obama: what a joke

[lotaquestions]

is there no level of personal responsibabilty in the US?

^^^have you been raised in a black poverty stricken neighborhood? if so than ill shut up but otherwise you cant tell me how it is trying to overcome those obstacles bro

no but i was raised in poverty, and i didnt have the black wild card to play. i was just a poor white boy who had to work for everything i have gotten. but instead of waiting on someone to feel sorry for me and wipe my nose for me i took responsibality for my self (key word: responsibality). so do i know what it is like to be black...no do i know what it is like to be raised in poverty.....yes

[STEROIDMD]

im sorry if i dont feel any remorse for people who had three days to get out of a town and stayed so that they could rob and loot or are just to stupid to understand what a warning is. when i look on my tv and see a guy running from a store with a plasma tv while the streets are filled with water, im not going to feel sorry for the man if he drowns, sorry. accept responsibality for yourself, b/c in the end that is the only thing that you can control.

Nice one dude! 100% agree.

[STEROIDMD]

You can't say definatively that I'm wrong because from its inception the document was open to interpretation. The best example was the 'All men are created equal' part. The founding fathers initial interpretation was all white land holding men. And the fact that they weren't the only ones to 'interpret' the document proves I am not wrong. But trying to debate you on this is like trying to debate a fundamentalist christian about the bible and whether or not its open to interpretation. I assume you would be classified as a constitutional fundamentalist correct?

In reference to the border patrol agents in Iraq, where did you get that info. I'm not disputing your claim its just that is information I've never heard. And how would those agents be able to assist the Iraqis with military strategy (since Iraq borders are threatened by military force and not people wanting to come for jobs)? Isn't that best suited for our military (green berets)?

The founding fathers were pretty thorough. Don't you think if they meant for it to be open for interpretation they would have put that in there somewhere? You really think they would just not say anything and leave it so ambiguous? Doesn't make much sense to me...maybe I'm just not enlightened or progressive enough...

[BgMc31]

He's guilty of racism by his close association with a racist. That pastor is/was part of his campaign. He's his personal friend and pastor of twenty years, the guy baptised his kids, and married him and his wife. He's trying to claim he'd knows nothing of his racist, kill whitey rhetoric? Give me a F**KIN brake!!! Imagine that was a white republican associated with that kind of racism...he'd be run right out of the senate and politics for life. Gotta love the double standard here...

Just like I posted to Zartan, where did Rev. Wright say anything about kill whitey? Where did he say anything racists. He simply used firery rhetoric to speak the historical ills of white america. You all seem to have selectively hearing. Watch his videos again and give me a racists quote.

Like I posted before, every republican that has been in congress and every republican candidate since 1960 has sought the endorsement of the late Strom Thurman who was a devout racists and segregationist, including McCain who attended his funeral and spoke highly of the man. Can we assume that every white republican politician is a racist because of their association with Thurman.

Your rant is extremely misguided so gives us a f*uckin break.

[zartan]

Just like I posted to Zartan, where did Rev. Wright say anything about kill whitey? Where did he say anything racists. He simply used firery rhetoric to speak the historical ills of white america. You all seem to have selectively hearing. Watch his videos again and give me a racists quote.

Like I posted before, every republican that has been in congress and every republican candidate since 1960 has sought the endorsement of the late Strom Thurman who was a devout racists and segregationist, including McCain who attended his funeral and spoke highly of the man. Can we assume that every white republican politician is a racist because of their association with Thurman.

Your rant is extremely misguided so gives us a f*uckin break.

The church gave louis farrakhan a lifetime achievement award! Haha, Come on dude, even obama is trying to disown the shit Rev Wright said. Get your head out of the sand. You don't have to say 'kill whitey' or 'the black race is betta' to be a racist.

[Tock]

this guy donated less than 1% of his million+ earnings this past year, not really democratic huh?

Um, and how do you know this? Is there a weblink to some source that knows about such things?

i bet that he wont be as stingy with my money.

Republicans have owned the Presidency, the Senate, and the Congress from 2000 to 2006. What did they do for us peons, other than start a war (for no good reason) and ensure steady business for defense companies and keep the oil companies rolling in record profits?

The gov't is bailing out multi-billion $$ banking companies, mortgage companies, and big companies get major tax write-offs and subsidies when they start up. But when I opened up my storefront business, I didn't qualify for anything -- not one red cent.

Looks to me that the big guys are well-taken care of. The little guys, independant shop owners, well, we don't get anything other than tax bills.

that is only around $10000! i made around 90k and i gave my church . . . close to that.

Today's Bible Lesson:

Matthew Chapter 6, verses 1 - 4:

"1": Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

"2": Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

"3": But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

"4": That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

not only is he a racist he is a hypocrite.

Tsk tsk tsk.
You've announced your wonderful inclination to charity for all to see and hear; you have already received your reward.

No need for further comment . . .

[BgMc31]

Michelle is doing tons of campaigning, I think its abundantly clear this is one of those 2 for 1 deals. Also there is the whole guilty by association rule, as with Obama and his church that gave lewis pharakon a lifetime achievement award. You think if Mccain's church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award it would be business as usual?

Why don't you google McCain's spritiual guide, Rod Parsons (I believe that's his name), who calls for mass murder of Palistenians and the complete irradication of Islam. Not to mention the total annihilation of homosexuals. Google him and then shoot of your mouth!

[zartan]

Not shootin off my mouth, I already pointed out I would vote for Obama over McCain. I'm just not like you who chooses to see Obama as some kind of golden boy who can do no wrong.

btw his name is rod parsley

[BgMc31]

The church gave louis farrakhan a lifetime achievement award! Haha, Come on dude, even obama is trying to disown the shit Rev Wright said. Get your head out of the sand. You don't have to say 'kill whitey' or 'the black race is betta' to be a racist.

lame dude, very lame. I don't assume someone is racists to justify my beleifs, I need proof. Where's the proof of Wright being racists? You assume Wright is racists because Rush and Hannity tell you so. Learn to think for yourself.

Lotaquestions, if you don't believe that white priveledge exist then there is no reason to discuss anything further. Your comment indicates that blacks use the race card everytime things don't go our way. That is simply not true. Unfortunately most of us blacks who are successful (and I'm sure Carlos can back me up on this) are successful in spite of our skin color not because of it. The same can't be said for many whites. If you ever decide to do some research on any successful black person I guarantee all of them have one thing in common, they all have overcome racism at some point in their life. Again, can't be said of most whites.

[zartan]

lame dude, very lame. I don't assume someone is racists to justify my beleifs, I need proof. Where's the proof of Wright being racists? You assume Wright is racists because Rush and Hannity tell you so. Learn to think for yourself.

Dunno who the hell Hannity is, last thing I heard about Rush was his prescription drug addiction. maybe you should stop insulting and stick to topics, then you will have proven yourself as a thinker.
Not sure what you missed here, must be that selective hearing you got going on.

heres a good hateful one:
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/5-...otes/938732101

yeah Rev Wright is real sweet. Haha keep it up man.

[BgMc31]

I saw the video just as many times as everyone else. I asked you to post what he said that was racists. I know what he said was inflammatory and harsh, but racists? Hardly!

[Act of God]

He simply used firery rhetoric to speak the historical ills of white america.

White America? What did any of us, or our ancesters (being that the majority of Americans are descendants of immigrants who arrived after slavery) have to do with it? Now you just want to lump all white people together...which is fine with me because if we're lumping groups together I know which one will win in the "who sucks" contest.

[Act of God]

Um, and how do you know this? Is there a weblink to some source that knows about such things?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...IcI&refer=home

[BgMc31]

White America? What did any of us, or our ancesters (being that the majority of Americans are descendants of immigrants who arrived after slavery) have to do with it? Now you just want to lump all white people together...which is fine with me because if we're lumping groups together I know which one will win in the "who sucks" contest.

and who might that be pre-tell?

......hhhmmmm showing your true colors!!!!!

And where did I lump all white people together? I simply stated what Rev. Wright was referring to.

[Act of God]

and who might that be pre-tell?

......hhhmmmm showing your true colors!!!!!

And where did I lump all white people together? I simply stated what Rev. Wright was referring to.

THE ILLS OF WHITE AMERICA!!!!!!!


Look out, you're judging people by skin color!! If you don't vote Obama you are waisis!!!

lol

[BgMc31]

THE ILLS OF WHITE AMERICA!!!!!!!


Look out, you're judging people by skin color!! If you don't vote Obama you are waisis!!!

lol

WTF are you talking about? I said Rev. Wright was speaking about the ills of white america (his speech, his perception). And when did anyone say that not voting for Obama makes them a racists. Are you not following the thread? This whole thing got started by people claiming Obama, his wife, and his pastor were racists. You need some serious help dude! And where did anyone claim any race/ethnicity/or culture sucked? Seriously dude, if can't debate intelligently and stoop to these childish antics, you know you do have the option of ignoring my posts!

[Act of God]

WTF are you talking about? I said Rev. Wright was speaking about the ills of white america (his speech, his perception). And when did anyone say that not voting for Obama makes them a racists. Are you not following the thread? This whole thing got started by people claiming Obama, his wife, and his pastor were racists. You need some serious help dude! And where did anyone claim any race/ethnicity/or culture sucked? Seriously dude, if can't debate intelligently and stoop to these childish antics, you know you do have the option of ignoring my posts!

I was actually just playing in that last post, but I definitely get a vibe from some people that if you aren't voting for Obama it is BECAUSE he is black. This conversation is going on in like 5 forums I participate in, and it is the same thing going on everywhere.

I also take issue with talking about "White America". White America didn't do anything to black people. Certain white PEOPLE did, just like certain black people jumped me in a bar in 2001. I'm not going to say that "Black America" jumped me, because it would be inaccurate. As I said before, the VAST majority of white people in this country were not here when "White America" did those things.

This is why it is not healthy to dwell on the past and seek vengeance against a group of people. You don't want to be generalized, neither do we.

[Carlos_E]

I was actually just playing in that last post, but I definitely get a vibe from some people that if you aren't voting for Obama it is BECAUSE he is black. This conversation is going on in like 5 forums I participate in, and it is the same thing going on everywhere.

I also take issue with talking about "White America". White America didn't do anything to black people. Certain white PEOPLE did, just like certain black people jumped me in a bar in 2001. I'm not going to say that "Black America" jumped me, because it would be inaccurate. As I said before, the VAST majority of white people in this country were not here when "White America" did those things.

This is why it is not healthy to dwell on the past and seek vengeance against a group of people. You don't want to be generalized, neither do we.

It did not take 5 White people to institute and enforce segregation. It took a very large number. That is the White America Rev Wright was referring to.

[Act of God]

It did not take 5 White people to institute and enforce segregation. It took a very large number. That is the White America Rev Wright was referring to.

Still wasn't me or anyone related to me. You think he sees a difference when I'm walking down the street? I'm expected to, and able, to see a difference. Why can't he?

[lotaquestions]

Lotaquestions, if you don't believe that white priveledge exist then there is no reason to discuss anything further. Your comment indicates that blacks use the race card everytime things don't go our way. That is simply not true. Unfortunately most of us blacks who are successful (and I'm sure Carlos can back me up on this) are successful in spite of our skin color not because of it. The same can't be said for many whites. If you ever decide to do some research on any successful black person I guarantee all of them have one thing in common, they all have overcome racism at some point in their life. Again, can't be said of most whites.

let me tell you about over comeing something, my adopted brother, who has never had a pot to piss in and wasnt born a genius by no means, worked his tail off in high school so that he could get a scholarship to get into college. he graduated with a 3.5 and an above avg. sat score. there were only a few scholarships given out at my school, and even thought a he had better grades, a way higher sat score, and a member of almost every club, the scholarship went to the black kid on the sole reason of his skin color (the kid ended up in jail for selling drugs). yeah we dont have to over come anything, get real dude. come down off of your black horse and join us in the real world,

[lotaquestions]

tock good point i shouldnt have been posted my earning/offerings, your right i didnt think much about it since nobody on here knows me or my church, but point noted.

[lotaquestions]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...IcI&refer=home

thanks for the link i wish i had it earlier

[Carlos_E]

thanks for the link i wish i had it earlier

And he donated 6% after that. I posted the numbers on a previous page. Bloomberg.com left that part out. I wonder why.

It's in his tax returns. Go look at the returns, not bloomberg.

[lotaquestions]

And he donated 6% after that. I posted the numbers on a previous page. Bloomberg.com left that part out. I wonder why.

It's in his tax returns. Go look at the returns, not bloomberg.

people tend to straiten up when they start to run for office

[Act of God]

And he donated 6% after that. I posted the numbers on a previous page. Bloomberg.com left that part out. I wonder why.

It's in his tax returns. Go look at the returns, not bloomberg.

Why would he(they) leave that part out? Seems to me that Obama made a clear 180 as soon as he got presidential aspirations. Considering what he is all about, you'd expect him to be a shining example of giving throughout his life.

[Carlos_E]

His donations percentage went up BEFORE he started running for president.

[Act of God]

His donations percentage went up BEFORE he started running for president.

Hence why I said "presidential aspirations". Reading is FUNdamental

[Carlos_E]

Hence why I said "presidential aspirations". Reading is FUNdamental

Have you read his books? He had no intentions of running for president when he gave 6%. So no, he did not have presidential aspirations. Since you're fond of reading you should pick up a copy.

[BgMc31]

let me tell you about over comeing something, my adopted brother, who has never had a pot to piss in and wasnt born a genius by no means, worked his tail off in high school so that he could get a scholarship to get into college. he graduated with a 3.5 and an above avg. sat score. there were only a few scholarships given out at my school, and even thought a he had better grades, a way higher sat score, and a member of almost every club, the scholarship went to the black kid on the sole reason of his skin color (the kid ended up in jail for selling drugs). yeah we dont have to over come anything, get real dude. come down off of your black horse and join us in the real world,

Are you serious with that crap. That response it ridiculous and sounds made-up. It fits every bullshit stereotype. Plus its obvious you have no idea how affirmative action and scholarships work and anybody can give an example of a white 'individual' overcoming shortcomings. You are missing the point of a systematic oppression of an entire race over a period of almost 400yrs. So until you realize the history of your 'real' world, your will always have your head in the sand. Get a clue dude, really!

[Act of God]

Have you read his books? He had no intentions of running for president when he gave 6%. So no, he did not have presidential aspirations. Since you're fond of reading you should pick up a copy.

I'm too busy reading Coulter and I'm not a fan of writers who titled their books after the ramblings of racist preachers.

[Carlos_E]

I'm too busy reading Coulter and I'm not a fan of writers who titled their books after the ramblings of racist preachers.

So predictable.

You should try Dreams from My Father, the other book.

[SMCengineer]

You are missing the point of a systematic oppression of an entire race over a period of almost 400yrs.

Could you give me an example of this? I'm referring to has it's affected you and I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm genuinely curious.

[Carlos_E]

Could you give me an example of this? I'm referring to has it's affected you and I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm genuinely curious.

Are you referring to racism?

[BITTAPART2]

Um, and how do you know this? Is there a weblink to some source that knows about such things?







Republicans have owned the Presidency, the Senate, and the Congress from 2000 to 2006. What did they do for us peons, other than start a war (for no good reason) and ensure steady business for defense companies and keep the oil companies rolling in record profits?

The gov't is bailing out multi-billion $$ banking companies, mortgage companies, and big companies get major tax write-offs and subsidies when they start up. But when I opened up my storefront business, I didn't qualify for anything -- not one red cent.

Looks to me that the big guys are well-taken care of. The little guys, independant shop owners, well, we don't get anything other than tax bills.









Today's Bible Lesson:

Matthew Chapter 6, verses 1 - 4:

"1": Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

"2": Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

"3": But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:

"4": That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.



Tsk tsk tsk.
You've announced your wonderful inclination to charity for all to see and hear; you have already received your reward.

No need for further comment . . .

Tock, very good post

[BgMc31]

Could you give me an example of this? I'm referring to has it's affected you and I'm not trying to be insulting, I'm genuinely curious.

what exactly do you want an example of? Do you wish for me to list examples of racism I've experienced?

[Act of God]

So predictable.

You should try Dreams from My Father, the other book.

Apparently his father's dream was to ditch his child and move far, far away

[SMCengineer]

what exactly do you want an example of? Do you wish for me to list examples of racism I've experienced?

I'm referring to the systematic oppresion that you mentioned. In other words, how rascism or white america have held you down. I'm just trying to see what you mean by oppression.

[zartan]

mr Wright and his kind are 40 years outdated, preaching about how we had it coming 5 days after 9/11 happened. What a hateful bastard, and you Obama defenders can say what you will/bury your head in the sand, but Obama had this hate monger act has his preacher for 20 years even marrying him, and that speaks volumes, whether you want to admit it or not. And I don't even care if you or anyone else wants to take this 'look after my own' attitude, if some average joe wants to cop it thats fine, but I do think its small minded bullshit and certainly if you've been part of that you shouldn't be in line for a presidency.

[gstatefaith]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

[zartan]

Conservatives had 8 years in the White House and destroyed our reputation and economy. It's the Democrats turn. Stop B!tching. You guys failed. OBAMA will turn this ship around.

Read the thread instead of posting mindless garbage.