Gay groups decry surgeon general nominee

[kfrost06]

LEXINGTON, Ky. - President Bush's nominee for surgeon general, Kentucky cardiologist Dr. James Holsinger, has come under fire from gay rights groups for voting to expel a lesbian pastor from the United Methodist Church and writing in 1991 that gay sex is unnatural and unhealthy.

Also, Holsinger helped found a Methodist congregation that, according to gay rights activists, believes homosexuality is a matter of choice and can be "cured."

"He has a pretty clear bias against gays and lesbians," said Christina Gilgor, director of the Kentucky Fairness Alliance, a gay rights group. "This ideology flies in the face of current scientific medical studies. That makes me uneasy that he rejects science and promotes ideology."

Holsinger, 68, has declined all interview requests.

Blair Jones, a White House spokesman, said in a telephone interview Wednesday night that Holsinger had spent his career in public service and taking care of others.

"On numerous occasions, Dr. Holsinger has taken up the banner for underrepresented populations, and he will continue to be a strong advocate for these groups and all Americans," Jones said.

Holsinger served as Kentucky's health secretary and chancellor of the University of Kentucky's medical center. He taught at several medical schools and spent more than three decades in the Army Reserve, retiring in 1993 as a major general.

His supporters, including fellow doctors, faculty members and state officials, said he would never let his theological views affect his medical ones.

"Jim is able, as most of us are in medicine, to separate feelings that we have from our responsibility in taking care of patients," said Douglas Scutchfield, a professor of public health at the University of Kentucky.

In announcing Holsinger as his choice for America's top doctor May 24, Bush said the physician will focus on educating the public about childhood obesity.

The previous surgeon general was Dr. Richard Carmona, whose term was allowed to expire last summer. Carmona issued an unprecedented report condemning secondhand smoke.

Holsinger received his bachelor's degree from the University of Kentucky, master's degrees from the University of South Carolina and Asbury Theological Seminary and a doctorate and medical degree from Duke University.

Scutchfield said Holsinger has advocated expanded stem cell research, in opposition to many conservatives, and also has shown political courage in this tobacco-producing state by supporting higher cigarette taxes to curb teen smoking.

Gov. Ernie Fletcher commended Holsinger for working to fight obesity and other health problems in this Appalachian state, which ranks near the bottom in many categories. "He helped get the ball rolling and focusing on healthy lifestyles," Fletcher said.

As president of the Methodist Church's national Judicial Council, Holsinger voted last year to support a pastor who blocked a gay man from joining a congregation. In 2004, he voted to expel a lesbian from the clergy. The majority of the panel voted to keep the lesbian associate pastor in place, citing questions about whether she had openly declared her homosexuality, but Holsinger dissented.

Sixteen years ago, he wrote a paper for the church in which he likened the reproductive organs to male and female "pipe fittings" and argued that homosexuality is therefore biologically unnatural.

"When the complementarity of the sexes is breached, injuries and diseases may occur," Holsinger wrote, citing studies showing higher rates of sexually transmitted diseases among gay men and the risk of injury from anal sex.

Holsinger wrote the paper at a time when the church was one of numerous denominations considering a more open stance on allowing practicing homosexuals to join. It took that step in 1992, saying gays are of "sacred worth" who should be welcomed. "Self-avowed, practicing homosexuals" are still prohibited from serving in the clergy.

Gilgor, the gay rights activist, called the paper "one twisted piece of work." Holly Babin, spokeswoman for the U.S. ***artment of Health and Human Services, said Holsinger's writings reflected scientific data from the 1980s.

"It should be noted that in 1991, homosexuals were banned from the military and several years before that, homosexuality and Haitian nationality were considered risk factors for HIV/ AIDS," Babin said in a statement. "Over the last 20 years, a clearer understanding of these issues has been achieved. Any new compilation of scientific information on health issues facing homosexual populations would have a substantially different focus."

As for the congregation Holsinger helped establish, Hope Springs Community Church, the Rev. David Calhoun told the Lexington Herald-Leader last week that the Lexington church helps some gay members to "walk out of that lifestyle."

The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which is opposing the nomination along with the Human Rights Campaign and other local and national groups, calls such a practice "nothing short of torture" for gays.

Phyllis Nash, who worked under Holsinger for nine years as vice chancellor at the medical center, said the views he took in church appear at odds with his professional actions.

She recalled a women's health conference that Holsinger helped organize in 2002 that included a session on lesbian health. Despite complaints from some lawmakers, Holsinger insisted the session go forward, she said.

"His reaction in support could not have been any stronger," Nash said. "He said, as health care providers, we have to be prepared to meet the health needs of anyone who walks into the door."

[BgMc31]

Why would he nominate someone who he knows is going to be divisive? Why not nominate someone who is neutral on the idea? The whole idea of the sexual organs 'fitting' completely ignores that fact the hetero couples engage in both oral and anal sex. His argument that the anus has no natural lubrication system proves that gay sex isn't natural. Well the mouth has a natural lubrication system, does that mean it's natural for sex since it doesn't lead to procriation?

These people are simply trying to use science to justify their religious beliefs and Bush is forcing his beliefs onto the general population. People just need to let people be who they are!!!

[RA]

Why would he nominate someone who he knows is going to be divisive? Why not nominate someone who is neutral on the idea? The whole idea of the sexual organs 'fitting' completely ignores that fact the hetero couples engage in both oral and anal sex. His argument that the anus has no natural lubrication system proves that gay sex isn't natural. Well the mouth has a natural lubrication system, does that mean it's natural for sex since it doesn't lead to procriation?

These people are simply trying to use science to justify their religious beliefs and Bush is forcing his beliefs onto the general population. People just need to let people be who they are!!!

Everything Bush does is so called "divisive" by his opponents. When people elected him they assumed he was going to nominate like minded individuals to these positions.

Im not saying I agree with holsingers opinion though.

[Tock]

From what I understand, this Holsinger guy supports "Reparative Therapy," a method to change gay people to straight. Thing is, that the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association have both officially checked RT out, and have concluded that it's pure unadulterated BS, and that it is damaging to patients who have it forced on them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparative_therapy
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbo...olution97.html

Reparative Therapy is essentially a religious approach to changing a person's sexual orientation, and is not based in research. The USA needs officials that will approach the country's problems with solutions based on reliable data, not church doctrines and prayer.

[Coop77]

This forum should be renamed the Gay Thread Forum

[Coop77]

Also, why does it matter what the surgeon general's views on homosexuality is. He's not making policy.

[kfrost06]

This forum should be renamed the Gay Thread Forum

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Tock]

Also, why does it matter what the surgeon general's views on homosexuality is. He's not making policy.

According to http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/aboutoffice.html
he helps to make policy, and is influential in other health-related matters in the USA.

Mission of the Surgeon General
The Surgeon General serves as America's chief health educator by providing Americans the best scientific information available on how to improve their health and reduce the risk of illness and injury. The Surgeon General is appointed by the President of the United States with the advice and consent of the United States Senate for a 4-year term of office. In carrying out all responsibilities, the Surgeon General reports to the Assistant Secretary for Health, who is the principal advisor to the Secretary on public health and scientific issues.

The Office of the Surgeon General, under the direction of the Surgeon General, oversees the 6,000-member Commissioned Corps of the U.S. Public Health Service and provides support for the Surgeon General in the accomplishment of his other duties. The Office is part of the Office of Public Health and Science in the Office of the Secretary, U.S. ***artment of Health and Human Services.


As the Mission Statement says, he's supposed to traffick in scientific data. If, instead, he's wedded to the religious side of an issue, like calling homosexuality a disorder, and using the discredited religious "Reparative Therapy" to support his position, then he's pushing religion, and not science. Such people shouldn't be running the government bureaucracy.

[Tock]

This forum should be renamed the Gay Thread Forum

Maybe the Powers That Be could add a forum just for Gay threads.

It's my impression, however, that most of the gay threads have been started by straight folks. And, of course, I'm quite flattered . . .

[scottish]

, and that it is damaging to patients who have it forced on them..

How in the world can they have something forced on them?

[scottish]

and why in the world cant people just be what they want to be? Christ sakes..

[Tock]

How in the world can they have something forced on them?

It happens in situations where parents discover their teenager is gay, and they take them to a center that practices Reparative Therapy, usually some sort of religious-based organization. They push the RT on the kid, and the kid comes out worse for the experience.

[Tock]

and why in the world cant people just be what they want to be? Christ sakes..

Good question.