit the vast majority of people are completly oblivious to this.
Many fail to comprehend the realities.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. --Truman's Law.

[singern]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html

The US and Iraqi governments have vastly overstated the number of foreign fighters in Iraq, and most of them don't come from Saudi Arabia, according to a new report from the Washington-based Center for Strategic International Studies (CSIS). According to a piece in The Guardian, this means the US and Iraq " feed the myth" that foreign fighters are the backbone of the insurgency. While the foreign fighters may stoke the insurgency flames, they make up only about 4 to 10 percent of the estimated 30,000 insurgents.

The link was an interesting read and although I do trust the source, it was written nearly two years ago, and when I search for the actual report it does not exist on the site.

As we know very well the last two years in Iraq have been the worst as far as terrorist attacks targeting civilians, and public places , and the numbers of fighters crossing from Syria and Iran have gone up exponentially so I would take those reported numbers with a grain of salt.

[eliteforce]

* detainees in iraq continue to be overwhelming iraqi, the suspected people that the US rounds up are Iraqi, so most insurgents are iraqi, how much can the number have increased, a few percentage points at most.
* the foreigners are mostly other arabs, so a north vietnamese is a foreigner in south vietnam, the whole 'foreigner' issue ..
*insurgents are embedded into the civilian population, a us soldier killed in Falluja wrote to his wife shortly before he died "The people here f****** hate us" you don't have an insurgency that rabid unless a large portion of the population want you out.