Obama is an idiot...

**Panzerfaust** · 09-02-2008, 04:42 PM

Listent to this ****ing scumbag and get a laugh at all the ****ing sheep who are there. haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbZJYWjkAPo

He talks about morals and abortion in the same sentence, obviously he did not say anything directly but what else do you get out of "I don't want them punished with a child"...

**BgMc31** · 09-02-2008, 04:56 PM

I get the fact that the possibilty of finishing high school or much less college is less likely with a child (although we know its been done). There are many other negative factors that come along with teen pregnantcies.

I guess calling someone who graduated from both Columbia and Harvard an idiot makes you feel better. Just because he doesn't agree with your way of thinking (no matter how backwards), that doesn't give cause to childish name calling.

I have a 17yr old daughter who will be attending Stanford next fall and a baby right now would not allow that to happen. To me that is punishment for a stupid mistake. I don't know how I'd react if that happened but I would give her the choice (because its HER body) and as a father, I would support any decision she makes! But I will reiterate, a baby equals no Stanford.

Idiotic? I think not!

**DSM4Life** · 09-02-2008, 05:06 PM

He has my vote.

I don't want to waste my vote on mccain since he's going to die in a few weeks. Well least he looks that way.

**Dizz28** · 09-02-2008, 06:36 PM

oh you're reading too much into that. Give it a rest

John Bush-Mccain has said much worse, more insulting things in the past few months

**j4ever41** · 09-02-2008, 09:17 PM

Mccain probably gone out live all of you.

**MuscleScience** · 09-02-2008, 09:44 PM

Sarah Padin or whatever her name is=Milf=my vote......lol

**Panzerfaust** · 09-02-2008, 09:50 PM

McCain is a ****ing cocksucker too..alaways claiming POW POW...was a *****

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KjsEs46C70

**j4ever41** · 09-02-2008, 09:58 PM

Ron Paul now there is someone that will probably kill over any day now.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 09-02-2008, 11:10 PM

Don't steal, the government hates competition.

**Pooks** · 09-03-2008, 02:19 PM

BGMC31 is kind of like an pro-democratic away message, that pops up no matter what you say..

It's kind of funny..

I guess Democratic point of view is, abortion is ok. Its kind of like this viewpoint from a non-human non-emotional standpoint, where a baby is just another number, and its ok, cause all you have to do is get pregnant again when you are ready...

and... on the flip side.. the republican viewpoint is more emotionally attached to human life... where yes a baby can come at unexpected times, but when it does, life goes on...

Not sure I buy this COLLEGE EDUCATION IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE with a baby argument..

A good family will have other mothers on hand,, mothers and grandparents to take care of a baby.. its a social network.. and they tend to join up with other mothers they make it all work very easily..

BUT..
I think that we came to a point in time where we also should evaluate the worth of a college education... and also some of the scams involved in it.

We all know we can get financial aid, and student loans when we need to..
These students loans some are subsidized and others are not...

Here is my big issues, with these banks...
From personal experience, they keep you in the dark on how much money you owe at any given time..

I never get like a monthly statement, that tells me exactly how much I owe, how much is subisidized, and how much is unsubsidized and how much interest grew on it..

This goes for the vast majority of other students, they are kept in complete dark..

and on top of that.. colleges work like corporations now, and will want to sell you more and more classes, and push on you more on more degrees or certificates you can get.. all this costs money... and they work closely with these banks.

In the end you get a bigger bill for college than probably anyone expected..

I strongly feel that college education just like any other market, going through cycles... recessionary cycles and booming cycles.

I feel that the last 10-15 years has been BOOM years for college, and that the prices of a degree have skyrocketed to such levels that people need to seriously question whether a 4 year degree or a masters degree at top colleges especially if the degree might be on some off the wall subject are even worth it anymore. These costs have been fueled by easy college credit, and greed in the education industry. These colleges and other schools have already spent all this money on various projects I'm sure... and when the time comes they'll be hurting and probably begging the govt to bail them out too... They're corrupt institutions, and no one should feel sorry for them, when the time comes when they cant make ends meet. Some are already complaining they can't keep sporting teams going .. like University of Arizona cutting their Wrestling team... only to be bailed out by some ex-wrestelers there and some rich donors...
Panhandling school... They'll beg for from the public gov't also before you know it. They know the public is dumb, and they know what notes to hit to make the public emotional and feel obligated to give them money.. It is a sick entitlement these places feel they have, they think it is ok to be irresponsible and rip-off their students, cause if they run into real trouble all they have to do is "panhandle" for money.

**dumbdumb** · 09-03-2008, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx;4169***

Don't steal, the government hates competition.

Good one, ILMAO

**Voice of Reason** · 09-03-2008, 03:00 PM

Dang, you kiss your mother with that mouth Murilo... LOL

**BgMc31** · 09-03-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pooks

BGMC31 is kind of like an pro-democratic away message, that pops up no matter what you say..

It's kind of funny..

I guess Democratic point of view is, abortion is ok. Its kind of like this viewpoint from a non-human non-emotional standpoint, where a baby is just another number, and its ok, cause all you have to do is get pregnant again when you are ready...

and... on the flip side.. the republican viewpoint is more emotionally attached to human life... where yes a baby can come at unexpected times, but when it does, life goes on...

Not sure I buy this COLLEGE EDUCATION IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE with a baby argument..

A good family will have other mothers on hand,, mothers and grandparents to take care of a baby.. its a social network.. and they tend to join up with other mothers they make it all work very easily..

BUT..
I think that we came to a point in time where we also should evaluate the worth of a college education... and also some of the scams involved in it.

We all know we can get financial aid, and student loans when we need to..
These students loans some are subsidized and others are not...

Here is my big issues, with these banks...
From personal experience, they keep you in the dark on how much money you owe at any given time..

I never get like a monthly statement, that tells me exactly how much I owe, how much is subisidized, and how much is unsubsidized and how much interest grew on it..

This goes for the vast majority of other students, they are kept in complete dark..

and on top of that.. colleges work like corporations now, and will want to sell you more and more classes, and push on you more on more degrees or certificates you can get.. all this costs money... and they work closely with these banks.

In the end you get a bigger bill for college than probably anyone expected..

I strongly feel that college education just like any other market, going through cycles... recessionary cycles and booming cycles.

I feel that the last 10-15 years has been BOOM years for college, and that the prices of a degree have skyrocketed to such levels that people need to seriously question whether a 4 year degree or a masters degree at top colleges especially if the degree might be on some off the wall subject are even worth it anymore. These costs have been fueled by easy college credit, and greed in the education industry. These colleges and other schools have already spent all this money on various projects I'm sure... and when the time comes they'll be hurting and probably begging the govt to bail them out too... They're corrupt institutions, and no one should feel sorry for them, when the time comes when they cant make ends meet. Some are already complaining they can't keep sporting teams going .. like University of Arizona cutting their Wrestling team... only to be bailed out by some ex-wrestelers there and some rich donors...
Panhandling school... They'll beg for from the public gov't also before you know it. They know the public is dumb, and they know what notes to hit to make the public emotional and feel obligated to give them money.. It is a sick entitlement these places feel they have, they think it is ok to be irresponsible and rip-off their students, cause if they run into real trouble all they have to do is "panhandle" for money.

1st of all democrats don't think abortion is ok. We support a woman's right to choose. There's a huge difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice.

2nd, go back and re-read what a wrote and point out where I said college was impossible with a baby. Hell, I did it. My aforementioned daughter was born during my senior yr in high school and both my wife (her mother) and myself managed to graduate from both high school and college. My wife graduated in 3yrs and I got my 1st degree in 3.5yrs. We did all this while I was playing football and another child born my senior yr. What I said above was there will be 'NO STANFORD'! And to this I can also relate. I was a blue chip all american coming out of high school but could not attend the college I wanted (Penn State) because of my daughter. I had to accept a scholarship from a school much closer to home.

Please re-read before making assumptions!

**Panzerfaust** · 09-03-2008, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Dizz28

oh you're reading too much into that. Give it a rest

John Bush-Mccain has said much worse, more insulting things in the past few months

They aren't expempt either pal, they are a bunch of cockroach cocksucking mother****ers too.

**j4ever41** · 09-03-2008, 05:44 PM

someone give up date does ron paul still have a heartbeat at this time?

**39+1** · 09-03-2008, 05:46 PM

vote for the best looking its a sure thing

**SMCengineer** · 09-03-2008, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

1st of all democrats don't think abortion is ok. We support a woman's right to choose. There's a huge difference between pro-abortion and pro-choice.

BgMC, keep this in mind as I you read this, I'm a supporter of abortion in dire circumstances and I'm against federal laws prohibiting it. Also, I'm in no way religious (I just about abhor religious institutions). The opposite of pro-life is not pro-choice and vice-versa. These two "Politically correct" euphemisms need to be dropped because they lead to a deceptive arguement. No sane person is against the right to choose just as no sane person is against the right to life. The issue is either for or against abortion, nothing inbetween and there can be no substitutes to make it sound less offensive. The fact that life begins at conception is scientifically proven, not a religious belief. Therefore, the arguement that a woman is denied the "right to choose" is void because it's not just her body anymore. You cannot "choose" to kill another person just as you cannot "choose" to kill a fetus. Again, I generally agree with you here, but your arguement is insufficient at best.

**Dizz28** · 09-03-2008, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by muriloninja

They aren't expempt either pal, they are a bunch of cockroach cocksucking mother****ers too.

So this goes back to the 2004 election.... You have two steaming piles of horse crap.... You vote for the one that stinks the least....

**Voice of Reason** · 09-03-2008, 10:35 PM

Or social movement...We don't have to except this bullshit this is OUR country not theirs.

**BgMc31** · 09-03-2008, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Blome

BgMC, keep this in mind as I you read this, I'm a supporter of abortion in dire circumstances and I'm against federal laws prohibiting it. Also, I'm in no way religious (I just about abhor religious institutions). The opposite of pro-life is not pro-choice and vice-versa. These two "Politically correct" euphemisms need to be dropped because they lead to a deceptive arguement. No sane person is against the right to choose just as no sane person is against the right to life. The issue is either for or against abortion, nothing inbetween and there can be no substitutes to make it sound less offensive. The fact that life begins at conception is scientifically proven, not a religious belief. Therefore, the arguement that a woman is denied the "right to choose" is void because it's not just her body anymore. You cannot "choose" to kill another person just as you cannot "choose" to kill a fetus. Again, I generally agree with you here, but your arguement is insufficient at best.

Your argument, too, is flawed Blome. There is a world of difference between a zygote, embryo, fetus, and new born. Some scientists would argue that life begins at viability. Neither a zygote, nor an embryo are viable (ie can survive outside the womb).

This is an argument not worth arguing as you will produce evidence for your argument and I can do the same to support mine.

We are, as usal, somewhat in agreement on this subject, but your definition of these 'politically correct, terms, IMO, are also suspect...at best.

**MuscleScience** · 09-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by BgMc31

Your argument, too, is flawed Blome. There is a world of difference between a zygote, embryo, fetus, and new born. Some scientists would argue that life begins at viability. Neither a zygote, nor an embryo are viable (ie can survive outside the womb)
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These are true statements, when I was taught and when I taught sexual reproduction in undergraduate class. My teachers were very careful when talking about the exact moment of life. When I would talk about reproduction and the events leading up to it, I was very careful not to use the phrase moment of life.

There are scientist that who are very religious that feel that the developing embryo is really a parasite. And by almost every literal definition of the word it is. There are some who fell that human life doesnt begin until a certain stage in embryonic development. At certain stages in development the same exact genes that are active in a human embryo are also active in say a cow or a chimp. The reproductive process has genes that are very highly conserved throughout the animal kingdom. No were have I read where science has defined as consensus the exact moment when life occurs. Many scientist who are religious or not, feel that it is more of a political concern not a scientific one for a multitude of reasons.