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    Arrest clouds Idaho senator's future

    WASHINGTON - Idaho Sen. Larry Craig, who has voted against gay marriage and opposes extending special protections to gay and lesbian crime victims, finds his political future in doubt after pleading guilty to misdemeanor charges stemming from complaints of lewd conduct in a men's room.

    The conservative three-term senator, who has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century, is up for re-election next year. He hasn't said if he will run for a fourth term in 2008 and was expected to announce his plans this fall.

    A spokesman, Sidney Smith, was uncertain late Monday if Craig's guilty plea in connection with an incident at the Minneapolis airport would affect his re-election plans.

    "It's too early to talk about anything about that," Smith said.

    A political science professor in Idaho said Craig's political future was in jeopardy. And a spokesman for the Democratic Senate Campaign Committee, Hannah August, said Craig's guilty plea "has given Americans another reason not to vote Republican" next year.

    Craig said in a statement issued by his office Monday that he was not involved in any inappropriate conduct.

    "At the time of this incident, I complained to the police that they were misconstruing my actions," he said. "I should have had the advice of counsel in resolving this matter. In hindsight, I should not have pled guilty. I was trying to handle this matter myself quickly and expeditiously."

    The married Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he has engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous.

    The arrest changes that dynamic, said Jasper LiCalzi, a political science professor at Albertson College of Idaho in Caldwell, Idaho. He cited the House page scandal that drove Florida Rep. Mark Foley from office.

    "There's a chance that he'll resign over this," LiCalzi said. "With the pressure on the Republican Party, he could be pressured to resign. If they think this is going to be something that's the same as Mark Foley — the sort of 'drip, drip, drip, there's more information that's going to come out' — they may try to push him out."

    Already Craig has stepped down from a prominent role with Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. He had been one of Romney's top Senate supporters, serving as a Senate liaison for the campaign since February.

    "He did not want to be a distraction and we accept his decision," said Matt Rhoades, a Romney campaign spokesman.

    According to a Hennepin County, Minn., court docket, Craig pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct charge on Aug. 8, with the court dismissing a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy.

    The court docket said Craig paid $575 in fines and fees and was put on unsupervised probation for a year. A sentence of 10 days in the county workhouse was stayed.

    According to the prosecutor's complaint, obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press, airport police Sgt. Dave Karsniam, who was investigating allegations of sexual conduct in airport restrooms, went into a stall shortly after noon on June 11 and closed the door.

    Minutes later, the officer saw Craig gazing into his stall through the crack between the stall door and the frame, fidgeted with his fingers and returned to gazing through the stall for about another two minutes.

    After a man in the adjacent stall flushed the toilet and left, Craig entered it and put his roller bag against the front of the stall door, "which Sgt. Karsnia's experience has indicated is used to attempt to conceal sexual conduct by blocking the view from the front of the stall," said the complaint, which was dated June 25.

    The complaint said Craig then tapped his right foot several times and moved it closer to Karsnia's stall and then moved it into the area of the officer's stall to where it touched Karsnia's foot. Karsnia recognized that "as a signal often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct," the complaint said.

    Craig then passed his left hand under the stall divider into Karsnia's stall with his palms up and guided it along the divider toward the front of the stall three times, the complaint said.

    The officer then showed his police identification under the divider and pointed towards the exit "at which time the defendant exclaimed `No!,' " the complaint said.

    Roll Call, a Capitol Hill newspaper which first reported the case, quoted the Aug. 8 police report as saying that Craig had handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

    "What do you think about that?" Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

    Craig joins other GOP senators facing ethical and legal troubles.

    Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, is under scrutiny for his relationship with a contractor who helped oversee a renovation project that more than doubled the size of the senator's home.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., acknowledged that his phone number appeared in records of a Washington-area business that prosecutors have said was a front for prostitution.

    Craig, a rancher and a member of the National R***e Association, lives in Eagle, Idaho, near the capital of Boise. He was a member of the House for 10 years before winning election to the Senate in 1990. He was re-elected in 1996 and 2002.

    Last fall, Craig called allegations from a gay-rights activist that he's had homosexual relationships "completely ridiculous."

    Mike Rogers, who bills himself as a gay activist blogger, published the allegations on his Web site, http://www.blogactive.com, in October 2006.

    Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, an advocacy group, on Monday called Craig a hypocrite.

    "What's up with elected officials like Senator Craig? They stand for so-called family values and fight basic protections for gay people while furtively seeking other men for sex," Foreman said.

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    ANOTHER ONE!!! Tock might be on to something after all.

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    We're going to need a sub-forum for "Gay Republican News Stories" if this keeps up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoggage_54
    We're going to need a sub-forum for "Gay Republican News Stories" if this keeps up!
    It is quite embarrassing to be honest and I think the last line of the article sums it up, "What's up with elected officials like Senator Craig? They stand for so-called family values and fight basic protections for gay people while furtively seeking other men for sex." They are hypocrites no doubt about that. Because of the stigma of being gay has it is somewhat understandable why some remain in the closet but to go about with an anti-gay agenda while being gay simply does not make sense to me. Maybe it's a form of projection or just a typical double talking politician, saying what the public wants to hear to get re-elected, I don't know but it's pretty crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    ANOTHER ONE!!! Tock might be on to something after all.
    Tock is more concerned with the fact that he may have more competition now.........

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    Craig says 'I am not gay'

    BOISE, Idaho - Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday said the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a complaint of lewd conduct in a men's room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."

    "I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.

    Craig's defiant news conference came as Senate Republican leaders in Washington called for an ethics committee review into his involvement in a police sting operation this summer in the airport men's room.

    "In the meantime, the leadership is examining other aspects of the case to see if additional action is required," Sen. Mitch McConnell and other top GOP lawmakers said in a written statement.

    Earlier, the private group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics filed a complaint with the ethics committee seeking an investigation into whether Craig violated Senate rules by engaging in disorderly conduct.

    Craig entered his plea several weeks after an undercover police officer in the Minneapolis arrested him and issued a complaint that said the three-term senator had engaged in actions "often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct."

    The airport incident occurred June 11. Craig signed his plea papers on Aug. 1, and word of the events surfaced Monday. The senator issued a statement Monday night that said, "In hindsight, I should have pled not guilty."

    He repeated that assertion at the Idaho news conference. "In June, I overreacted and made a poor decision," he said. "I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away."

    Craig was at times defiant, at others apologetic.

    "Please let me apologize to my family, friends and staff and fellow Idahoans for the cloud placed over Idaho," he said. "I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport. I did nothing wrong, and I regret the decision to plead guilty and the sadness that decision has brought on my wife, on my family, friends, staff and fellow Idahoans."

    The conservative three-term senator, who has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century, is up for re-election next year. He said he would announce next month whether he would run again.

    Craig, who has voted against gay marriage, finds his political future in doubt in the wake of the charges, which have drawn national attention.

    Craig, 62, has faced rumors about his sexuality since the 1980s, but allegations that he had engaged in gay sex have never been substantiated. Craig has denied the assertions, which he calls ridiculous.

    The scandal had already taken a political toll. On Monday, Craig resigned from a prominent role with Republican Mitt Romney's presidential campaign. He had been one of Romney's top Senate supporters, serving as a liaison for the campaign since February.

    Asked about Craig, Romney said, "He's disappointed the American people."

    "Yeah, I think it reminds us of Mark Foley and Bill Clinton. I think it reminds us of the fact that people who are elected to public office continue to disappoint, and they somehow think that if they vote the right way on issues of significance or they can speak a good game, that we'll just forgive and forget," Romney said on CNBC's "Kudlow & Company."

    Foley is a former Republican lawmaker who resigned nearly a year ago after being confronted with the computer messages he sent to male teenage pages who had worked on Capitol Hill. Clinton is the former president accused in congressional impeachment proceedings of lying about an affair with a White House intern.

    According to a Hennepin County, Minn., court docket, Craig pleaded guilty to a disorderly conduct charge on Aug. 8, with the court dismissing a charge of gross misdemeanor interference to privacy.

    The court docket said Craig paid $575 in fines and fees and was put on unsupervised probation for a year. A sentence of 10 days in the county workhouse was stayed.

    According to the prosecutor's complaint, obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press, airport police Sgt. Dave Karsnia, who was investigating allegations of sexual conduct in airport restrooms, went into a stall shortly after noon on June 11 and closed the door.

    Minutes later, the officer saw Craig gazing into his stall through the crack between the stall door and the frame.

    After a man in the adjacent stall left, Craig entered it and put his roller bag against the front of the stall door, "which Sgt. Karsnia's experience has indicated is used to attempt to conceal sexual conduct by blocking the view from the front of the stall," said the complaint, which was dated June 25.

    The complaint said Craig then tapped his right foot several times and moved it closer to Karsnia's stall and then moved it to where it touched Karsnia's foot. Karsnia recognized that "as a signal often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct," the complaint said.

    Craig then passed his left hand under the stall divider into Karsnia's stall with his palms up and guided it along the divider toward the front of the stall three times, the complaint said.

    The officer then showed his police identification under the divider and pointed toward the exit "at which time the defendant exclaimed `No!'" the complaint said.

    The Aug. 8 police report says that Craig had handed the arresting officer a business card that identified him as a member of the Senate.

    "What do you think about that?" Craig is alleged to have said, according to the report.

    Craig joins other GOP senators facing ethical and legal troubles.

    Sen. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, is under scrutiny for his relationship with a contractor who helped oversee a renovation project that more than doubled the size of the senator's home.

    Sen. David Vitter, R-La., acknowledged that his phone number appeared in records of a Washington-area business that prosecutors have said was a front for prostitution.

    Craig, a rancher and a member of the National R***e Association, lives in Eagle, Idaho, near the capital of Boise. He was a member of the House for 10 years before winning election to the Senate in 1990. He was re-elected in 1996 and 2002.

    Last fall, Craig called allegations from a gay-rights activist that he's had homosexual relationships "completely ridiculous."

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    "Idaho? no, senator you da hoe!"

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    He's not gay, he just likes gay sex

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    It is quite embarrassing to be honest and I think the last line of the article sums it up, "What's up with elected officials like Senator Craig? They stand for so-called family values and fight basic protections for gay people while furtively seeking other men for sex." They are hypocrites no doubt about that. Because of the stigma of being gay has it is somewhat understandable why some remain in the closet but to go about with an anti-gay agenda while being gay simply does not make sense to me. Maybe it's a form of projection or just a typical double talking politician, saying what the public wants to hear to get re-elected, I don't know but it's pretty crazy.
    Self hate.

    The biggest homophobes always turn out to be the biggest homosexuals. It's like they think if they show everyone how much they hate gay people they can convince themselves not to be gay.

    And having sex in bathrooms? How low is that. That is how sexual diseases are transmitted. When this guy is hooking up in a bathroom stall I doubt he's asking when was the last time the guy was tested for STDs. You talk about the "negative gay life style." Your republican representatives are living it. Not the rest of us. I meet guys in respectable normal places, and we go out on a date to the movies or a restaurant like normal people. Not hang at truck stops or in bathroom stalls.
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    "Do you notice gay marriage didn't become a big Republican priority until all their members started going to prison?"

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    What's really odd is that all these guys are Republican.

    Recent news:

    Ted Haggard - Republican preacher - bought meth and paid for a gay prostitute
    David Vittor - Republican Senator from Louisiana - patronized call girls
    Bob Allen - Republican state legislator from Florida - offered $20 to go down on a cop
    Glenn Murphy Jr - head of National Young Republicans and Republican County Chairman -- went down on a guy while he was sleeping
    Michael Flory - head of Michigan Young Republicans - arrested for rape

    Where are the Democrat officialss who are getting arrested for public sex, for rape, for taking advantage of guys in their sleep? There aren't any, and that's because gay Democrats are not closeted, and they have lots more places to socialize than gay Republicans (especially those who are married with kids).

    From what I understand, there are several more of these Republican sex scandals coming . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    What's really odd is that all these guys are Republican.

    Recent news:

    Ted Haggard - Republican preacher - bought meth and paid for a gay prostitute
    David Vittor - Republican Senator from Louisiana - patronized call girls
    Bob Allen - Republican state legislator from Florida - offered $20 to go down on a cop
    Glenn Murphy Jr - head of National Young Republicans and Republican County Chairman -- went down on a guy while he was sleeping
    Michael Flory - head of Michigan Young Republicans - arrested for rape

    Where are the Democrat officialss who are getting arrested for public sex, for rape, for taking advantage of guys in their sleep? There aren't any, and that's because gay Democrats are not closeted, and they have lots more places to socialize than gay Republicans (especially those who are married with kids).

    From what I understand, there are several more of these Republican sex scandals coming . . .
    I think that is a huge part of it. These guys that think it's not OK to be gay, sneak around to meet men. They seem to be the guys doing all of the dirty unsafe stuff. If their social circle did not make it such a taboo these guys would not be sneaking off to the woods and odd places to have sex.

    I meet guys that are respectable and I want to take home to meet my parents. I doubt Senator Craig will find that in a bathroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    BOISE, Idaho - Under fire from leaders of his own party, Idaho Sen. Larry Craig on Tuesday said the only thing he had done wrong was to plead guilty after a complaint of lewd conduct in a men's room. He declared, "I am not gay. I never have been gay."

    "I did nothing wrong at the Minneapolis airport," he said at a news conference with his wife, Suzanne, at his side.
    ............
    So sad. Can't even admit that he was lookin' for gay sex in the airport can. At least Mark Foley admitted what he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    I think that is a huge part of it. These guys that think it's not OK to be gay, sneak around to meet men. They seem to be the guys doing all of the dirty unsafe stuff. If their social circle did not make it such a taboo these guys would not be sneaking off to the woods and odd places to have sex.

    I meet guys that are respectable and I want to take home to meet my parents. I doubt Senator Craig will find that in a bathroom.
    By jove, I think he's got it! If the republican party wasn't so damn anti-homosexuality there wouldn't be a reason for these senators (SENATORS!!!) to try to suck penises in dirty bathroom stalls...

    ...of course, they are republican so maybe they just like the smell of shit.

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    They'll soon be called the Gay Old Party if this keeps up!! Ohhh cheesy joke

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    He's toast at this point, the police report and guilty plea tell the tale.
    However,I do have a problem with the Idaho Statesman (newspaper), using an anonymous source who claims to have had sex with the Senator. If you've had sex with the man and wish to tell that story do so out in the open, anything else is cowardly not to mention a dangerous precedent.
    Since he is from Idaho he will be replaced by someone who has even more conservative credentials...

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    He voted against gay marriage because thats what his constituents who elected him want...not because hes acting like some high moral character or a homophobe. The next Rep they elect will vote the same way.

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    the low down

    "...the incident began with Mr. Craig’s peering into the undercover officer’s stall several times through the crack in the door.

    Then, Mr. Craig reportedly entered the stall to the left of the undercover officer “and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door,” a move the officer said was intended to block the view from the front of the stall.

    When he was seated, Mr. Craig tapped his right foot in a signal used by people wishing to engage in lewd conduct, the report said.

    After the officer moved his own foot up and down, the report said, Mr. Craig moved his right foot so that it touched the side of the officer’s left foot under the stall divider. Mr. Craig also reportedly swiped his left hand under the stall three times before the officer held his police identification down by the floor so Mr. Craig could see it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    "...the incident began with Mr. Craig’s peering into the undercover officer’s stall several times through the crack in the door.

    Then, Mr. Craig reportedly entered the stall to the left of the undercover officer “and placed his roller bag against the front of the stall door,” a move the officer said was intended to block the view from the front of the stall.

    When he was seated, Mr. Craig tapped his right foot in a signal used by people wishing to engage in lewd conduct, the report said.

    After the officer moved his own foot up and down, the report said, Mr. Craig moved his right foot so that it touched the side of the officer’s left foot under the stall divider. Mr. Craig also reportedly swiped his left hand under the stall three times before the officer held his police identification down by the floor so Mr. Craig could see it."
    I bet Senator Craig was thinking "Yeah! I'm gonna do a cop!"


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    "I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away."


    No no my friend. This is how everyone should read this statement.

    I PLEAD GUILTY !

    Don't sugar coat that sh!t you $#@@ing hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    I bet Senator Craig was thinking "Yeah! I'm gonna do a cop!"


    I hope he was sitting on the toilet when he saw that badge, i bet he sh1t himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    I hope he was sitting on the toilet when he saw that badge, i bet he sh1t himself.
    or

    oohh handcuffs

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    GOP senators say Craig should resign

    WASHINGTON - Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's political support eroded significantly Wednesday as three fellow Republicans in Congress called for his resignation and party leaders pushed him from senior committee posts.

    The White House expressed its disappointment, too — and not a word of support for the 62-year-old lawmaker, who pleaded guilty earlier this month to a charge stemming from an undercover police operation in an airport men's room.

    Craig "represents the Republican party," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra of Michigan, the first fellow GOP member of Congress to urge a resignation.

    Craig said Tuesday he had committed no wrongdoing and shouldn't have pleaded guilty. He said he has only recently retained a lawyer to advise him in the case that threatens to write an ignominious end to a lifetime in public office.

    Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Norm Coleman of Minnesota joined Hoekstra in urging Craig to step down.

    McCain spoke out on an interview with CNN. "My opinion is that when you plead guilty to a crime, you shouldn't serve. That's not a moral stand. That's not a holier-than-thou. It's just a factual situation."

    Coleman said in a written statement, "Senator Craig pled guilty to a crime involving conduct unbecoming a senator."

    For a second consecutive day, GOP Senate leaders stepped in, issuing a statement that said Craig had "agreed to comply with leadership's request" to temporarily give up his posts on important committees. He has been the top Republican on the Veterans Affairs Committee as well as on subcommittees for two other panels.

    "This is not a decision we take lightly, but we believe this is in the best interest of the Senate until this situation is resolved by the ethics committee," said the statement, issued in the name of Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the party leader, and others.

    On Tuesday, the leaders jumped in ahead of Craig's appearance before television cameras in Idaho to announce they had asked the ethics committee look into the case.

    White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said, "We are disappointed in the matter," without specifying exactly what was causing the discomfort.

    He said he hoped the ethics committee would do its work swiftly, "as that would be in the best interests of the Senate and the people of Idaho."

    For their part, Democrats studiously avoided involvement with an unfolding Republican scandal.

    "We at least ought to hear his side of the story.," said Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, like McCain a presidential contender who spoke on CNN.

    McCain's call for a resignation was the first among GOP presidential rivals.

    Sen. Sam Brownback, also seeking the White House, said Craig's declaration that he had pleaded guilty to make the issue go away "doesn't work in these jobs." Still, the Kansan said it was premature to call for Craig to resign.

    That wasn't how it was seen by Coleman, a senator facing a potentially difficult re-election contest next year, or by Hoekstra, who signaled a concern about the impact on the party generally.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Hoekstra called Craig's explanations "not credible."

    "I think it's important for Republicans to step out right now and say, 'No, this behavior is not going to be tolerated,'" he said.

    Hoekstra, a conservative from western Michigan, said he reached his decision on his own and had not consulted with party leaders.

    "It's not a judgment on gay rights or anything like that. This is about leadership and setting a standard that the American people and your colleagues in the Republican Party can feel good about."

    Other Republicans dwelt on Craig's guilty plea, but Hoekstra's mention of homosexuality reflected a separate concern.

    "I am not gay. I never have been gay," the senator said on Tuesday, but that stood in apparent contradiction to the police report that led to his guilty plea, submitted on Aug. 1.

    Craig was arrested on June 11 in the Minneapolis airport men's room after an undercover officer observed conduct that he said was "often used by persons communicating a desire to engage in sexual conduct."

    Craig was read his rights, fingerprinted and required to submit to a mug shot at the time of his arrest.

    He subsequently pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, and signed papers that included a notation that the court would not accept a guilty plea from anyone claiming to be innocent.

    In his public appearance on Tuesday, Craig said he had "overreacted and made a poor decision" after being apprehended.

    "While I was not involved in any inappropriate conduct in the Minneapolis Airport or anywhere else, I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away," he said.

    Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, an openly homosexual member of the House, said Craig was a hypocrite on gay rights issues but he didn't think the Republican senator should resign.

    "This is the hypocrisy — it's to deny legal equality to gay people, but then to engage in gay behavior," Frank said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    WASHINGTON - Idaho Sen. Larry Craig's political support eroded significantly Wednesday as three fellow Republicans in Congress called for his resignation and party leaders pushed him from senior committee posts.

    Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts, an openly homosexual member of the House, said Craig was a hypocrite on gay rights issues but he didn't think the Republican senator should resign.
    ^^^This highlights the difference between the 2 parties.

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    McCain spoke out on an interview with CNN. "My opinion is that when you plead guilty to a crime, you shouldn't serve. That's not a moral stand. That's not a holier-than-thou. It's just a factual situation."
    This dude is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    ^^^This highlights the difference between the 2 parties.
    Maybe Sen. Craig should move to Mass. and run as a Democrat...

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    Agreed. Reps are judged by a higher standard.


    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    ^^^This highlights the difference between the 2 parties.

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    Nevertheless . . . IMHO, there's no reason why this guy should have to step down from his elected office.

    All he did, essentially, was to ask another guy for sex. Yes, the way he did it was crude and tacky, but what law did he break?
    Lots of guys ask women for sex in bars every night of the week (and vice versa), and that is not considered a crime. Gay sex is not illegal, so why should it be illegal for a guy to ask another guy for sex? IMHO, it shouldn't.


    So, on the principle that people shouldn't be criminalized for asking other people for a roll in the hay, I'm rooting for this guy to keep his job. As far as re-election goes, well, that will be decided by the good people of Idaho. They're a conservative bunch up there, and if they reject the current conservative idiot, I'm sure they won't have any difficulty finding another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roidattack
    Agreed. Reps are judged by a higher standard.
    I don't think it's a higher standard. It's just that the Republicans tend to be a lot more into the anti-gay and family values bs, so when they do this kind of thing the hypocrisy is more pronounced that it would be for a Dem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Nevertheless . . . IMHO, there's no reason why this guy should have to step down from his elected office.

    All he did, essentially, was to ask another guy for sex. Yes, the way he did it was crude and tacky, but what law did he break?
    Lots of guys ask women for sex in bars every night of the week (and vice versa), and that is not considered a crime. Gay sex is not illegal, so why should it be illegal for a guy to ask another guy for sex? IMHO, it shouldn't.


    So, on the principle that people shouldn't be criminalized for asking other people for a roll in the hay, I'm rooting for this guy to keep his job. As far as re-election goes, well, that will be decided by the good people of Idaho. They're a conservative bunch up there, and if they reject the current conservative idiot, I'm sure they won't have any difficulty finding another.
    Actually, when you put it like that... Wow! That's bullshit.

    So if I was outside a public restroom in a park and I hookup with a chick would I be going to jail? Probably not.

    If I try to hookup with a woman in a uni-sex bathroom would I be going to jail? I would think not.

    If I try to hookup with a man in a mens restroom would I be going to jail? I guess so.

    I never thought about it like that.

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    Nevertheless . . . IMHO, there's no reason why this guy should have to step down from his elected office.

    All he did, essentially, was to ask another guy for sex. Yes, the way he did it was crude and tacky, but what law did he break?
    Lots of guys ask women for sex in bars every night of the week (and vice versa), and that is not considered a crime. Gay sex is not illegal, so why should it be illegal for a guy to ask another guy for sex? IMHO, it shouldn't.


    So, on the principle that people shouldn't be criminalized for asking other people for a roll in the hay, I'm rooting for this guy to keep his job. As far as re-election goes, well, that will be decided by the good people of Idaho. They're a conservative bunch up there, and if they reject the current conservative idiot, I'm sure they won't have any difficulty finding another.
    Well, it's not all he did. He did plead guilty and then not tell anyone about this. Then when a newspaper found out he started saying he wasn't guilty. Either he lied to the court then, or he's lying to his constituents now. Either is grounds to be expelled from the senate in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Nevertheless . . . IMHO, there's no reason why this guy should have to step down from his elected office.

    All he did, essentially, was to ask another guy for sex. Yes, the way he did it was crude and tacky, but what law did he break?
    Lots of guys ask women for sex in bars every night of the week (and vice versa), and that is not considered a crime. Gay sex is not illegal, so why should it be illegal for a guy to ask another guy for sex? IMHO, it shouldn't.


    So, on the principle that people shouldn't be criminalized for asking other people for a roll in the hay, I'm rooting for this guy to keep his job. As far as re-election goes, well, that will be decided by the good people of Idaho. They're a conservative bunch up there, and if they reject the current conservative idiot, I'm sure they won't have any difficulty finding another.
    Sorry, but shouldn't the rest of us be able to go to the men's room without being approached for sex? I'm not anti gay-frankly I couldn't care less, but a public men's room is not the same as a bar. As for his job, that's up to the people of Idaho and his colleagues in the Congress.

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    Its not just gay issues. When Republicans are caught up in some scandal they are denounced by other Reps and asked to step down.

    When Dems do it we should all "forgive" him/her, no matter how much of a dirtbag they are.


    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77
    I don't think it's a higher standard. It's just that the Republicans tend to be a lot more into the anti-gay and family values bs, so when they do this kind of thing the hypocrisy is more pronounced that it would be for a Dem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    Actually, when you put it like that... Wow! That's bullshit.

    So if I was outside a public restroom in a park and I hookup with a chick would I be going to jail? Probably not.

    If I try to hookup with a woman in a uni-sex bathroom would I be going to jail? I would think not.

    If I try to hookup with a man in a mens restroom would I be going to jail? I guess so.

    I never thought about it like that.
    If he tried to solicit and wanted sex in a public place, yes, he should go to jail. If he was flirting in a bathroom? Yes, tacky ... but not something he should be arrested for.

    Quote Originally Posted by brewerpi
    Sorry, but shouldn't the rest of us be able to go to the men's room without being approached for sex? I'm not anti gay-frankly I couldn't care less, but a public men's room is not the same as a bar. As for his job, that's up to the people of Idaho and his colleagues in the Congress.
    I agree. I don't want someone trying to talk to me or check out my dick when I'm taking a piss. There is a time and place for everything and that is not the place for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    If I try to hookup with a woman in a uni-sex bathroom would I be going to jail? I would think not.
    Where is there a unisex bathroom? in the woods?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    Nevertheless . . . IMHO, there's no reason why this guy should have to step down from his elected office.

    All he did, essentially, was to ask another guy for sex. Yes, the way he did it was crude and tacky, but what law did he break?
    Lots of guys ask women for sex in bars every night of the week (and vice versa), and that is not considered a crime. Gay sex is not illegal, so why should it be illegal for a guy to ask another guy for sex? IMHO, it shouldn't.


    So, on the principle that people shouldn't be criminalized for asking other people for a roll in the hay, I'm rooting for this guy to keep his job. As far as re-election goes, well, that will be decided by the good people of Idaho. They're a conservative bunch up there, and if they reject the current conservative idiot, I'm sure they won't have any difficulty finding another.
    No that's not all he did, read the excerpt from the police report I wrote..."the incident began with Mr. Craig’s peering into the undercover officer’s stall several times through the crack in the door." It might be alright with you but I do not want someone peeking at me while I am taking a dump! Nor do I want to walk in with a child(or alone) and hear or witness two perverts having sex(unisex or heterosexual). Do NOT try to justify his actions as if he was picking up a date, he was not looking for a telephone number he was looking for a quicky. I liked what Carlos said, a public restroom is not the place to go for sex, get a room. It had to be soo bad there that they set up a police sting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfrost06
    Where is there a unisex bathroom? in the woods?
    I guess you don't go out much. A lot of night clubs and bars have unisex bathrooms. Some clubs have lounge areas and a bar inside the bathroom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    I guess you don't go out much. A lot of night clubs and bars have unisex bathrooms. Some clubs have lounge areas and a bar inside the bathroom.
    Wow. That's news to me and no I rarely go out to clubs and when I say rarely I mean never. Unisex bathrooms

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    Unisex bathrooms
    Yup. Welcome to 2007.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E
    Yup. Welcome to 2007.
    Now Carlos, you know I still live in the 1800's

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