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    Analysis: Iraq report may shift climate

    WASHINGTON - Democrats are warily anticipating a September report on the Iraq war, realizing that opponents will use any upbeat assessment to portray them as defeatists just as glimmers of hope appear.

    While many of their party colleagues find the notion fanciful, they acknowledge that top Republicans hope the report will show just enough progress in Iraq to persuade millions of Americans to be patient about troop withdrawals and less critical of how the war is being run.

    Democratic candidates for president and Congress, the GOP argument goes, would then be stuck with their Iraq-is-lost stance, appearing irresolute and beholden to liberal activists just as things are looking better.

    Many Democratic strategists consider it highly unlikely that a Bush administration report could convince voters the war is improving in a meaningful way. Polling data suggest most Americans are unlikely to change their views about the war based on a new report from the administration.

    Still, some Democrats worry that credible reports of even slight improvements in the military situation in Iraq could hurt their party's momentum, built largely on public disenchantment with President Bush and his handling of the war. The administration is writing the September update while consulting with Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. ambassador Ryan Crocker. Both men will testify before Congress.

    In late July, House Majority Whip James Clyburn, D-S.C., said an upbeat assessment from Petraeus would carry significant weight with his party's most conservative members. They would "want to stay the course, and if the Republicans were to stay united as they have been, then it would be a problem for us," Clyburn told The Washington Post.

    Republicans pounced on the remark, claiming Democrats see any progress in Iraq as a political setback. They also trumpeted a July 30 op-ed article in the New York Times by two Brookings Institution military scholars just back from Iraq.

    "We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms," wrote Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack. "We were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily 'victory' but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with."

    Some Democratic lawmakers have drawn similar conclusions, putting new strains on party solidarity. Rep. Brian Baird, D-Wash., recently returned from Iraq and said he no longer supports a hard deadline for troop withdrawals.

    "I have come to believe that calls for premature withdrawal may make it more difficult for Iraqis to solve their problems," Baird told The Columbian newspaper. The Democratic Party leadership "may be in a different place than I am right now," he said.

    Bush's allies hope more good news will come from next month's administration report to Congress, even though no one expects a thoroughly optimistic assessment. U.S. military leaders have said some Iraqi regions — such as the area around Mosul in the north and Al Anbar province in the west — may be stable enough to let U.S. troops redeploy elsewhere.

    House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, responding in writing to a reporter's question, said: "Democratic leaders made a political calculation in January and it is proving to be dead wrong."

    "Ignoring American successes in favor of advocating failure is not leadership," he said.

    With few exceptions, top national Democrats have called the war a mistake. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said in April he believed that "this war is lost and that the surge is not accomplishing anything." Reid was referring to the roughly 30,000 troops and support personnel sent to Iraq this spring.

    Of the party's major presidential contenders, Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois has opposed the war from the start; former Sen. John Edwards has apologized for his 2002 vote to authorize the war; and Sen. Hillary R. Clinton says Americans want "a leader who will end the war in Iraq."

    Yet all three have cautioned against a hasty withdrawal of U.S. troops that could lead to greater sectarian violence in Iraq.

    Several conservative commentators, anticipating the September report, say Democrats have climbed out too far on a dangerous limb. "Democrats, who have been pandering to their anti-war base, will increasingly see that they have... 'a problem,'" William Kristol wrote this month in the Weekly Standard, alluding to Clyburn's remarks.

    Not true, says Steve Elmendorf, a former Democratic congressional aide who now lobbies in Washington. "At the end of the day," he said in an interview, "the report gets filtered through the White House and Bush apparatus, and they don't have any credibility," he said.

    A recent CNN-Opinion Research Corp. poll found Americans almost evenly split when asked if the U.S. military is making progress in ending violence in Iraq. But by 53 percent to 43 percent, most said they do not trust the top U.S. commander there, Petraeus, to report what is truly happening when he briefs the president and Congress.

    Moreover, 72 percent of all respondents said a positive report would not affect their view of the war, while 28 percent said it would make them likelier to support it. Most polls show six in 10 Americans still oppose Bush's handling of the war, think the war is going badly and favor cutting troop strength in Iraq.

    Among them is Carol Cross, a political independent who lives in West Fargo, N.D. The war "seems like it's spinning its wheels, it's going nowhere," she said in a phone interview after answering poll questions.

    An upbeat report from Petraeus and the administration would not change her mind, said Cross, who is retired. "I think it's time for them to come home," she said, "no matter what."
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    The sad truth, very sad truth is the Democrats want Iraq to fail! so they can gain politically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    The sad truth, very sad truth is the Democrats want Iraq to fail! so they can gain politically.
    This is very TRUE. Another democrat in the white house and I guarantee the war will follow our troops home. The American public needs to "WAKE THE FVCK UP" and realize, you think it's bad now?......vote for a democrat and see what happens. Dude I could go on and on and on, got to stop though..........

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    Where did you get this article from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Where did you get this article from?
    I got it from lifesitenews.com

    on yahoo here's the link...

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070820/...mocrats_iraq_2

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon77
    This is very TRUE. Another democrat in the white house and I guarantee the war will follow our troops home. The American public needs to "WAKE THE FVCK UP" and realize, you think it's bad now?......vote for a democrat and see what happens. Dude I could go on and on and on, got to stop though..........
    Please explain. People pissed off by American occupation of middle eastern country. We leave. They get pissed off more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77
    Please explain. People pissed off by American occupation of middle eastern country. We leave. They get pissed off more?
    We leave, they become even bolder.......
    Hell, I am still waiting for all that oil we were supposed to have gotten........

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    Regardless of this report, this war has been going on for half a decade and their has to be political price the GOP pays. Its just a question of how much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77
    Please explain. People pissed off by American occupation of middle eastern country. We leave. They get pissed off more?
    Yea you fit right in with the "wake the fvck up" crowd! Current and prior military service individuals (me being one of them) seem to be alot more educated on the past six years than the general public. All your info comes from CNN, which #1 only a quarter of whats happening over there comes through your TV screen, #2 they only show you the bad. Why, cause America wants the troops home. Do you want an army of towel heads following. Because that's exactly what will happen if we pick up and get out all of a sudden. I don't expect civilians to understand these things, so, I'll leave you pondering over this question.


    How would you feel if you had another 9/11 happen in your town?



    My point has been made, BUT, I STILL don't expect you to understand what you have just read. SO.........my advise to you is









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    Ohhh... so we are winning the war now?? ( )

    Cool. What exactly do we gain by winning? No more terrorists () ? Awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mogamedogz
    Ohhh... so we are winning the war now?? Did not say that

    Cool. What exactly do we gain by winning? No more terrorists () ? Do not expect you to understand any of this
    Another crowd inductee with no clue........

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon77
    Yea you fit right in with the "wake the fvck up" crowd! Current and prior military service individuals (me being one of them) seem to be alot more educated on the past six years than the general public. All your info comes from CNN, which #1 only a quarter of whats happening over there comes through your TV screen, #2 they only show you the bad. Why, cause America wants the troops home. Do you want an army of towel heads following. Because that's exactly what will happen if we pick up and get out all of a sudden. I don't expect civilians to understand these things, so, I'll leave you pondering over this question.


    How would you feel if you had another 9/11 happen in your town?



    My point has been made, BUT, I STILL don't expect you to understand what you have just read. SO.........my advise to you is









    So there was an army of 'towel heads" coming from Iraq prior to 9/11? The only reason they would come is because we invaded the country. Accusing others of being nescient isnt very wise on your part.

    Your reviling comments and disparaging attitude towards others will render your stay here very short, discuss in a mature fashion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prada
    So there was an army of 'towel heads" coming from Iraq prior to 9/11? The only reason they would come is because we invaded the country. Accusing others of being nescient isnt very wise on your part.

    Your reviling comments and disparaging attitude towards others will render your stay here very short, discuss in a mature fashion.
    Sorry, but I've already made my point, and consider any additional comments made to me in this thread useless and unintelligent pertaining to the topic of world issues. My stay here........ ................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    We leave, they become even bolder.......
    Hell, I am still waiting for all that oil we were supposed to have gotten........


    These words have rang true already....see 9/11. We run and hide they will follow. Democrats need to open their eyes and stop playing politics with the troops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Democrats need to open their eyes and stop playing politics with the troops.
    ^^^EXACTLY!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    These words have rang true already....see 9/11. We run and hide they will follow. Democrats need to open their eyes and stop playing politics with the troops.
    Thank you.....nice to know I have some back up on this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jon77
    Yea you fit right in with the "wake the fvck up" crowd! Current and prior military service individuals (me being one of them) seem to be alot more educated on the past six years than the general public. All your info comes from CNN, which #1 only a quarter of whats happening over there comes through your TV screen, #2 they only show you the bad. Why, cause America wants the troops home. Do you want an army of towel heads following. Because that's exactly what will happen if we pick up and get out all of a sudden. I don't expect civilians to understand these things, so, I'll leave you pondering over this question.
    I'm a prior service member. Many of my friends are still in the military or retired. None of us feel the way you do. Do you honestly think an army of "towel heads" will invade the US if we pull out?

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    Personally I wouldnt have used that wording but the softer we act the more they will attack us, that has already been established over the last 15 years.


    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I'm a prior service member. Many of my friends are still in the military or retired. None of us feel the way you do. Do you honestly think an army of "towel heads" will invade the US if we pull out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I'm a prior service member. Many of my friends are still in the military or retired. None of us feel the way you do. Do you honestly think an army of "towel heads" will invade the US if we pull out?
    Yes I do. Maybe not an army, but terror attacks will be more frequent and of greater magnitude.

    Your absolutely right. I'm one of the 25-30% of the American population that still supports this war, AND the future war with IRAN that's getting closer everyday.
    My reasons for supporting this war are so broad that they don't even come close to touching what has been mentioned in this thread so far. So, service member to service member, I have to disagree with you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jon77
    Yes I do. Maybe not an army, but terror attacks will will be more frequent and of greater magnitude.

    Your absolutely right. I'm one of the 25-30% of the American population that still supports this war, AND the future war with IRAN that's getting closer everyday.
    My reasons for supporting this war are so broad that they don't even come close to touching what has been mentioned in this thread so far. So, service member to service member, I have to disagree with you...
    I understand you have your reasons for supporting the war but instead of playing the fear card (i.e. an army of towel heads) give your reasons. If you don't it makes you sound like a nationalist and you know what nationalism does to a country. If you don't know the consequences of nationalism you should ask the Germans...

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I understand you have your reasons for supporting the war but instead of playing the fear card (i.e. an army of towel heads) give your reasons. If you don't it makes you sound like a nationalist and you know what nationalism does to a country. If you don't know the consequences of nationalism you should ask the Germans...
    What is your solution? Withdraw and let the country sink into complete and utter chaos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    I understand you have your reasons for supporting the war but instead of playing the fear card (i.e. an army of towel heads) give your reasons. If you don't it makes you sound like a nationalist and you know what nationalism does to a country. If you don't know the consequences of nationalism you should ask the Germans...
    I hear ya man. Yeah i forgot to break it down more so everyone would have somewhat of an idea. Seems like you have to go into detail alot in here, and other threads as well, for all the peeps that like to assume and read into things.
    But hey, I'm cool now. Ya'll mofo's had me going in here for a minute though....


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    Quote Originally Posted by jon77
    Yea you fit right in with the "wake the fvck up" crowd! Current and prior military service individuals (me being one of them) seem to be alot more educated on the past six years than the general public. All your info comes from CNN, which #1 only a quarter of whats happening over there comes through your TV screen, #2 they only show you the bad. Why, cause America wants the troops home. Do you want an army of towel heads following. Because that's exactly what will happen if we pick up and get out all of a sudden. I don't expect civilians to understand these things, so, I'll leave you pondering over this question.


    How would you feel if you had another 9/11 happen in your town?



    My point has been made, BUT, I STILL don't expect you to understand what you have just read. SO.........my advise to you is








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