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    Two depressing articles

    We are witnessing the end of the domination the west have on big science. Not only is japan investing more and china and india eager to beat us, but europe and america doesnt even fight back but instead gut the science funding.

    What disturbs me the most is that the avarage joe doesnt care, because he is totaly ignorant about the simple fact that without well funded basic research he would not have a computer to sit on or a lcd tv at home to watch.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...tory?track=rss

    Argonne National Laboratory arguably is where the hot new nanotechnology industries were born and without Fermilab, the MRI machines that are common in hospitals across the nation might not have been possible.

    Together, Illinois' two national laboratories are local economic powerhouses that employ almost 5,000 people and spend more than $800 million a year to operate. Nationally, they are part of the scientific and technical foundation upon which the United States economy has prospered for more than 60 years.

    But just before Christmas, Fermi and Argonne were gravely injured by the budget hammered out by a feuding President Bush and Congress. Argonne faces the closing of one facility, downtime at another and an uncertain number of layoffs. Fermi was hit even harder, facing 200 immediate layoffs, unpaid days off for remaining workers and the prospect of being closed altogether sometime in the future.

    America's high-tech industrial facilities and jobs are likely to go abroad because U.S. companies can no longer count on support from the government, a major corporate chairman warned Congress.

    This harsh fate was totally unforeseen. Only last summer the president and Congress passed a law endorsing the notion that America's economic competitiveness rests squarely upon the back of basic research financed by federal dollars. A bipartisan majority pledged to raise appropriations for national labs and academic researchers.

    The sudden turnabout was rooted in political infighting between the two houses of Congress, as well as President Bush's line in the sand for Democratic lawmakers.

    "This wasn't done to punish Fermilab or physics," said Pier Oddone, Fermilab's director. But lack of intent doesn't lessen the damage from a $52 million budget cut, which stops all planning for a new physics machine that Fermilab hopes to land. Failing to win that machine puts Fermilab on the road to closing down as its current facility, the Tevatron, will soon become obsolete.

    Competitiveness lost

    The budget cuts that enraged and demoralized lab employees also caught the attention of America's corporate technocracy leadership, which is concerned that this country is already letting its long-standing leadership in science innovation slip away.

    Noting that Congress passed a $250 billion farm bill "to support industries of the 19th Century," Craig Barrett, chairman of Intel Corp., asked in letters to congressional leaders "isn't it time we pull our political leadership together to start supporting the industries of the 21st Century?"

    Looking at budget cuts for science, Barrett warned that "industry is listening carefully to your deliberations. If there is no government support to these areas that will dictate our competitiveness for the next century, then we might as well just accept that and make our investments elsewhere."

    Argonne's advanced photon source provides dozens of superbright X-ray beams that enable researchers to see how chemistry unfolds, how pathogens work, helping pharmaceutical scientists design new drugs. The X-ray beams also explore how smaller electronic circuitry may work.

    Faced with budget cuts, the photon source must reduce its operations by 20 percent, said Robert Rosner, Argonne's director, which means researchers will wait longer to do their experiments.

    Academic scientists will just have to wait, but folks from Intel, Abbott Laboratories or Motorola who have commercial competition to consider may go elsewhere, said Michael Lubell, public affairs director for the American Physical Society.

    U.S. capacity at X-ray facilities such as Argonne's is already tight, while similar facilities built abroad have capacity and welcome American researchers, he said.

    "In the electronics industry, they have quick turnaround times for new products," Lubell said. "If a researcher has to wait six months to get the beam time he needs in this country, he's tempted to go abroad.

    "Once your R&D goes offshore, your manufacturing will follow. Cutting back Argonne's operation only compounds the problem."

    Argonne's relationship to industry goes back a long way. Early work at the lab on nanotechnology led to the founding in 1989 of Nanophase Technologies Corp., now based in Romeoville, among the country's first commercial nanotech concerns.

    While Fermilab's research focuses on how matter and energy interact and how the universe works, the technology it develops has significant economic impact. Advancing supercold, superconducting magnetic technology to build the Tevatron broke the technological ground necessary to make MRI machines a practical reality.

    For scientists, it is especially frustrating to see deep cuts in programs that have wide backing as being important while more parochial projects were untouched.

    In this budget, like those before it, many projects favored by individual lawmakers were inserted into funding bills with no outside review. Sometimes costing millions of dollars, these projects, usually called "pork," are funded through earmarks, which are proposals members of Congress agree to fund, often in return for favors from one another.

    During heated budget negotiations that resulted in disaster for mainstream science research, some congressional leaders proposed freezing this year's earmarks, which would free up nearly $10 billion. But many lawmakers objected, and the idea was dropped.

    "Earmarks fly in the teeth of any rational approach to federalism," said Nicholas Johnson, a former member of the Federal Communications Commission who now teaches at the University of Iowa law school. For years Johnson has fought, with some success, a proposed $50 million in federal funds earmarked to build an indoor rain forest in Iowa.

    "A lot of stuff that ought to be paid for with local or state funds gets federal earmarks," Johnson said. "It makes the U.S. Senate and House act as if they were a local city council."

    Traditionally, money for earmarks was appropriated in addition to funding for projects submitted through formal channels. But in the current budget, mainstream science is starving while earmarked projects survive.

    While earmarks may trouble good government advocates, they're not going away, said Lubell, the physical society's public affairs director. But earmarks do cross a line when Congress kills significant programming to fund them, which to some extent happened this year.

    "I have never seen a situation in my life where the budget process broke down as badly as it did this year," said Lubell, a physicist who has closely watched federal budget-making for a dozen years. "It's hard to understand why."

    Illinois congressional representatives and others are pushing for supplemental legislation to restore the 2008 funding cuts, although the prospects of success are unclear.

    It is likely that the 2009 fiscal budget for science will be back on track, said April Burke, a lobbyist who works for the University of Chicago and other universities that operate Fermilab. The Christmastime holiday budget massacre was an aberration she doubts will happen again anytime soon.

    "With Congress, science is like being a favorite aunt," she said. "Would you drop everything to go visit her? Probably not. But if you see her, you like her. Democrats and Republicans both agree that basic science is good for our economy, good for the nation.

    "But it's not the thing that drives people in Washington from day to day."

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    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/mai...115.xml&page=1

    Researchers are in uproar after a recently established quango unveiled a series of cuts and abandoned some projects altogether because of an estimated £80m funding shortfall. Martin Rees, the Astronomer Royal, argues that Britain will pay a far higher price if it scraps vital projects now

    Scientists involved in physics and space research - and I'm one of them - are fortunate people. Their work is stimulating; it's the basis for most of the technologies that modern life depends on; and its research frontiers - from atoms to the cosmos - interest a wide public.

    But in recent months, physics has been making less happy news. There have been angry complaints from professional bodies and from vice-chancellors. More than 10,000 scientists have signed petitions and young physicists are anxious about their future.

    The problems stem from a recently established quango, the Science and Technology Facilities Council (STFC), which is said to have a shortfall of £80 million over the next three years and is balancing the books by pulling out of some projects and slashing its support for university physics departments.

    The STFC has a varied remit. It runs Britain's large public science laboratories (where a central facility serves scientists from all over the country).

    It also pays the UK's subscription to the European Space Agency and the CERN laboratory in Geneva: the UK belongs to these consortia because they provide access to facilities that no single European nation can afford.

    The STFC also supports the research of university teachers who study astronomy and particle physics.

    When the Government announced further increases in the research budget last autumn, on top of eight previous annual rises, nobody imagined that a few weeks later the research community would be angrily complaining about cuts.

    Overall, STFC did only marginally worse than other areas of science. It ran into problems because most expenditure is on big, long-term items. There is a commitment to maintain the splendid Diamond Laboratory near Oxford and our subscriptions to international consortia have also gone up.

    Consequently, there is a severe squeeze threatened on items that can be cut quickly - in particular, on grants to universities which support research in space science, astronomy and particle physics.

    Most young scientists in universities are supported on such grants, many of which seem likely to be axed.

    It is also proposed to withdraw from the partnership that funds the Gemini telescope in Hawaii, and from the global consortium that is planning a follow-up to the particle accelerator at CERN.

    But having invested in world-class facilities, it is short-sighted to waive the benefits. Indeed, we owe it to the taxpayer to seek at least our share of the scientific credit from all our international partnerships.

    Moreover, these announcements have sent an embarrassing signal to the rest of the world that we are hard up, confused about our priorities, and potentially unreliable partners.

    Many people ask why it matters whether we can do research in these arcane subjects. Until we have found a cure for cancer, how can we justify spending large sums of public money on staring into space or identifying mind-numbingly tiny particles?

    But there are many good, practical reasons for doing so, quite apart from our natural desire to understand the world we live in and the universe within which that world sits.
    Five years ago Sir Peter Mansfield won the Nobel Prize for Medicine for his discoveries concerning magnetic resonance imagining, which is a powerful way of identifying some cancers.

    But although Sir Peter's research has had this application, he is a physicist whose work would never have been possible without funding for basic physics.

    This country has an outstanding record in scientific research. We are second only to the US by many criteria - and well ahead of the Americans in terms of the cost-effectiveness of our effort.

    We're also the only other country competing in the premier league of the world's universities. Those of us who become university teachers are attracted to the role (despite poor salaries) by the prospect, without undue hassle, of gaining basic funding for the research we choose to do.

    This is what's on offer in the leading US universities; we need to be competitive if we are to sustain the respect in which UK science is held internationally.

    Twelve per cent of all the world's foreign students come to the UK. Not only do their fees help us bring in welcome revenue, but they forge long-term links with those who will eventually hold key positions in their own country.

    Without the requisite research funds, this status is threatened. Furthermore, our strong universities make us a magnet for global investment in science and innovation. There are similarities with the way the injection of resources allowed London to surge ahead as a global financial centre: success breeds success; talent attracts talent.

    Conversely, cutbacks lead to falling morale, loss of talent, and a reduction in top-grade science disproportionately larger than the money saved.

    Scientific expertise is needed if we are to meet the challenges of energy, the environment and health that will confront the world in the coming decades.

    Government educational initiatives are turning around the earlier decline in the number of pupils choosing to study physics A-level, and I have become hopeful that we can reinvigorate the UK's traditional strength in the physical sciences.

    The last thing the universities need now is a setback caused by a sudden, unexpected and undeserved cut in funding.

    Problems like those at the STFC are symptoms of the fact that, despite positive trends over the last decade, the UK is far from the top of the league in terms of science support from the public purse.

    In biomedical sciences, Government funding is generously supplemented by the Wellcome Trust and other medical charities; but there are no such sources for the physical sciences to draw on.

    It is crucial, especially when funds are tight, to optimise how they are spent. The setting of broad strategic goals is, rightly, the prerogative of government - but scientists themselves should be engaged as fully as possible in setting priorities.

    Academic scientists stake much of their working lives, and their reputations, on choosing the most fruitful lines of research. They have as much incentive as anyone to stretch finite funds to produce maximum scientific outputs.

    Unfortunately, the tendency has been for funds to be more tightly micromanaged from the centre. To get the maximum benefit from the taxpayers' money they are investing in science and innovation, the Government needs to involve the scientific community more widely.

    The Prime Minister has repeatedly emphasised the goal of making the UK one of the best places in the world to do science. It would be a shame if the suboptimal management of STFC did anything to scupper this aim.

    •Martin Rees is President of the Royal Society and Master of Trinity College, Cambridge
    THE DOOMED PROJECTS... AND WHAT HAPPENS NEXT...

    Which projects will be hit by cuts?

    The twin eight-metre Gemini telescopes in Chile and Hawaii.

    The International Linear Collider (ILC), a planned £3.5 billion particle smasher.

    High-energy gamma-ray astronomy and ground-based studies of the Sun's effect on the Earth.

    Reduction of around 25 per cent in all physics research grants.

    What else might be affected?

    The United Kingdom Infra-Red Telescope on Mauna Kea, Hawaii.

    The Isaac Newton Group of Telescopes on the Canary Islands.

    MERLIN, the network of radio telescopes centred on Jodrell Bank.

    The Liverpool Telescope in the Canary Islands, the world's largest research robotic telescope.

    A US-led dark energy survey.

    Astrogrid, the UK's contribution to a global virtual observatory.

    Experiments for the direct detection of gravitational waves, notably GEO600 and Advanced LIGO.

    Experiments to detect dark matter, using sensitive detectors beneath the North Yorkshire moors.

    CLOVER, an experiment to find echoes of the Big Bang in background microwave radiation

    Reduction in the use of ISIS, a world-leading source of neutron particles.

    What is the next move?

    Today there will be a Westminster Hall debate on the cuts, and the House of Commons Select Committee on Innovation, Universities and Skills will hold an inquiry on Monday.

    WHO SAYS WHAT?

    "Until December last year, fundamental physics seemed to be a field with a dazzling future, and strongly supported by Government. In only a few weeks, someone somewhere has managed to demoralise a generation of young scientists." James Jackson of the University of Bristol, who organised a letter of protest from 550 young scientists

    "We believe that it is scientific vandalism." Prof Brian Foster of Oxford University

    "This is the death of ground-based solar-terrestrial physics in the UK." Dr Jim Wild of Lancaster University, on cuts to studies of the Northern Lights

    "Somebody, by accident, design or just sheer incompetence, has managed to set the image of our wonderful, inspiring subject back years." Dr Brian Cox of the University of Manchester

    "Our international colleagues are amazed at how shoddily we have been treated." Prof Stan Cowley of the University of Leicester

    "I cannot reconcile the rhetoric of the Labour government about a knowledge-based society and importance of science with what I see." Prof Carlos Frenk of Durham University

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    It is sad, because it is evidence that the problems run deeper than we think they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman View Post
    It is sad, because it is evidence that the problems run deeper than we think they do.
    Decadence Is probably the word that describes the situation best The west isnt hungry for exploration, development and sucess anymore. We are fat, lasy, ignorant and if anything require effort its not worth it(just look at how few enroll into science and engineering programs at universities and colleges nowdays compared to just 20-30 years ago).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern View Post
    Decadence Is probably the word that describes the situation best The west isnt hungry for exploration, development and sucess anymore. We are fat, lasy, ignorant and if anything require effort its not worth it(just look at how few enroll into science and engineering programs at universities and colleges nowdays compared to just 20-30 years ago).
    These are not gov't owned research facilities. The fact is that many companies have gone overseas in alarming rates for the past 15+ years. Lower taxation, reduced gov't oversight, and the lower wages outside of the US are very appealing to many "bottom lines".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    These are not gov't owned research facilities. The fact is that many companies have gone overseas in alarming rates for the past 15+ years. Lower taxation, reduced gov't oversight, and the lower wages outside of the US are very appealing to many "bottom lines".
    Im not sure I follow, not goverment owned? If the US goverment doesn own the national labs who does?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern View Post
    Im not sure I follow, not goverment owned? If the US goverment doesn own the national labs who does?
    gov't funding is not gov't owned. I can tell you where some of that funding went to. Hint: Thank Al Gore...................

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    I see a lot of corruption in state regulation of the business I'm in. I'm afraid that corruption on the part of regulators is becoming not only commonplace, and anyone who actually does things the right way (keeping everything sanitary to avoid spreading disease & etc) is rare.
    On top of that, the general public doesn't know, and doesn't care.

    My previous carreer ended when I became a whistleblower; I tried to get management to comply with basic chemical safety proceedures. Folks in the factory had been suffering with lung polyps and respiratory problems from routine toxic chemical overexposure. Middle management were more concerned with taking whatever shortcuts necessary to maximize their annual bonuses. Employees suffering with health problems were afraid to speak up, because they didn't want to lose their jobs. Me, I'm accustomed to speaking my mind, so I did, and got a lot of things fixed, but after 4 years of fighting 'em, it wasn't fun any more, so I left to go do something that was fun.

    Anyway, from what I've seen, there aren't many people interested in doing the right thing. Lots of people are interested in making a quick buck, not thinking through their political or religious allegiences. As a consequence, other nations are gonna whup American butt's.

    It's just a matter of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13 View Post
    gov't funding is not gov't owned. I can tell you where some of that funding went to. Hint: Thank Al Gore...................
    Yeah I know Gore and Clinton tried to shut down a few of the national labs and killed research on one of the most promising reactors. Assholes!

    But what is the reason for this budget cut?

    The worrying thing isnt this exact incident though, its the decline of science in the entire western world. Less and less enroll in science educations, people care less and less and politicians offcourse doesnt care about things that doesnt give votes. Cutting funding is just the next logical step.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tock View Post
    I see a lot of corruption in state regulation of the business I'm in. I'm afraid that corruption on the part of regulators is becoming not only commonplace, and anyone who actually does things the right way (keeping everything sanitary to avoid spreading disease & etc) is rare.
    On top of that, the general public doesn't know, and doesn't care.

    My previous carreer ended when I became a whistleblower; I tried to get management to comply with basic chemical safety proceedures. Folks in the factory had been suffering with lung polyps and respiratory problems from routine toxic chemical overexposure. Middle management were more concerned with taking whatever shortcuts necessary to maximize their annual bonuses. Employees suffering with health problems were afraid to speak up, because they didn't want to lose their jobs. Me, I'm accustomed to speaking my mind, so I did, and got a lot of things fixed, but after 4 years of fighting 'em, it wasn't fun any more, so I left to go do something that was fun.

    Anyway, from what I've seen, there aren't many people interested in doing the right thing. Lots of people are interested in making a quick buck, not thinking through their political or religious allegiences. As a consequence, other nations are gonna whup American butt's.

    It's just a matter of time.

    Thats the main problem, why doesnt the general public care anymore? I mean WTF

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern View Post
    Thats the main problem, why doesnt the general public care anymore? I mean WTF
    We are spending too much time playing video games, to study. + I think we've kind of gotten used to the gov't doing all the research for us. We just expect these people to exist out there, but sadly they do not anymore.

    We have also taken science very far already, it is starting to get beyond human ability to comprehend easily, which prolly limits the amount of people that are going to be capable of taking us further.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooks View Post
    We are spending too much time playing video games, to study. + I think we've kind of gotten used to the gov't doing all the research for us. We just expect these people to exist out there, but sadly they do not anymore.
    This Carl Sagan quote comes to mind
    "We have designed our civilization based on science and technology and at the same time arranged things so that almost no one understands anything at all about science and technology. This is a clear prescription for disaster. "

    Quote Originally Posted by Pooks View Post
    We have also taken science very far already, it is starting to get beyond human ability to comprehend easily, which prolly limits the amount of people that are going to be capable of taking us further.
    I dont think science has become much harder today, its mostly that the ammount of information is so overwhelmingly huge that one can only hope to become a expert in a small field.

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    Does reading Scientific American count for anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern View Post
    Yeah I know Gore and Clinton tried to shut down a few of the national labs and killed research on one of the most promising reactors. Assholes!

    But what is the reason for this budget cut?


    The worrying thing isnt this exact incident though, its the decline of science in the entire western world. Less and less enroll in science educations, people care less and less and politicians offcourse doesnt care about things that doesnt give votes. Cutting funding is just the next logical step.

    ANSWER:A WORLDWIDE EMPIRE THAT WE CANNOT AFFORD TO MAINTAIN ANY LONGER!

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    this is sad. I work in batavia right by fermi, my co workers husband is physicist there. I assume the budget cuts are to fund the war, but this is such an impact that most people cant understand. Perhaps it means something to me being a biology student in the school of science at my university, as i have come to realize and appreciate the immense and genius of the people that do this work and research. But this will give up our position in the world of science to some other country, along with causing many jobs losses. The things that come from places like this inevitably show up in our day to day life, and people do not realize it. Thankfully there is a lot of community support in the opposition of this budget cut, and this support has even reached the state level, along with many individual voices, hopefully this will prevent it.

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