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    Giuliani: Dems Will Change Minds on Iraq

    Giuliani: Dems Will Change Minds on Iraq

    LONDONDERRY, N.H. (AP) - Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani said Monday that two of the Democratic candidates will change their minds again about the Iraq war and agree that it was the right decision.
    Asked at a town-hall meeting to characterize the mission of U.S. troops in Iraq, Giuliani said they have done an admirable job.

    "Do I think the mission overall in Iraq is the correct one, I think without a doubt it is," the former New York mayor said at Insight Technologies, which makes tactical weapon lights and laser systems for the military.

    "And I think the Democrats are going to change their minds about it again," Giuliani said, noting that Hillary Rodham Clinton and John Edwards voted as senators for the initial invasion in 2003.

    Edwards, who is no longer in the Senate, since has apologized for his vote. Clinton has not apologized, but has said she would not have voted for the measure authorizing use of force if she had known then what she knows now.

    "I think they're going to change their minds. I think the verdict of history is going to be that it was the right decision," Giuliani said.

    He argued that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would now be facing two dangerous countries trying to become nuclear powers—Iraq and Iran.

    "Suppose Hillary Clinton and John Edwards' new position was their position back then, that it was a mistake to take him out," Giuliani said, referring to former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. "Wouldn't we be dealing with Saddam Hussein becoming nuclear right now? If Iran was becoming nuclear what would he be doing? Sitting there letting his arch enemy gain nuclear power over him? Or would we now be dealing with two countries seeking to become nuclear powers."

    On Iran, Giuliani criticized Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., also a candidate for president, for saying they would engage in diplomatic relations with Iran. Obama has said he would be willing to meet with Iran's leader in the first year of his presidency without conditions; Clinton has said envoys below the presidential level should begin diplomatic work.

    "This is the world we live in. It's not this happy, romantic-like world where we'll negotiate with this one, or we'll negotiate with that one and there will be no preconditions, and we'll invite (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to the White House, we'll invite Osama (bin Laden) to the White House," Giuliani said.

    "Hillary and Obama are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball," he added.

    Giuliani said the U.S. should be ready to negotiate, but "you can't negotiate with people unless they want to negotiate with you."

    The former mayor made the rounds in New Hampshire as his campaign began airing a new radio ad in the state in which he discusses his bout with prostate cancer and promotes the $15,000 tax breaks he says he would give families to buy private health insurance.

    Giuliani discussed the plan with Manchester Chamber of Commerce members.

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    I think he's right.

    American popular opinion is fickle.

    That's why a President that would do things according to the US Constitution is what we need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    I think he's right.

    American popular opinion is fickle.

    That's why a President that would do things according to the US Constitution is what we need.
    Paul does seem set in his beliefs, I will give you that.
    But since you have turned into such a strict constitutionalist, don't forget this from the Constitution (Bill of Rights):
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Paul does seem set in his beliefs, I will give you that.
    But since you have turned into such a strict constitutionalist, don't forget this from the Constitution (Bill of Rights):
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."
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    I haven't seen anyone tell schoolkids that they can't pray to their god.
    On the other hand, I do see attempts to prod, or even require by law, prayer in school. Unconstitutional, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
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    I haven't seen anyone tell schoolkids that they can't pray to their god.
    On the other hand, I do see attempts to prod, or even require by law, prayer in school. Unconstitutional, IMHO.
    Ron Paul supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer.....
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Education.htm
    further voting record, are you sure that this is your guy?

    No legislation to counteract the homosexual agenda. (Sep 2007)
    No affirmative action for any group. (Sep 2007)
    No need for Marriage Amendment; DOMA is enough. (Sep 2007)
    First Amendment was written for controversial speech. (Sep 2007)
    Use power of presidency to restore habeas corpus. (Sep 2007)
    Don't ask, don't tell is a decent policy for gays in army. (Jun 2007)
    Voted NO on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman. (Jul 2006)
    Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
    Voted NO on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage. (Sep 2004)
    Voted YES on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
    Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
    Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC. (Jul 1999)
    Voted YES on ending preferential treatment by race in college admissions. (May 1998)
    Rated 67% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
    Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record. (Dec 2003)
    No constitutional or moral authority for US action in Darfur. (Sep 2007)
    Don't pressure Israel to give up land for promise of peace. (Sep 2007)
    Not US role to monitor eradication of legal slavery in Sudan. (Sep 2007)
    Avoid ratifying Law of the Sea Treaty. (Sep 2007)
    Right to spread our values, but wrong to spread by force. (Aug 2007)
    Our foreign policy is designed to protect our oil interests. (Jun 2007)
    No amnesty, but impractical to round up 12 million illegals. (Sep 2007)
    Immigration problem is consequence of welfare state. (Sep 2007)
    No amnesty, but border fence isn't so important. (Jun 2007)
    We subsidize illegal immigration, so we get more. (Jun 2007)
    Keep rule barring immigrants from running for president. (May 2007)
    Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
    Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
    Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
    Voted YES on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
    Voted YES on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
    Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
    Minimum wage takes away opportunities, especially for blacks. (Sep 2007)
    No "sexual orientation" in Employment Non-Discrimination Act. (Sep 2007)
    Voted NO on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Mar 2007)
    Voted NO on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Jan 2007)
    Voted NO on $167B over 10 years for farm price supports. (Oct 2001)
    Voted YES on zero-funding OSHA's Ergonomics Rules instead of $4.5B. (Mar 2001)
    Member of the Congressional Rural Caucus. (Jan 2001)
    Rated 47% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a mixed record on union issues. (Dec 2003)
    Personal retirement accounts allow investing in one's future. (Sep 2007)
    Federal government won't keep its entitlement promises. (Mar 2007)
    Voted YES on raising 401(k) limits & making pension plans more portable. (May 2001)
    Voted YES on reducing tax payments on Social Security benefits. (Jul 2000)
    Voted NO on strengthening the Social Security Lockbox. (May 1999)
    Rated 30% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior voting record. (Dec
    Immediately work to phase out the IRS. (May 2007)
    Get rid of the inflation tax with sound money. (May 2007)
    Campaign slogan in 2004: The Taxpayers' Best Friend. (Jan 2007)
    Voted YES on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Dec 2005)
    Voted YES on providing tax relief and simplification. (Sep 2004)
    Voted YES on making permanent an increase in the child tax credit. (May 2004)
    Voted YES on permanently eliminating the marriage penalty. (Apr 2004)
    Voted YES on making the Bush tax cuts permanent. (Apr 2002)
    Voted YES on $99 B economic stimulus: capital gains & income tax cuts. (Oct 2001)
    Voted YES on Tax cut package of $958 B over 10 years. (May 2001)
    Voted YES on eliminating the Estate Tax ("death tax"). (Apr 2001)
    Voted YES on eliminating the "marriage penalty". (Jul 2000)
    Voted YES on $46 billion in tax cuts for small business. (Mar 2000)
    Overhaul income tax; end capital gains & inheritance tax. (Dec 2000)
    Phaseout the death tax. (Mar 2001)
    Rated 89% by NTU, indicating a "Taxpayer's Friend" on tax votes. (Dec 2003
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Ron Paul supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer.....
    http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Education.htm
    further voting record, are you sure that this is your guy?
    No candidate is perfect. Some of his positions sukk. Others are pretty good. Overall, he's the best Republican candidate.

    I dunno who's gonna be the Democratic candidate. I'll compare what's available on election day. And contrary to what you might think, I'm not a single issue voter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock
    No candidate is perfect. Some of his positions sukk. Others are pretty good. Overall, he's the best Republican candidate.

    I dunno who's gonna be the Democratic candidate. I'll compare what's available on election day. And contrary to what you might think, I'm not a single issue voter.
    sometimes you do surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    sometimes you do surprise me.
    We have so much in common.
    Look, our post counts are almost the same!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    We have so much in common.
    Look, our post counts are almost the same!

    I think that most of ours are in response to the other's post.

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    I don't like all of Ron Paul's position but I like him better than any of the republicans and democrats running except for Kucinich.

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    Giuliani is disillusioned if he thinks he has any validity in any of his arguments

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    What does Giuliani know besides parroting Bush. Well I guess he's good at making millions of 9-11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants View Post
    What does Giuliani know besides parroting Bush. Well I guess he's good at making millions of 9-11.
    how did he make millions on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    how did he make millions on this?
    He made millions from speaking fees after 9-11 and also he formed Guiliani Partners to further capitalize on his 9-11 fame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants
    He made millions from speaking fees after 9-11 and also he formed Guiliani Partners to further capitalize on his 9-11 fame.
    the guy is a joke

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