Texas Secede?

[sloth9]

Basically Gov. Perry has refused the bailouts, from these liberals in Washington, any way Obama keeps trying to push it down our throats. Perry has said if this keeps happening then the Texas citizens may push the matter, now am I for this, hey we could make it, and if it did happen alot more people would come to Texas too. But will it happen I am doubtful, it has been talked about but it always goes away. I think it is more a threat, letting Obama and his cronies know that if you keep shoving this down our throats when we dont want it we can and will stand up against it, also if Obama and his lickhead liberals say well Texas screw off if you wont take this, we are going to withdraw federal funding too. So all in all if they remove federal funds from Texas, why would we need to be a part of the U.S. also we have the biggest military base in the world set in Killeen, of course no more federal military, but we would have the Texas National guard, and I would also re-up to help them out. Well anyway just check out the link and I would love to hear your takes on this too. I also want you to know we have lots of room here in Texas and our economy is still poppin. I am down for whatever, secession or staying in the U.S. as long as Obama settles down and quits trying to kill Capitalism I will be happy.


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/r...16/203756.html

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Im ready to grab my guns and go at it!

[BgMc31]

I guess you neglected to post that the Gov. of Texas wasn't implying that Texas wanted to sucede. He wanted to bring attention that some weren't happy with the current economic crisis. He wasn't advocating sucession.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnew...xas-going.html

Look at the end of the article.

[youngerlion]

Basically Gov. Perry has refused the bailouts, from these liberals in Washington, any way Obama keeps trying to push it down our throats. Perry has said if this keeps happening then the Texas citizens may push the matter, now am I for this, hey we could make it, and if it did happen alot more people would come to Texas too. But will it happen I am doubtful, it has been talked about but it always goes away. I think it is more a threat, letting Obama and his cronies know that if you keep shoving this down our throats when we dont want it we can and will stand up against it, also if Obama and his lickhead liberals say well Texas screw off if you wont take this, we are going to withdraw federal funding too. So all in all if they remove federal funds from Texas, why would we need to be a part of the U.S. also we have the biggest military base in the world set in Killeen, of course no more federal military, but we would have the Texas National guard, and I would also re-up to help them out. Well anyway just check out the link and I would love to hear your takes on this too. I also want you to know we have lots of room here in Texas and our economy is still poppin. I am down for whatever, secession or staying in the U.S. as long as Obama settles down and quits trying to kill Capitalism I will be happy.


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/r...16/203756.html

your an ignorant redneck.

[youngerlion]

Im ready to grab my guns and go at it!

and your dumber
Texas has no right to secede. you uneducated big belt buckle wearing bastards are protesting what exactly... I dont even think you know. we dont even have a "perfect capitalist" society but we try. Socialism has always existed in some form. I love AMERICA. I live in Texas and i think bastards like you need to use the social programs available. maybe you would use these oppurtunities to get some form of formal education. (and NO your Nra handbook doesnt count.)

[BgMc31]

^^^whoa whoa whoa, take it easy, no need to resort to name calling. You can express your disappointment in the above posts without going there. It actually makes your arguments a little less effective. Take it easy, let's keep it civil.

[MuscleScience]

^^^whoa whoa whoa, take it easy, no need to resort to name calling. You can express your disappointment in the above posts without going there. It actually makes your arguments a little less effective. Take it easy, let's keep it civil.

...x2

[sloth9]

your a dumbass redneck.

Thats fine I will stay here in Texas where we can stay working and keep our houses, your the dumbass, you didnt even leave any point to go against it. BgMc31 Maybe my thorn in my side who keeps coming back and calling me out, but I appreciate him because he always has another point or has an alternate stance on the situation. No matter how un-american (lol)it is or how liberal his Ideas are I appreciate him

I guess you neglected to post that the Gov. of Texas wasn't implying that Texas wanted to sucede. He wanted to bring attention that some weren't happy with the current economic crisis. He wasn't advocating sucession.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theworldnew...xas-going.html

Look at the end of the article.

Hey now I understand its hard to read my post sometimes do to the run on sentences and the way I jump from point to point, I dont take my medicine often. You obviously didnt read it thoroughly or catch my point.

Perry has said if this keeps happening then the Texas citizens may push the matter
I think it is more a threat, letting Obama and his cronies know that if you keep shoving this down our throats when we dont want it we can and will stand up against it, also if Obama and his lickhead liberals say well Texas screw off if you wont take this, we are going to withdraw federal funding too.

Now I can live on in my life if it happens or not, I know Gov. Perry was not condoning it nor was he saying it will happen. He is just reminding Washington that it could happen, especially if they cut federal funding in reprisal to Texas not accepting the bailout money. Now I admit he is being a hard ass because he is up for re-election this next year, but he is the only Gov. in modern Texas to give the teachers a raise. I feel he will drum up alot of support this way too. But it is basically a threat to try and open Washingtons eyes so they can see we dont want more government.

I hope that was a little easier to read and understand.

[BgMc31]

Thanks for the clarification Sloth, but lets face it, when you posted this, you wanted to raise the idea that a particular state was considering sucession, but really it's not. So, once again, you were trying to add fuel to the fire without much basis.

To me threatening (and advocating) sucession is un-american. But I guess that title is only reserved for us libs, right? LOL!!!!

[youngerlion]

Secede when real liberties were stripped from us via the patriot act. Never that. its cool if he looks like me and i have my gun. Its cool as long as its not a liberal and i have a false feeling of free capitalism.

[sloth9]

Thanks for the clarification Sloth, but lets face it, when you posted this, you wanted to raise the idea that a particular state was considering sucession, but really it's not. So, once again, you were trying to add fuel to the fire without much basis.

To me threatening (and advocating) sucession is un-american. But I guess that title is only reserved for us libs, right? LOL!!!!

Lol, Yes it is to a point, what it is though, is if Washington keeps shoving things down our throats that will ruin and break the country, well we wont stand by and just watch it happen. For the most part it is un-american, but in our eyes what Obama and his people are doing is un-american. So why should we be part of a country that is not what we believe in. See in 3 1/2 years we will probably have a new President. Like I said that is a threat to let Washington know that we wont roll over. I was not saying that Texas is considering it either I did not want to make that the point of the topic, but I was throwing fuel on the fire, that is why I worded the thread title like I did. I just wanted people to know that Texas has balls and isnt going to roll over and let the liberals screw us. If I wanted to say a state was thinking about it then I would have mentioned Vermont and linked their websites too. I feel it is a totally viable option if things keep going this way.

[sloth9]

Secede when real liberties were stripped from us via the patriot act. Never that. its cool if he looks like me and i have my gun. Its cool as long as its not a liberal and i have a false feeling of free capitalism.

Well people in Texas have talked about this for a while, it never goes through, but there is a following, there is 6 or 7 websites dedicated to it, they feel it will benifit Texas because our constitution states we follow the constitution on America, and not the President or congress, now it can be said it is all how you interperit the Texas constitution. Needless to say I hate the Patriot act my self, in fact as openly outspoken as I am, I promise that Homeland security is watching me have sex with my wife and build my cars. I hate it but I am not going to let big brother scare me. I actually have a cousin who married an Indian gentleman and he is really nice and does her really well. But they are now living in the U.K. due to the stupid Patriot act, He couldnt come to America, and he isnt even Muslim. See people should have been up in Arms about the patriot act a long time ago and said screw you Bush, Just like we are doing in these Tea parties, nothing violent. See Bush is liberal and so is his daddy, but I feel for the most part Bush did try to protect us, just in the wrong way. Anyway we need to fight the patriot act too, I am guilty of it myself, but we really need to quit the blame game and the name calling and we need to work together to make America like its founding Fathers wanted it to be. Any way can you please clarify what you were meaning cause I really didnt understand the point, I think I may have rectified my stance here, but I didnt get yours except I am a dumbass redneck.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

and your dumber
Texas has no right to secede. you uneducated big belt buckle wearing bastards are protesting what exactly... I dont even think you know. we dont even have a "perfect capitalist" society but we try. Socialism has always existed in some form. I love AMERICA. I live in Texas and i think bastards like you need to use the social programs available. maybe you would use these oppurtunities to get some form of formal education. (and NO your Nra handbook doesnt count.)

lol Who is this guy?

First, I was joking. Even from Texas, it was obvious, like BgMc said, Perry wasn't advocating secession.
Uneducated? Im not the smartest guy, but Im soon to get my BS, then on my way to grad school. Sorry, but nice try.
Also, I do not wear big belt buckles. Fail again. Nor am I a cowboy.

Not sure if your just having a bad day or what, but its time to take the dick out of your ass, you prick.

[spywizard]

your an ignorant redneck.

calling someone a redne** is the same as calling someone a nigg**

they are both words that are used to harm, and or put someone down, to negate them as human beings..

[mho]

and YOU'RE dumber
Texas has no right to secede. you uneducated big belt buckle wearing bastards are protesting what exactly... I dont even think you know. we dont even have a "perfect capitalist" society but we try. Socialism has always existed in some form. I love AMERICA. I live in Texas and i think bastards like you need to use the social programs available. maybe you would use these oppurtunities to get some form of formal education. (and NO your Nra handbook doesnt count.)

In fact neither the U.S. constitution nor the Texas constitution say anything regarding secession. Neither constitution allows it nor prohibits it. The Texas constitution does say though that the people of Texas have the power to change the government as they see fit. I don't think the United States would let Texas secede quietly considering the strength and stability of Texas' economy and their abundance of natural resources. Just my opinion.

[mho]

lol Who is this guy?

First, I was joking. Even from Texas, it was obvious, like BgMc said, Perry wasn't advocating secession.
Uneducated? Im not the smartest guy, but Im soon to get my BS, then on my way to grad school. Sorry, but nice try.
Also, I do not wear big belt buckles. Fail again. Nor am I a cowboy.

Not sure if your just having a bad day or what, but its time to take the dick out of your ass, you prick.

Congrats on your upcoming degree! What is your major?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Congrats on your upcoming degree! What is your major?

Thanks. It is geology.
I want to go to CA or WI for grad school.

[Coop77]

Not going to happen. Just a governor with a big mouth getting a rally worked up. The last time states tried to secede it didn't work out too well.

[JiGGaMaN]

look what oil does to the countries that are major producers: it allows them to live detached from the economic reality of the rest of the world.

[RA]

Go read the stickies at the top of this forum. You wont be around long talking like that.

your an ignorant redneck.

[RA]

Im with Texas

[SMCengineer]

Not going to happen. Just a governor with a big mouth getting a rally worked up. The last time states tried to secede it didn't work out too well.

It worked the first time the states tried to secede.

[Coop77]

It worked the first time the states tried to secede.

Well there was that civil war thing.

[SMCengineer]

Well there was that civil war thing.

No, that was about 76 years later.

[mho]

Thanks. It is geology.
I want to go to CA or WI for grad school.

Cool, my grand dad was a geologist. He also went to school in CA too.

[RuhlFreak55]

LETS ****IN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i will go down there in a HEARTBEAT.....**** our fascist socialist government.....lets take 'em down....




and no i'm not joking at all

[tyward]

Ruhl, you are siding with a person who believes that the civil war began 76 years after the south seceeded? Well, you'll be so much smarter than everybody else they probably make you king...LOL

[tyward]

RA, I agree that namecalling is wrong. That said, likhead liberals and ignorant rednecks could very well end up canceling each other out. BTW, I was born and raised in Texas...

[SMCengineer]

Ruhl, you are siding with a person who believes that the civil war began 76 years after the south seceeded? Well, you'll be so much smarter than everybody else they probably make you king...LOL

When did I mention the Civil War? The first time the states seceded had nothing to do with the civil war. In fact, we called it the American Revolution precisely because we established the right to secede! Why do you think the founding document is called the Declaration of Independence? Secession is quintessentially American. Further, the constitution was ratified not by a nation, but by free, indepedent and sovereign staes.

[SMCengineer]

Oh, and it was 86 years before, not 76 years like I said. My math clearly sucks.

[tyward]

I don't think that I use that definition of secede, although it can be applied fairly liberally. (if I can use that term in here...) The research states that revolution is seeking independence from colonial rule (which is what we did) and that secession is separating from a political body where they already have a voice. (a difficult argument, because the US was a colony ruled by an English king.) No taxes without representation, etc. I believe that the first American secession was in 1861. Would love to hear an arguement proving me wrong though...

[sloth9]

RA, I agree that namecalling is wrong. That said, likhead liberals and ignorant rednecks could very well end up canceling each other out. BTW, I was born and raised in Texas...

Lickhead is a nice way of saying way worse, but a liberal is a liberal no matter how you say it, a red neck is offensive, although I could care less cause I have been called way worse in my life, I am very oppinionated and truthfully it takes alot more to penetrate my thick skin. I was trying to throw gas on this spark to make it a wild fire, I admit it. But I also know it wont happen, no matter how worked up I get, and how many followers jump in, Texas Seceding isnt going to happen, we have the 10th strongest Economy in the world America couldnt let us go, but also think about how bad it would actually be for us Texan's, Every country would be after us, and it would be really hard on us. I know this was just a threat, but now it will become something worse every one in texas who hates Obama and is outspoken about it will become a threat, just wait we will all be sitting in an interrogation room, with these threads printed out, and them saying so why do you hate America? Secession is Un-American( no matter how much we think it would be good), but what Obama and his crew is doing is Un-American too (no matter how much you think he is ok), So you really have the choice of the lesser of 2 evils just like a presidential election.

[tyward]

I would accept your premise if:
The Republicans had not promised smaller government and then gave us the largest, most expensive government in history.
They passed the Patriot Acts I and II, and then felt the need to spy on American citizens beyond even those very loose rules.
I grew up in the 50's, only the bad guys use torture and everybody knows it.
The Republicans helped me make millions of dollars over the past eight years, but I'm still honest enough to admit, they did not help the vast majority of Americans.
Why MUST I support the Democrats now? Because I'm a believer in smaller, limited government and the Republicans have for the past twenty plus years said they are for smaller government, but have given us bigger, more obtrusive government in every case. The best critiques of the Republican party come from party insiders themselves. Read any one of the numerous books on how the party failed to live up to their own idea of good government. Turn off that idiot Rush Limbaugh and start listening to Ron Paul...

[RuhlFreak55]

I would accept your premise if:
The Republicans had not promised smaller government and then gave us the largest, most expensive government in history.
They passed the Patriot Acts I and II, and then felt the need to spy on American citizens beyond even those very loose rules.
I grew up in the 50's, only the bad guys use torture and everybody knows it.
The Republicans helped me make millions of dollars over the past eight years, but I'm still honest enough to admit, they did not help the vast majority of Americans.
Why MUST I support the Democrats now? Because I'm a believer in smaller, limited government and the Republicans have for the past twenty plus years said they are for smaller government, but have given us bigger, more obtrusive government in every case. The best critiques of the Republican party come from party insiders themselves. Read any one of the numerous books on how the party failed to live up to their own idea of good government. Turn off that idiot Rush Limbaugh and start listening to Ron Paul...

every case? well i guess daddy bush wasn't much better was he? so sad that the bushes were sooooo far from representative of the true republican party.....I agree with you ron paul says things that....just make perfect sense....as opposed to the bs most politicians spout

[tyward]

Yes, it's interesting that Ron Paul says things that are so in tune with what I believe. It's in my very nature to not believe anything that a politician says. That said, knowing the extent of the problems facing this country, I'm not sure anyone is going to fix this problem easily. I think that some hard times are coming, but maybe that's just what Americans need to regain the toughness they once had...

[SMCengineer]

I don't think that I use that definition of secede, although it can be applied fairly liberally. (if I can use that term in here...) The research states that revolution is seeking independence from colonial rule (which is what we did) and that secession is separating from a political body where they already have a voice. (a difficult argument, because the US was a colony ruled by an English king.) No taxes without representation, etc. I believe that the first American secession was in 1861. Would love to hear an arguement proving me wrong though...

I’d love to give you a rebuttal, but your argument is inherently flawed. The definition of secession is to leave a political body, whether or not you have representation or think you’re being adequately represented is superfluous. The grievance that a state or colony feels they are not adequately represented can and does lead to secession, but it is not the sole definition or cause. Therefore, the revolution was indeed a secessionist movement against the tyrannical British Empire. For some reason people can’t accept the word secession as a means toward liberty because they can’t divorce it from the idea of slavery. When in reality secession is the opposite of slavery in that it’s a means of securing liberty against oppression. Conversely, historians like to divorce the idea that the American Revolution was much different than the Civil War, but in reality they were very much similar fights. Neither of them was morally correct in that both circumstances involved protecting the institution of slavery, but both were legally correct in that secession is a right.

The Declaration of Independence, otherwise considered a Declaration of Secession from England, clearly makes the case for American secession from the British Empire:

“That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

[tyward]

Well, I'm glad that you agree that you can't give me a rebuttal! (But then you go on to include various unrelated information, as if attempting to do just that.) The reason that people don't accept your reasoning that the American Revolution was a sucession, is that it doesn't meet the definintion of one. If, in a strange attempt at revisionist history you are going to change the definition of the words used (and fail to include major portions as well, doesn't that feel a bit dishonest?) then I suppose you can call it anything you like. It was the American disco...
Do let me know what your prof says though...

[SMCengineer]

Well, I'm glad that you agree that you can't give me a rebuttal! (But then you go on to include various unrelated information, as if attempting to do just that.) The reason that people don't accept your reasoning that the American Revolution was a sucession, is that it doesn't meet the definintion of one. If, in a strange attempt at revisionist history you are going to change the definition of the words used (and fail to include major portions as well, doesn't that feel a bit dishonest?) then I suppose you can call it anything you like. It was the American disco...
Do let me know what your prof says though...

My professor? I'm an air conditioning mechanic. I'm not sure if that was an attempt to belittle my arguement, but it failed.

If I've changed the words or left something out than it shouldn't be too hard for you to correct me. I like an intelligent debate.

I'll help:
Secede - to withdraw formally from an ********, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc. Source: Dictionary.com

[Tigershark]

Texas can do what they want. As long as they continue to not be afraid to use the death penalty I don't care either way.

[tyward]

Not an attempt to belittle at all. We are obviously using different dictionaries and that's okay. I was sitting in a memorial service yesterday and realized that I was tired of talking on the internet. This has been an interesting experience for me, but I think I'm going back to just reading about AAS and enjoying the various personalities of the posters. Thank you for the debate (and yes, you are a very good debater), and I'll be following your posts in the future, so you better win...Best to all, T