Castro Steps Down

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 12:45 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...tro/index.html

You gotta love the world domination attitude America just loves to spew:

President Bush said Castro's decision ought to spark "a democratic transition" for Cuba.

"The international community should work with the Cuban people to begin to build institutions that are necessary for democracy and eventually this transition ought to lead to free and fair elections," Bush said Tuesday in Rwanda. "The United States will help the people of Cuba realize the blessings of liberty."

Always talking of Democracy and how every gov't should be a Democracy. What a load of ****ing bullshit. Democracy is a pile of shit, any leader with any sense at all and who wasn't a war mongerer looking for territory and financial gain could see Democracy is a farce.

LOL @ "free and fair elections"..umm you mean like the 2004 Election we had? hahaha

A proper translation would go something like this:

President Bush said "This is wonderful news. 10 US Presidents have tried to overthrow Castro and were unsuccessful. This news is good in that we can now mettle in Cuban affairs and push our weight and ideals around and make them our puppet. In trade for being our bitch, Cuba can become a Democracy and have fair and balanced elections where voter fraud can be implemented and mass media propoganda can go into affect in our favor. Cuba is ours now! hahaha"

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 01:03 PM

First, what happened in the 2004 election that makes you think it was unfair? I really am clueless on that one.

Second, if not a demcracy them what? What is better than a democracy? the dictatorship that Castro had?

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

First, what happened in the 2004 election that makes you think it was unfair? I really am clueless on that one.

Second, if not a demcracy them what? What is better than a democracy? the dictatorship that Castro had?

LOL that you have to ask!

I can tell you what is better than a Democracy, its called a "Constitutional Republic". Have you ever heard of it? It is what America is supposed to be, yet they have brainwashed everyone to believe it is a Democracy.

As far as the 2004 voter fraud, you need to turn off the TV and simply look into that issue. Evidence of voter fraud was found, yet squashed. I wonder why? haha

Anyone that would trust a voting machine is a goddamn fool. One of the programmers testified that there was tampering with the code.

And as far as Cuba, just who in the **** does America think it is trying to tell (force) another country how to govern itself. It's apparent that this gov't does'nt have a ****ing clue and should be the last government in the world to tell another how to act. Then again, might makes right huh?

**soulstealer** · 02-19-2008, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

LOL that you have to ask!

I can tell you what is better than a Democracy, its called a "Constitutional Republic". Have you ever heard of it? It is what America is supposed to be, yet they have brainwashed everyone to believe it is a Democracy.

As far as the 2004 voter fraud, you need to turn off the TV and simply look into that issue. Evidence of voter fraud was found, yet squashed. I wonder why? haha

Anyone that would trust a voting machine is a goddamn fool. One of the programmers testified that there was tampering with the code.

You are aware that A "Republic" is a shade of democracy that can be lead by a constitution or not as long as its ruled by law... So the US is a democracy A Constitutionally lead republican based democracy =P

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by soulstealer

You are aware that A "Republic" is a shade of democracy that can be lead by a constitution or not as long as its ruled by law... So the US is a democracy A Constitutionally lead republican based democracy =P

Ok, please find the word "Democracy" in the Constitution. Good luck too!

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

LOL that you have to ask!

I can tell you what is better than a Democracy, its called a "Constitutional Republic". Have you ever heard of it? It is what America is supposed to be, yet they have brainwashed everyone to believe it is a Democracy.

As far as the 2004 voter fraud, you need to turn off the TV and simply look into that issue. Evidence of voter fraud was found, yet squashed. I wonder why? haha

Anyone that would trust a voting machine is a goddamn fool. One of the programmers testified that there was tampering with the code.

And as far as Cuba, just who in the **** does America think it is trying to tell (force) another country how to govern itself. It's apparent that this gov't does'nt have a ****ing clue and should be the last government in the world to tell another how to act. Then again, might makes right huh?

I still have no clue about the 2004 election please enlighten me and post a link or reference.

As for Cuba, I suggest you build a raft out of logs and float down there and then you can finally get away from the evil USA and get free healthcare too!

**soulstealer** · 02-19-2008, 01:44 PM

The Word "republic" is derived from the word democracy meaning power of the people... A republic is clearly defined as a indirect democracy (we vote for representatives who get voting power) as opposed to a direct democracy (you vote on everything and it counts, majority rule) Republic democracy's type can vary in nature such as parliamentary or republic.... But one things for sure Muriloninja all I have to do is show you the word republic in the constitution to prove we're a democracy... like it or not...

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 01:46 PM

I am sure "Godfather" can really help in thi smatter as he is in fact a student of Constitutional Law

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

I still have no clue about the 2004 election please enlighten me and post a link or reference.

As for Cuba, I suggest you build a raft out of logs and float down there and then you can finally get away from the evil USA and get free healthcare too!

You voted for Bush didn't you.

We might as well get a raft and float to Africa where people are murdered and raped daily and what makes Cuba look like a ****ing paradise right?

Sewe what I am trying to say, why do people die every single day over blood diamonds/conflict diamonds in Africa and we do nothing about it?

This country was not founded to be the world police officer, we have a duty to take care of ourselves and do the best we can for Americans FIRST AND FOREMOST!

This world policing is sucking us dry...McCain has no problem sending the next 5 generations of Americans to Iraq to keep the farce going, oh..excuse me.."Our Freedom" intact. Sorry!

So if you are saying that I am making Cuba sound good and America bad, you did not get my point. Cuba is a soveriegn nation who has the right to set her own policies without outside interference from the US.

How would you feel if China setup bases on American soil and had thousands of troops here? Wouldn't that be just a tad bit weird and unsettling?

We as Americans need to realise that we are not the only people in the world and that we CANNOT dictate how others govern their country and live their lives. Just as they CANNOT ours.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 01:54 PM

I will post the information about the 2004 elections..I am at work. Will do ASAP.

**hauss man** · 02-19-2008, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

As for Cuba, I suggest you build a raft out of logs and float down there and then you can finally get away from the evil USA and get free healthcare too!

haha

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

You voted for Bush didn't you.

So if you are saying that I am making Cuba sound good and America bad, you did not get my point. Cuba is a soveriegn nation who has the right to set her own policies without outside interference from the US.

Yes, I voted for Bush.

As for Cuba, they had Nuclear weapons pointed at us and they are 50 miles away from the US so we had very good reason to get invovled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Since then I don't think we have done too much other then send i love lucy reruns through the radio waves since they ban all outside media. Oh and occassionally ask them to release their politcal prisoners. You see in most countries when someone speaks out against their leader like you do everyday they get thrown in jail or they just dissappear. You may not like the USA but you should be very happy you are allowed to say so!

**Carlos_E** · 02-19-2008, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

You voted for Bush didn't you.

We might as well get a raft and float to Africa where people are murdered and raped daily and what makes Cuba look like a ****ing paradise right?

Sewe what I am trying to say, why do people die every single day over blood diamonds/conflict diamonds in Africa and we do nothing about it?

This country was not founded to be the world police officer, we have a duty to take care of ourselves and do the best we can for Americans FIRST AND FOREMOST!

This world policing is sucking us dry...McCain has no problem sending the next 5 generations of Americans to Iraq to keep the farce going, oh..excuse me.."Our Freedom" intact. Sorry!

So if you are saying that I am making Cuba sound good and America bad, you did not get my point. Cuba is a soveriegn nation who has the right to set her own policies without outside interference from the US.

How would you feel if China setup bases on American soil and had thousands of troops here? Wouldn't that be just a tad bit weird and unsettling?

We as Americans need to realise that we are not the only people in the world and that we CANNOT dictate how others govern their country and live their lives. Just as they CANNOT ours.

Well said.

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Well said.

Carlos would you say the USA was wrong to get invovled in South Africa when they had apartheid? Or should we just mind our own business and let other counrties do what they want?

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Yes, I voted for Bush.

As for Cuba, they had Nuclear weapons pointed at us and they are 50 miles away from the US so we had very good reason to get invovled.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Since then I don't think we have done too much other then send i love lucy reruns through the radio waves since they ban all outside media. Oh and occassionally ask them to release their politcal prisoners. You see in most countries when someone speaks out against their leader like you do everyday they get thrown in jail or they just dissappear. You may not like the USA but you should be very happy you are allowed to say so!

Castro was nice enough to empty his dungeons and float a shit load of scumbags to Florida. Of course America welcomed them with open arms. This was 1981, not sure you know much about it other than seeing it on the movie Scarface.

I have talked to women whop were on those ships headed here. Talk about rape and murder and god knows what else occured. Then again, alot of them were hardcore criminals.

And I like the ever popular "You don't like America, you can leave statement" it only shows you do not posess the knowledge to debate the topic at hand.

This is not about Cuba alone, it is about America sticking its goddamn nose in everyones business.

OPf course we got involved in what is now known as "The Cuban Missle Crisis". Then again, we have missles pointed everywhere but thats ok, we are the only ones allowed aren't we. I mean we are so mighty and just that we can do that, but god forbid anyone else attempt to protect themselves.

The Cuban missle issue had alot to do with Russia as well. It was Russia's support of Cuba that pissed us off.

I started this topic to show just how pathetic out foregin policy is, one leader is stepping down and our gov't immediately states how "Democracy" should be installed as it would be so much better. All this other stuff is extra

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

Castro was nice enough to empty his dungeons and float a shit load of scumbags to Florida. Of course America welcomed them with open arms. This was 1981, not sure you know much about it other than seeing it on the movie Scarface.

I have talked to women whop were on those ships headed here. Talk about rape and murder and god knows what else occured. Then again, alot of them were hardcore criminals.

You make as much sense(cents) as a 3 dollar bill.

Originally Posted by muriloninja

And I like the ever popular "You don't like America, you can;t leave statement" it only shows you do not posess the knowledge to debate the topic at hand.

That would be a Communist statement, America lets you leave whenever you want unless you are fleeing criminal charges.

Originally Posted by muriloninja

OPf course we got involved in what is now known as "The Cuban Missle Crisis". Then again, we have missles pointed everywhere but thats ok, we are the only ones allowed aren't we. I mean we are so mighty and just that we can do that, but god forbid anyone else attempt to protect themselves.

So you're saying we should stick our noses into their business? As for you I can't speak but I think the rest of us feel much safer being the one that points the missles rather then having enemies pointing missles at us. We don't point missles at friends.

Originally Posted by muriloninja

I started this topic to show just how pathetic out foregin policy is, one leader is stepping down and our gov't immediately states how "Democracy" should be installed as it would be so much better. All this other stuff is extra.

I think that statement speaks to how pathetic your position is

and I am still waiting for the election fraud of 2004 links you promised

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

You make as much sense(cents) as a 3 dollar bill.

That would be a Communist statement, America lets you leave whenever you want unless you are fleeing criminal charges.

So you're saying we should stick our noses into their business? As for you I can't speak but I think the rest of us feel much safer being the one that points the missles rather then having enemies pointing missles at us. We don't point missles at friends.

I think that statement speaks to how pathetic your position is

and I am still waiting for the election fraud of 2004 links you promised

The only thing that pisses me off about your post if for me to realise that my shitty typing and mispelling is out of control.

**Carlos_E** · 02-19-2008, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

Carlos would you say the USA was wrong to get invovled in South Africa when they had apartheid? Or should we just mind our own business and let other counrties do what they want?

Last I heard we did not invade South Africa to "free" it's people. We used diplomacy. Invading a country to impose our way of life is going to far when THEY DO NOT WANT US THERE. (Iraq)

**Carlos_E** · 02-19-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

The only thing that pisses me off about your post if for me to realise that my shitty typing and mispelling is out of control.

I noticed that. It took me a second to realize whop = who.

**Kärnfysikern** · 02-19-2008, 03:50 PM

Well to return to cuba talk, lets hope this will be the first step toward a end of that dictatorship.

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

The only thing that pisses me off about your post if for me to realise that my shitty typing and mispelling is out of control.

too funny, I do that way to often too. I have too many thoughts going threw my mind at once and I type looking at the keyboard, I look up and it's all caps and misspelled then it goes down hill from there.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

too funny, I do that way to often too. I have too many thoughts going threw my mind at once and I type looking at the keyboard, I look up and it's all caps and misspelled then it goes down hill from there.

Yes, but I am at work to you lazy bastards!

I will try to get the 2004 Election shit to you.

**kfrost06** · 02-19-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Carlos_E

Last I heard we did not invade South Africa to "free" it's people. We used diplomacy. Invading a country to impose our way of life is going to far when THEY DO NOT WANT US THERE. (Iraq)

I can certianly agree with that statement. Diplomacy should always be number one and foremost however we should be concerned what other coutries are doing and I would say we as the main superpower have a moral obligation to help the less fortunate countries out. Invasion should be a last resort and in Iraq it wasn't.

**Panzerfaust** · 02-19-2008, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

I can certianly agree with that statement. Diplomacy should always be number one and foremost however we should be concerned what other coutries are doing and I would say we as the main superpower have a moral obligation to help the less fortunate countries out. Invasion should be a last resort and in Iraq it wasn't.

That is the biggest ****ing lie ever told to the American people. It is nothing more than a scape goat for our shitty ass foreign policy.

**thegodfather** · 02-20-2008, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by kfrost06

I can certianly agree with that statement. Diplomacy should always be number one and foremost however we should be concerned what other coutries are doing and I would say we as the main superpower have a moral obligation to help the less fortunate countries out. Invasion should be a last resort and in Iraq it wasn't.

Morals are a completely subjective thing, depending on culture, region, and a number of other factors. We have no business legislating morals, or enforcing morals. Morals are a personal/individual matter.

It is no different to assume that all 190 countries of the world should preferr to live under Democracy, than it was for the Christians to assume that everyone would preferr to be a Christian during the Crusades. Same exact platform, just different ideologies being shoved down peoples throats with force and coercion.

I personally believe Democracy is a great and far superior system, and I'm glad that we have come far enough in our cultural and intellectual evolution to realise it and chose it as our system of government. But I am certainly not so arrogant as to assume that everyone wants to live under this form of government, and I certainly do not believe we are OBLIGATED to spread Democracy by force and bloodshed.

**Amorphic** · 02-20-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...tro/index.html

You gotta love the world domination attitude America just loves to spew:

Always talking of Democracy and how every gov't should be a Democracy. What a load of ****ing bullshit. Democracy is a pile of shit, any leader with any sense at all and who wasn't a war mongerer looking for territory and financial gain could see Democracy is a farce.

LOL @ "free and fair elections"..umm you mean like the 2004 Election we had? hahaha

A proper translation would go something like this:

you could not have said it any better.

RA · 02-20-2008, 07:48 AM

Agreed. The problem I see right now is that his brother isnt going to let the reins of power go.

Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern

Well to return to cuba talk, lets hope this will be the first step toward a end of that dictatorship.

**soulstealer** · 02-20-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by thegodfather

Morals are a completely subjective thing, depending on culture, region, and a number of other factors. We have no business legislating morals, or enforcing morals. Morals are a personal/individual matter.

It is no different to assume that all 190 countries of the world should preferr to live under Democracy, than it was for the Christians to assume that everyone would preferr to be a Christian during the Crusades. Same exact platform, just different ideologies being shoved down peoples throats with force and coercion.

I personally believe Democracy is a great and far superior system, and I'm glad that we have come far enough in our cultural and intellectual evolution to realise it and chose it as our system of government. But I am certainly not so arrogant as to assume that everyone wants to live under this form of government, and I certainly do not believe we are OBLIGATED to spread Democracy by force and bloodshed.

I agree with you 100% percent exactly my thinking... I think most people believe other forms of government to be inherently evil because of the propaganda we spread... its not logical that We or one side of the argument is Holy, correct or in anyway right, to assume that is arrogance in its purest form...

RA · 02-20-2008, 11:00 AM

I must be arrogant. People are starving to death in Cuba slowly because they are not given even the minimal nutritional requirements. Clearly dictatorship has been very bad for Cuba...

I might also want to add that every human on the planet wants to live their life free. Ask anyone, which would you rather have, someone stucturing how exactly your going to live from cradle to grave or be allowed to make up your mind which path you want to follow.

If you believe freedom is the correct way then it must be correct for all human beings or you really dont believe in it.

Originally Posted by soulstealer

I agree with you 100% percent exactly my thinking... I think most people believe other forms of government to be inherently evil because of the propaganda we spread... its not logical that We or one side of the argument is Holy, correct or in anyway right, to assume that is arrogance in its purest form...

**kfrost06** · 02-20-2008, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by roidattack

I must be arrogant. People are starving to death in Cuba slowly because they are not given even the minimal nutritional requirements. Clearly dictatorship has been very bad for Cuba...

I might also want to add that every human on the planet wants to live their life free. Ask anyone, which would you rather have, someone stucturing how exactly your going to live from cradle to grave or be allowed to make up your mind which path you want to follow.

If you believe freedom is the correct way then it must be correct for all human beings or you really dont believe in it.

well put and of course thats not arrogant. Whats arrogant is people constantly complaining how evil the USA is and sticking up for these dictators. I wonder if they know what those dictators do to people that complain about them or what Iran would do with a nuclear bomb, why people risk their lives fleeing Cuba or just how great life was in Iraq before the US came and ruined it for them.