Texas church cancels funeral for gay man

**Tock** · 08-17-2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

I'm probably going to get flamed for this but I have wondered wether homosexual people have something wrong with them, like something missing in their genetic makeup.

Nope, no flame.
No such difference has been found between gays and heterosexuals.

Originally Posted by Flagg

You don't find homosexuality in the animal world.

If you didn't spend much time with animals, you might not. But zoologists who do, ya, those folks find lots of gay animals. Do a web search on
"Gay Animals"
and see what leads you get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE

is one of many.

**Tock** · 08-17-2007, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

Actually, I think the bigger question is: Are humans in the animal kingdom?

Of course. What else could we be?

**Superhuman** · 08-17-2007, 10:01 PM

I don't believe the animals are really gay. I see male dogs hump eachother all the time but it's just showing dominance... nothing sexual. Sometimes the dogs get hard but it's just because the penis happens to get rubbed during the act... like sometimes when my penis brushes up against something it gets hard whether I'm turned on or not. Show me some proof that the animals are actually having gay sex... sticking their penises in another male's anus or licking another male's penis until it cums (most animals don't have lips and thus cannot suck)

**Logan13** · 08-18-2007, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by Superhuman

I don't believe the animals are really gay. I see male dogs hump eachother all the time but it's just showing dominance... nothing sexual. Sometimes the dogs get hard but it's just because the penis happens to get rubbed during the act... like sometimes when my penis brushes up against something it gets hard whether I'm turned on or not. Show me some proof that the animals are actually having gay sex... sticking their penises in another male's anus or licking another male's penis until it cums (most animals don't have lips and thus cannot suck)

Now you have gone and done it SH, if Tock owns a dog or cat, it is literally ****ed............., just to try and prove a point

**Flagg** · 08-18-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by DSM4Life

This article makes a good point for the human Vs animal comparison

Homosexual behavior among animals

It is said that 450 species of animals have been documented as exhibiting homosexual behavior. So now the question is: Is homosexuality among humans natural?

Actually, I think the bigger question is: Are humans in the animal kingdom?

The article lists penguins, apes, dolphins, and some birds as examples. Apes really draw attention because of their close resemblance to humans. But an ape is not human.

Ask yourself: Do you consider yourself a mere animal? Don't you believe there's a soul in you, something that makes you who you are, and something that no animal has? Many homosexual activists argue for their "natural" behavior by using such studies in the animal kingdom. It is sad that they would stoop themselves down to the level of animals in order to justify their sexual "orientation" and behavior.

We all know that animals kill their own and even devour their own. Would that justify a murderer to commit the crime? What would the judge - or yourself - think when the murderer's defense attorney says that some species of monkeys kill their own all the time in the wild, and that's why it's "natural" for his client to commit murder. It would sound absolutely ludicrous, wouldn't it?!

Behavioral studies of animals are not about humans. Humans know good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, morality vs. immorality. It is in our hearts, in our souls, although sometimes we reject it. That is what makes us human.

ref. http://homepage.mac.com/eliu500/iblo...627/index.html

What sets us apart from animals that we have a soul and they dont? Because we can talk, because we listen to IPods? Humans are animals, we're a highly evolved animal but an animal none the less and as for good and evil, that is just concepts invented by us. What you call good, someone in Afghanastan calls evil...but who's to say which party is right.

It's quite simple in the animal kingdom, there is no right or wrong, no good or evil, merely Survival of the Fittest.

**Flagg** · 08-18-2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Tock

Nope, no flame.
No such difference has been found between gays and heterosexuals.

If you didn't spend much time with animals, you might not. But zoologists who do, ya, those folks find lots of gay animals. Do a web search on
"Gay Animals"
and see what leads you get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RlTAyNI8WE

is one of many.

Okay Tock, well as for there being no difference in brain patterns between homosexuals and heterosexuals, I'll have to take your word for that until I do some research but as for that video....

Well I gave it the benefit of the doubt and do you know what I honestly saw? Just some horned up animals that were feeling frisky and there were no females around at present. Also, in nearly all the cases the recipient seemed to hightail it out of there ASAP. And geeze, cant male big cats or girraffes play and have bonding sessions without there being some deep, gay ulterior motive? Yes animals have sometimes shown same sex behaviour but I put that down to just feeling overtly horny and having no opposite gender partner to mate with. At the end of the day, you do NOT have animals that will only look for same sex partners. If you stuck a female and a male chimp infront of a male chimp in season, I know which one he would pick.
Those dolphins they showed at the end of the video are extinct now. Maybe cause they all became gay???

Im going to be doing a degree in animal behaviour next year so maybe my thoughts will change but for now, I don't believe there is TRUE homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

**Tock** · 08-19-2007, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

Im going to be doing a degree in animal behaviour next year so maybe my thoughts will change but for now, I don't believe there is TRUE homosexuality in the animal kingdom.

Lots of animals will hump a same-sex critter if none of the opposite sex are available, not unlike what guys do in prison. However, as you will discover, there are other same-sex couples that bond for life. Some same-sex bird couples steal eggs from other nests and hatch and raise them as their own. Ya, you won't find much of this going on, just like only about 3% of the human population seems to be gay. But, it happens.

**ultraaman** · 08-20-2007, 02:04 PM

The church can do what it wants regarding this funeral. They're a bunch of narrow-minded jerks but it's their church.

As for what's natural or unnatural - until you get God on the phone to ask him, leave it. All we can ever know about "nature" is what we observe and how we observe it changes over time. The sun used to be pulled across the sky by a God in a chariot, then the sun rose and set over a flat Earth, now a round Earth revolves around the sun. The event never changed but how we looked at it did.

I accept as fact that being gay is mostly biological and quite natural because of what I've experienced and observed. Someone else might not agree. I seriously doubt we'll know for sure in our lifetime so until then, we just disagree. But quit with this sin cr@p already, it's downright annoying. The Christian bible is as subject to relative observation as the sun is.

**Flagg** · 08-20-2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Tock

Lots of animals will hump a same-sex critter if none of the opposite sex are available, not unlike what guys do in prison. However, as you will discover, there are other same-sex couples that bond for life. Some same-sex bird couples steal eggs from other nests and hatch and raise them as their own. Ya, you won't find much of this going on, just like only about 3% of the human population seems to be gay. But, it happens.

Everything happens for a reason, if 3% of birds are stealing eggs or 3% of humans are gay, then there are reasons for this. Maybe it's nature/evolutions way of trying new things to see if they work. After all, isnt that the meaning of life? To evolve and survive?

**DSM4Life** · 08-20-2007, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by ultraaman

The church can do what it wants regarding this funeral. They're a bunch of narrow-minded jerks but it's their church.

As for what's natural or unnatural - until you get God on the phone to ask him, leave it. All we can ever know about "nature" is what we observe and how we observe it changes over time. The sun used to be pulled across the sky by a God in a chariot, then the sun rose and set over a flat Earth, now a round Earth revolves around the sun. The event never changed but how we looked at it did.

I accept as fact that being gay is mostly biological and quite natural because of what I've experienced and observed. Someone else might not agree. I seriously doubt we'll know for sure in our lifetime so until then, we just disagree. But quit with this sin cr@p already, it's downright annoying. The Christian bible is as subject to relative observation as the sun is.

Look someone does have some logic.

**scriptfactory** · 08-20-2007, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

What sets us apart from animals that we have a soul and they dont? Because we can talk, because we listen to IPods?

I believe that humans are not animals. I really feel that we lost our connection to the world around us... I mean, look at how we are abusing the Earth!

Did Humans Lose Their Sixth Sense?

At one time humans also had this sixth sense, Rabinowitz said, but lost the ability when it was no longer needed or used.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...i_animals.html

**Logan13** · 08-21-2007, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

I believe that humans are not animals. I really feel that we lost our connection to the world around us... I mean, look at how we are abusing the Earth!

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...i_animals.html

Homo sapiens are animals, quit kidding yourselves about this.
Do we need a "6th sense" to survive? The answer is obviously not, much like the appendix....... BTW, why do you think that we need the ability to "see dead people" anyway?

**scriptfactory** · 08-21-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Logan13

Homo sapiens are animals, quit kidding yourselves about this.
Do we need a "6th sense" to survive? The answer is obviously not, much like the appendix....... BTW, why do you think that we need the ability to "see dead people" anyway?

You didn't read the link I posted. It talks about how animals are able to sense things about the world around us, like natural disasters. I didn't say it is a bad thing, I just feel that we've advanced to another state of "being". It's really a matter of sentience and sapience. Not survival...

**Flagg** · 08-21-2007, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

You didn't read the link I posted. It talks about how animals are able to sense things about the world around us, like natural disasters. I didn't say it is a bad thing, I just feel that we've advanced to another state of "being". It's really a matter of sentience and sapience. Not survival...

I dont know if its a sixth sense or not but most animals have one or more senses superior to us, wether that be sight, sound, taste, smell or touch so prehaps its these advanced senses that causes them to "detect" things, like pressure in the air changing and such.

**Logan13** · 08-22-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by Flagg

I dont know if its a sixth sense or not but most animals have one or more senses superior to us, wether that be sight, sound, taste, smell or touch so prehaps its these advanced senses that causes them to "detect" things, like pressure in the air changing and such.

We have evolved our frontal lobes for reasoning, not for sight and smell as in most other mammals.