"Biggest Brain Drain in UK in 50 years"

[Prada]

They should have some type of laws, for students leaving for overseas within a certain time frame. Make them pay, shouldn't be a burden upon tax payers.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...-mostviewedbox

Britain is experiencing the worst "brain drain" of any country as highly qualified professionals settle abroad, an authoritative international study showed yesterday.

Record numbers of Britons are leaving - many of them doctors, teachers and engineers - in the biggest exodus for almost 50 years.

There are now 3.247 million British-born people living abroad, of whom more than 1.1 million are highly-skilled university graduates, say the researchers.

More than three quarters of these professionals have settled abroad for more than 10 years, according to the study by the Organisation of Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

No other nation is losing so many qualified people, it points out. Britain has now lost more than one in 10 of its most skilled citizens, while overall only Mexico has had more people emigrate.

The figures, based on official records from more than 220 countries, will alarm Gordon Brown as tens of thousands of pounds of taxpayers' money is spent on educating graduates. The cost of training a junior doctor, for example, is £250,000.

The most popular destinations are English-speaking countries such as Australia, America, Canada and New Zealand and holiday areas including France and Spain.

Almost 60 per cent of those leaving take jobs, although hundreds of thousands of retired people live abroad.

The report is a statistical analysis which does not study the motivation for leaving Britain. However, high house prices and taxes and poor climate are frequently cited.

A spokesman for the Paris-based OECD said last night: "British people have lots of opportunities to move and work abroad so very highly-skilled people are travelling around. It is seen by many British people as part of their personal development to have some experience abroad."

Britain's exodus is far higher than any of the OECD's other 29 members. Germany has lost only 860,000 highly-skilled workers, America 410,000 and France 370,000.

The OECD found that 27.3 per cent of those emigrating had health or education qualifications, 37.7 per cent had humanities or social science degrees and 28.5 per cent were scientists or engineers.

Britain has a shortage of graduates in many of these fields and universities have long warned that some of the brightest hopes are being lost to higher salaries abroad.

The report cited research suggesting that 62 per cent of the world's "star scientists" live in the US, primarily because of the efforts made by American research universities to attract them.

Danny Sriskandarajah, a migration expert at the IPPR think-tank, said: "There is a long-term trend of British people lured abroad by a slightly better lifestyle. They are actively targeted by countries such as Australia and New Zealand."

The emigration was leading to a rapid change in British society as large numbers of highly-skilled immigrants moved to this country to replace those leaving, he said.

"Britain has been lucky - although it has lost substantial numbers of people, it has attracted more than a million skilled immigrants to replace them. If they stop coming then that would be a problem."

Figures from the Office for National Statistics last year, suggested that 207,000 Britons - one every three minutes - left in 2006. The emigration rate is at its highest since just after the Second World War.

The term brain drain was coined in the 1950s following the mass emigration of scientists and other experts to America. Tens of thousands of people also left the country to escape the industrial unrest and high taxes of the 1970s.

Damian Green, the shadow immigration minister, said: "Ten years of Labour has re-created the brain drain. High taxes and Government interference are driving people away."

The study found that foreign-born people make up 8.3 per cent of Britain's population. A House of Lords report into the economic impact of migration is due next month.

Prof David Coleman, of St John's, Oxford, said the brain drain was "to do with quality of life, laws and bureaucracy, tax and all the rest of it".

Prof Christian Dustmann, of University College London, said: "The costs of leaving a country are substantial. The rewards must be very high."

[Kärnfysikern]

If the country itself can not support the ambitions of those people I se no reason that they should be forced to stay. Im looking at moving to another country after I finish my masters simply because there are no possibility to get a PhD position in sweden that is interesting.

It would be interesting to know how many of those leaving UK returns after a few years in other countries.

[Prada]

If the country itself can not support the ambitions of those people I se no reason that they should be forced to stay. Im looking at moving to another country after I finish my masters simply because there are no possibility to get a PhD position in sweden that is interesting.

It would be interesting to know how many of those leaving UK returns after a few years in other countries.

They have a similar problem in Canada, tax payers invest millions in students who take off as soon as the get their diploma.

I remember at McGill I had a few Chinese landed immigrants in my class who barely spoke English but for some reason understood everything and got 90s. They were all engineers or management students. Their weekends consisted of having a study group while all us westerners were drinking and getting laid. Anyways he bluntly told me that he was returning to China as soon as he gets his degree. Not because there are no opportunities but rather personal choice or $$$$. Others come to Canada, cheap education, health care, great social programs. Get their degree and go to the USA. So Im thininking to myself why are we taxpayers paying for this. I see a lot of Asian and Indian students doing that. Come to North America for higher education and then get the hell out.

[Flagg]

When I complete my degree, one of the FIRST THINGS iL be looking at is moving abroad.

Everything in that report is true, buying real estate here is an absolute joke now, we didn't HAVE a summer last year, England on a whole is expensive to live in and the rising youth/chav/yob culture is way out of control.

[Kärnfysikern]

They have a similar problem in Canada, tax payers invest millions in students who take off as soon as the get their diploma.

I remember at McGill I had a few Chinese landed immigrants in my class who barely spoke English but for some reason understood everything and got 90s. They were all engineers or management students. Their weekends consisted of having a study group while all us westerners were drinking and getting laid. Anyways he bluntly told me that he was returning to China as soon as he gets his degree. Not because there are no opportunities but rather personal choice or $$$$. Others come to Canada, cheap education, health care, great social programs. Get their degree and go to the USA. So Im thininking to myself why are we taxpayers paying for this. I see a lot of Asian and Indian students doing that. Come to North America for higher education and then get the hell out.

Well when it comes to the universities in the states their huge sucess is in no small part because they have always been able to catch the brilliant students of the world. If only a fraction of those stay and do research it benifits the universities greatly.

Those chinese students you mention are probably what every university wants, because one of those is worth 10 lazy western students
If one in ten stays its a win win situation.

But even if you consider it a problem I dont se how you can easily solve it?

[Prada]

Well when it comes to the universities in the states their huge sucess is in no small part because they have always been able to catch the brilliant students of the world. If only a fraction of those stay and do research it benifits the universities greatly.

Those chinese students you mention are probably what every university wants, because one of those is worth 10 lazy western students
If one in ten stays its a win win situation.

But even if you consider it a problem I dont se how you can easily solve it?

Perhaps privatization or amendments to immigration laws. There is a difference between social benefits and abusing social benefits.

[Kärnfysikern]

Perhaps privatization or amendments to immigration laws. There is a difference between social benefits and abusing social benefits.

But in this case the benifits might very well be larger than the drawbacks. A constant influx of foreign talent surely do benifit a university even if just a fraction of them stay. The main problem is to get a larger fraction of them to stay rather than to restrict who can come. When it comes to science and engineering students most western countries are lacking and some educations has to be canceled, if the trend isnt turned around the west will fall behind scientificaly. Foreign students can possibly make up that loss.

[goose]

When I complete my degree, one of the FIRST THINGS iL be looking at is moving abroad.

Everything in that report is true, buying real estate here is an absolute joke now, we didn't HAVE a summer last year, England on a whole is expensive to live in and the rising youth/chav/yob culture is way out of control.

So true,I come from the south/london.one bedroom flats are 200000£,very small too

[Flagg]

So true,I come from the south/london.one bedroom flats are 200000£,very small too

A 1 bedroom flat for 200 K is a pisstake, when you consider a friend of mine bought a 4 bedroom house in Oz for $£350,000

[Hoggage_54]

The brain drain from Canada to the US is at it's lowest numbers in 30 years.

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/na...8c&k=22836&p=2

"In 2006, 49.5 per cent of American immigrants had a bachelor's degree or better, up from 46 per cent in 2000."

[MuscleScience]

+1 for capitalism

[goose]

A 1 bedroom flat for 200 K is a pisstake, when you consider a friend of mine bought a 4 bedroom house in Oz for $£350,000

Its like to get a flat on your own,you got to be on 50000 plus per year,then your a slave for 25 years.Great life.When your on a good wage,they take 40% tax away.im in my late 20s,most my mates dont have kids,I would love to have kids,but its going to be damm hard,like you im doing my masters at the moment.Its the poor or the very rich that have kids today in the UK.

[Odpierdol_sie!]

So true,I come from the south/london.one bedroom flats are 200000£,very small too

I saw something on the news about 2 hours ago about some dick head footballer whos looking to buy in london, said property was a joke, cant recall his name but he said: "For the price of one pent house you could buy 10 up north,"
On a £60 000 a week wage i find this very insulting. Talk about not being in touch with reality!.
I lived in Manchester for 4 years and the prices ther are pretty similar, i rented (£650pcm) a 500sq ft one bed, valued at 175k. In London you will find the same for about 250k to 350k depending on location. In Manc when i moved out I heard the sale value had dropped to 150k, yeah bargain!!!! 25k lost in 18 months, about how much I take home in wages (what a life that must be) working to pay the bank manager your 'agreement to death' (mortgage) back.

London is the only place in Britain where you can buy and not really risk losing equity. But saying that, here is one "professional" who cant get on the ladder, and is trapped by debt and a dead end job that's nothing to what its promise was (my fault for being white)...

I wish i could jack this dead end Island, I would leave tomorrow if I was able!

First chance that comes my way Im gonna buy a run down property in France and put my money in to a coutry that is actually greatfull, fcuK the fcuking, UK