Why did Islam's Prophet, Muhammad, have sex with children?

**Matt** · 01-30-2009, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

only in the usa is sex with children really looked down upon..

most people would be surprised to learn that most of the "world" is going younger and younger.. and not just in regards to youth on youth.. but the change is being forced, or put forth by men on child

In some countries as young as 13 yrs old..

I'd link ya, but it's not too hard to find..

So allow others their differences, by today's standards he was a pedo, in his culture he was not, we don't have to like it, but it was what it was..

Sorry but the same can be said for the UK...

**goose** · 01-30-2009, 01:37 PM

Now this is a great read from the independent yesterday....

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1517789.html

**BuffedGuy** · 01-30-2009, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by goose

Now this is a great read from the independent yesterday....

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion...s-1517789.html

Peace be unto you, Goose.

Shaykh Hamza Yusuf said it best:

I think one of the things for the West, particularly Western Europe and probably less so in the United States, is that it's very, very difficult for people to realize now that religious identity in the Muslim world is far more important than racial identity.

Racial denigration is not tolerated in the West. It's considered completely unacceptable and it's condemned. That doesn't mean that the extreme right don't have rights, they do. The ACLU in America defends the right of Nazis to congregate and they spew out their racist diatribes, but nobody will defend it, you know, the right to insult, the right to gratuitously attack peoples of race and color.

On the other hand, religion is just fair game. I think what we need to do globally is conflate race and religion because at the core of race is identity, and at the core of a true religious experience is identity. I am identified as a believer first and foremost. If you denigrate my religion, you are doing something far more grievous to me than attacking my race, and that's where the response to the cartoons came from.

I think if you conflate race with religious identity, you might start to understand the issue a bit more. For example, if you insult my race (I'm Pakistani/Indian), I could care less. But if you insulted my Muslim identity, I would be viscerally offended, just like a black guy would be offended if you insulted the black race.

You strongly believe that religions are oppressive. Fine, let's say that they are. But do you know that only a fraction of Muslims, Christians, or Jews are religious to begin with? Only 40% of Muslims go to the mandatory weekly "mass". As for how many pray five times a day, it would be even less. The average Muslim on the street knows very little about his religion. All these things that people dig up about Islam that they think are so horrible, the average Muslim doesn't believe or even know about them.

The point is that even if you establish that Islam at its core is a violent and oppressive religion (which of course would be an assessment I'd disagree with), the majority of Muslims do not follow that interpretation. The vast majority of Muslims are just ethnically Muslim; it's like you have ethnic Jews, you have ethnic Muslims. They were born into Islam, and it is part and parcel of their identity.

My point is that just as nobody tolerates racism against blacks, we shouldn't tolerate hate-mongering against religions. I'm not talking about legally; I am talking about socially. Just like we ostracize those who are racist against blacks, we should ostracize those who show bigotry towards a particular religious group.

See, the problem is that most people in the West identify themselves with their race. A black guy is black first. Therefore, an attack on the black race is construed by him as an attack against his very being, and hence simply not tolerated. On the other hand, I identify first and foremost as a Muslim. My ethnic identity means next to nothing to me. So just as you are sensitive towards race, you should be sensitive towards religious identity.

This is of course only if you want mutual peace, respect, and reconciliation. If you simply want to demand your rights and be insensitive, then sure nobody can stop you...The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the world is theist, and it is simply unrealistic to think that tomorrow people will suddenly wake up and say "hey, I'm abandoning religion." It's just not going to happen; so if it is not going to happen, then we should learn to live in mutual cooperation, respect, and peace.

I close with one last point: I read somewhere something very profound. A guy said "there is no such thing as a liberal or fundamentalist religions; there are only soft and hard readings of a religion." So you will see that with all religions, there are people who take hard readings, but there are also people who take soft ones. Bigots of any flavor are no good, religious or irreligious. So while we should oppose religious bigotry, we should tolerate and appreciate softer readings of religion.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

**Dinosaur** · 01-31-2009, 12:25 AM

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**BuffedGuy** · 01-31-2009, 12:39 AM

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**Dinosaur** · 01-31-2009, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by BuffedGuy

My dear beloved brother Chariff, may God reward you for your good intention. However, there are some things in your post which are not correct. I know many Muslim laypersons think that the minimum age for marriage is the start of menses (menarche, i.e. the first period). This is not true. I know many laypersons who say this, but it has no truth to it. I have addressed this topic in my book; you will find it in the second half of it, God-Willing. May God reward you for your good intention, and please forgive me if this post of mine sounded obnoxious; my intention was only to set the record straight as is our religious duty. Indeed, there are many girls who have their first period and yet are not ready for marriage; so it is not correct to say this. Again, I've addressed this extensively in the book. Like I said, the book has been edited by Mufti Husain.

Again, forgive me.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

i appreciate your compliment brother, i have no problem being corrected, iam glad you have mentioned that to me as they say, stich in time saves nine. however, i will dig in more into that and will get back to you.

**JiGGaMaN** · 01-31-2009, 03:18 AM

does this really qualify as "in the news..."??? bashing on other peoples religions is not cool man. no matter how much you think it sucks.

**goose** · 01-31-2009, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by JiGGaMaN

does this really qualify as "in the news..."??? bashing on other peoples religions is not cool man. no matter how much you think it sucks.

Yes....I think your right.A mistake I made this thread....Lets make this thread die.

**NightWolf** · 01-31-2009, 08:11 AM

Many muslims themselfs have even said that
this is true.

**amcon** · 01-31-2009, 02:29 PM

not relivant to the news : how ever i learned somethings from it... bashing maybe a little - i dont want to loose the good people like , buffed, and the other guys if it is thought that they are being singeled out from their religions (--- lack of a better term) ...

i wouldnt sweat it - as long as we as adults and friends keep it open and non attacking(not tooo attacking)

**gst528i** · 02-01-2009, 02:26 AM

Who ever said two wrongs dont make a right is what i thought of as well.
I mean yes back when mohammed lived, ****ing a 9 year old was okay. But don;t you thing a man who spoke to god knew better?
Yes christians ****ed 10 years old and jews ****ed 14 yearolds but don;t we human NOW in this DAY AND AGE know that it is wrong. DID we need GOD TO TELL US??????

better yet wouldn't god have said hey " quit getting you dick wet on a 9 year old"!!!
or quit having sex slaves!!!
I would rather go to hell before i stick my dick in a 9 year old.

**BuffedGuy** · 02-01-2009, 04:52 AM

Originally Posted by gst528i

Who ever said two wrongs dont make a right is what i thought of as well.
I mean yes back when mohammed lived, ****ing a 9 year old was okay. But don;t you thing a man who spoke to god knew better?
Yes christians ****ed 10 years old and jews ****ed 14 yearolds but don;t we human NOW in this DAY AND AGE know that it is wrong. DID we need GOD TO TELL US??????

better yet wouldn't god have said hey " quit getting you dick wet on a 9 year old"!!!
or quit having sex slaves!!!
I would rather go to hell before i stick my dick in a 9 year old.

Peace be unto you, GST.

Please read the second half of page 84 and all of page 85 in my book, which adequately address your argument.

In any case, I don't want to debate this here, just because I think then people are less likely to read the book, and without reading the book, they will not adequately appreciate the weakness in their position, especially the Jews and Christians, to whom the book is addressed to. Hence, if you would like to discuss the issue further with me, you can PM me. Otherwise, I think I'm going to ignore this thread from now on (just because I want people to read the book instead of sufficing themselves with a synopsis of it...since the strength of my arguments is grounded in the heavy sourcing and countless examples given in the book, which cannot be replaced with a one or two liner, which could not do justice to our side of the story).

But yeah, do read page 84 and 85 to deal with your particular concern, God-Willing.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

**gst528i** · 02-01-2009, 01:30 PM

Thanks will do that now. I read the book, a while back when u posted it but i think i only got to half of it.
I did find alot of it was actions that were excused since the christians did it or jews did worse. I am neither so i couldn;t understand why it is okay to do it if other did it.
But let me go read