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    Beverly Hills Approves Outdoor Smoking Ban

    (CBS) BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. An ordinance banning smoking in nearly all outdoor dining areas in Beverly Hills will go into effect Oct. 1, but a restaurant group opposing it will continue efforts to amend it.

    The Beverly Hills City Council voted 5-0 Tuesday night to give final approval to the ordinance, following a 5-0 vote May 29 to give initial approval to the proposal, intended to provide a healthier environment and cleaner air for diners and pedestrians, according to city director of communications Robin Chancellor.

    The proposal is opposed by the Beverly Hills Restaurant Association, whose members feel the ban could prompt smokers to eat at restaurants in nearby Los Angeles or West Hollywood where smoking is allowed outdoors, hurting their business and costing Beverly Hills sales tax revenue, according to Executive Director Rudy Cole.

    Cole said he would support a statewide ban on smoking in outdoor dining areas, which would put Beverly Hills restaurants on "a more even playing field."

    The council agreed with the association to delay implementation of the measure until Oct. 1 so it would not affect the throngs of European tourists expected this summer, Cole said.

    The group plans to offer some amendments to the proposal this summer, Cole said.

    Smoking is banned in restaurants under state law. Burbank, Calabasas and Santa Monica have adopted outdoor smoking bans.

    An exception to the ban is that hotels would be allowed to permit smoking in 25 percent of their poolside dining areas, Chancellor said.

    The Beverly Hills proposal provides for a $100 fine for the first offense, a $200 fine for a second offense within one year and a $500 for fine for each additional violation within one year, according to Daniel E. Cartagena, a project manager with Beverly Hills' ***artment of Economic Development.

    Cartagena said he expected few tickets would be issued, with diners or staff pointing out the smoking ban, prompting smokers to stop, as has occurred in other cities with similar smoking bans.

    "This is significantly self-policing," Cartagena said. The proposal also calls for city staff to evaluate the effects of the measure, including if it results in declining business at restaurants offering outdoor dining and less sales-tax revenue for the city, and another hearing before the council before May 31, 2008.

    If the ban caused too many problems, the City Council could repeal the ordinance before May 31, Cartagena said.

    The smoking ban proposal stemmed from a suggestion by Councilman Barry Brucker in September following complaints from the public, Cartagena said.

    A two-member ad hoc committee consisting of Brucker and Councilwoman Linda Briskman met five times to study the issue and make recommendations to city staff members, who developed an initial proposal that was revised following an April 26 council study session and meetings between the committee, Chamber of Commerce and Beverly Hills Restaurant Association, Cartagena said.

    Only a few Beverly Hills restaurants have large outdoor dining areas. One is Caffe Roma, where Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and the actor Sylvester Stallone regularly smoke cigars while in the outdoor dining area.

    Many restaurants have small tables for sidewalk dining, under a plan adopted by the City Council to give Beverly Hills' business district a "European-style look and feel," Cole said.

    Restaurants pay a fee for being able to use the sidewalks and to build barriers, with the understanding that sidewalk tables could be used by smokers, Cole said.

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    I think smoking is stupid and disgusting, I hate the smell and would rather not be around it, at all. With that being said this law crosses the line and now we have big brother shaking down smokers for money. In Santa Monica if you get caught smoking on the beach you will get a $750 fine, if you take a piss on the beach it's a $50 fine.

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    Banning smoking near restaurants makes sense. A lot of places have out door seating and the smoke is blown your way. Another thing, smokers liter throwing their trash every where. It's disgusting to see butts laying on the sidewalk. If they want to smoke, smoke at home on their property.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    I think smoking is stupid and disgusting, I hate the smell and would rather not be around it, at all. With that being said this law crosses the line and now we have big brother shaking down smokers for money. In Santa Monica if you get caught smoking on the beach you will get a $750 fine, if you take a piss on the beach it's a $50 fine.
    Do you agree with the law against consuming alcohol in public?
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    I have mixed feelings, I hate smoking and at times I hate the smokers. I drive a motorcycle and every once in a while I get a smoker that tosses his cigarette out the window when I am behind them. At times I'd like to put that cigarette up their arse. I am just wary of the government telling us what we can/can not do and the second hand smoke being dangerous is non-sense. The cigarette butts being littered is a good arguement though and smokers usually do not pick up after themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Do you agree with the law against consuming alcohol in public?
    I have no problem with the consumption of alcohol in public but I do have a problem with public drunkeness.

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    I understand people don't want smoke blowing in their direction while they eat, but it seems like a restaurant's policy on smoking should be up to the restaurant.

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    I think if you want to have a restaurant or bar and you choose to allow smoking its bullshit for the govt to tell you that you cant. If people dont like it they should choose a non smoking place for their dining.

    btw, I dont smoke and it stinks like hell.

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    Studies investigating the economic impact of smoking bans on restaurants and bars have shown that business actually increases once the environment becomes smoke-free. I don't think these restaurants should worry about losing business, but rather what they're going to do with the extra $ and clean air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    I think if you want to have a restaurant or bar and you choose to allow smoking its bullshit for the govt to tell you that you cant. If people dont like it they should choose a non smoking place for their dining.

    btw, I dont smoke and it stinks like hell.
    Makes sense to me.
    I'm all for keeping the gov't to fixing potholes & running police and fire protection. Personal choices on private matters is something the gov't shouldn't decide for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSAR
    Studies investigating the economic impact of smoking bans on restaurants and bars have shown that business actually increases once the environment becomes smoke-free. I don't think these restaurants should worry about losing business, but rather what they're going to do with the extra $ and clean air.
    I agree except for that last bit, it's LA there is no such thing as clean air out here, sad but true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Banning smoking near restaurants makes sense. A lot of places have out door seating and the smoke is blown your way. Another thing, smokers liter throwing their trash every where. It's disgusting to see butts laying on the sidewalk. If they want to smoke, smoke at home on their property.
    I agree with this.. but what about the children??? they can't leave the house, or get out of the car as the parent is driving. This is going further and further down the path.. next thing you know they will be regulating protein powder and vit B...

    oh wait.. they are already trying..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Do you agree with the law against consuming alcohol in public?
    nope, I think it s stupid. but thats just me, a average liberal European

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