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    the rage that Israeli kids carry through adults

    I am outraged at some people that claim they want to live in peace but yet they teach their kids on how to adopt or carry some spiteful habits based on cultural or extremist beliefs without teaching them first how to be tolerant or curteous toward others no matter what their beleifs are.

    I hope that this kids can find a good hand that will teach them how to be kind to their neighbors and take that spiteful acts and convert it to helping others instead of detroying each other.



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    Not sure what i was looking at, but I agree with you. If you teach your kids hate at a young age they are more likey to grow up hating some one with out really knowing why...

    You can feed your heart HATE or LOVE same goes for your kids....


    Just my two cents...

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    Its just their way of egging someone's house. lol


    For every video like that, there is one of little muslim kids showing off guns and being instilled with hating jews and the world for that matter....

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    Its just their way of egging someone's house. lol


    For every video like that, there is one of little muslim kids showing off guns and being instilled with hating jews and the world for that matter....
    Im begining to think that you hate all muslims....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD MATT View Post
    Im begining to think that you hate all muslims....


    Not at all.

    But them french, don't get me started!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post


    Not at all.

    But them french, don't get me started!
    Hahaha fvck the french, i think you need to spend some time with BuffedGuy lol, some one on one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrif View Post
    I am outraged at some people that claim they want to live in peace but yet they teach their kids on how to adopt or carry some spiteful habits based on cultural or extremist beliefs without teaching them first how to be tolerant or curteous toward others no matter what their beleifs are.

    I hope that this kids can find a good hand that will teach them how to be kind to their neighbors and take that spiteful acts and convert it to helping others instead of detroying each other.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mO8CWSam2o
    Do you think the Palestinians are any more civilized than these children that are throwing stones? At least they aren't indiscriminately shelling Gaza.

    Obviously there are bad apples on both sides of the conflict, but your post makes it seem like you think Israelis are completely at fault.

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    My beloved brother Chariff, I agree with you that many Israelis (especially the settlers) raise their kids with extremist ideas. However, to be fair and just (as our religion instructs us to be), many Palestinians do the same thing. There is unfortunately too much hatred on each side.

    What is needed is a peaceful resolution, i.e. a two-state solution. Until Israel agrees to that, there can be no peace in the region...and the cycle of hatred and violence will continue endlessly.

    Quote Originally Posted by mho
    At least they aren't indiscriminately shelling Gaza.
    That's exactly what Israel does.

    However, I agree with you that with regard to this particular issue, i.e. raising children upon hatred, the Palestinians are also at fault. Having said that, one can understand why an occupied and colonized people do that, just like the Native Americans raised their children with a hatred for the "white man". Nonetheless--even though I can understand it--it is still wrong. As the Quran says: "Let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (Quran, 5:8)
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    I know I am going to be called a stupid redneck again but the OP has a good point, I feel the same way but for all races, every race for the most part is taught hateful racism at some point in time. It just depends if they adhere to it, we were actually talking about it today at a little shindig, we were talking about how alot of Blacks feel that whites owe them so much because they were slaves, well woman got their rights to vote after blacks got their rights. Not only were blacks slaves but so were white Irish people, and they were basically slaves even further on than when blacks were free. Yes they were considered indentured servants, but they were still some rich white person's Biotch. What I am getting at is before any one race can achieve peace, the other will have to quit the blame and the hate. Do the Irish still place blame, No, they are instead blamed because they are white. Now I am not picking on one color because there is alot of racism around, I grew up in East Tx. and well I was called N-word lover and even worse because I had friends of different races. Needles to say the OP has a great point, but we as a community no matter how big we get can never help this until our children are raised where they know there will be no punishment whatsoever if they hang out, or date other races. I really dont want to sound like a Bible basher, but I dont see this happening until Jesus comes back! I hate it cause I date wonderful girls from different races, and I am sure alot of us have, but I feel no matter how much we want it our world will never let it exist without hate, and alot of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prone2rage View Post
    Not sure what i was looking at, but I agree with you. If you teach your kids hate at a young age they are more likey to grow up hating some one with out really knowing why...

    You can feed your heart HATE or LOVE same goes for your kids....


    Just my two cents...

    I agree with you. most certainly parents behaviour have a great effect upon their childrens conduct. I am ganna keep that in mind so when I do have kids I will try my best to stay as positive as I can. I still think that raising kids in this days and age is the biggest jihad one can perform.

    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    Its just their way of egging someone's house. lol


    For every video like that, there is one of little muslim kids showing off guns and being instilled with hating jews and the world for that matter....
    when are u ganna wise up man.



    Quote Originally Posted by MAD MATT View Post
    Hahaha fvck the french, i think you need to spend some time with BuffedGuy lol, some one on one...
    salut.



    Quote Originally Posted by mho View Post
    Do you think the Palestinians are any more civilized than these children that are throwing stones? At least they aren't indiscriminately shelling Gaza.

    Obviously there are bad apples on both sides of the conflict, but your post makes it seem like you think Israelis are completely at fault.
    I think I have been little unfair by generalzing the title all israeli kids where it should read some israeli kids. I have some jew neighbors that r very nice and kind. the israeli governement offered them money and support to move back to israel but they refused cause they don't support violence and they are no where near what we see back in israel.
    that's why I always say I hate zionism along with its followers.


    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    My beloved brother Chariff, I agree with you that many Israelis (especially the settlers) raise their kids with extremist ideas. However, to be fair and just (as our religion instructs us to be), many Palestinians do the same thing. There is unfortunately too much hatred on each side.

    What is needed is a peaceful resolution, i.e. a two-state solution. Until Israel agrees to that, there can be no peace in the region...and the cycle of hatred and violence will continue endlessly.



    That's exactly what Israel does.

    However, I agree with you that with regard to this particular issue, i.e. raising children upon hatred, the Palestinians are also at fault. Having said that, one can understand why an occupied and colonized people do that, just like the Native Americans raised their children with a hatred for the "white man". Nonetheless--even though I can understand it--it is still wrong. As the Quran says: "Let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (Quran, 5:8)

    welcome back brother. couldn't agree more with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloth9 View Post
    I know I am going to be called a stupid redneck again but the OP has a good point, I feel the same way but for all races, every race for the most part is taught hateful racism at some point in time. It just depends if they adhere to it, we were actually talking about it today at a little shindig, we were talking about how alot of Blacks feel that whites owe them so much because they were slaves, well woman got their rights to vote after blacks got their rights. Not only were blacks slaves but so were white Irish people, and they were basically slaves even further on than when blacks were free. Yes they were considered indentured servants, but they were still some rich white person's Biotch. What I am getting at is before any one race can achieve peace, the other will have to quit the blame and the hate. Do the Irish still place blame, No, they are instead blamed because they are white. Now I am not picking on one color because there is alot of racism around, I grew up in East Tx. and well I was called N-word lover and even worse because I had friends of different races. Needles to say the OP has a great point, but we as a community no matter how big we get can never help this until our children are raised where they know there will be no punishment whatsoever if they hang out, or date other races. I really dont want to sound like a Bible basher, but I dont see this happening until Jesus comes back! I hate it cause I date wonderful girls from different races, and I am sure alot of us have, but I feel no matter how much we want it our world will never let it exist without hate, and alot of it.




    yes indeed u r redneck.



    no just kidding, u made a good point. I think we all r waiting for jesus to comeback but until that day comes surely they would be some bloodshed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloth9 View Post
    I know I am going to be called a stupid redneck again but the OP has a good point, I feel the same way but for all races, every race for the most part is taught hateful racism at some point in time. It just depends if they adhere to it, we were actually talking about it today at a little shindig, we were talking about how alot of Blacks feel that whites owe them so much because they were slaves, well woman got their rights to vote after blacks got their rights. Not only were blacks slaves but so were white Irish people, and they were basically slaves even further on than when blacks were free. Yes they were considered indentured servants, but they were still some rich white person's Biotch. What I am getting at is before any one race can achieve peace, the other will have to quit the blame and the hate. Do the Irish still place blame, No, they are instead blamed because they are white. Now I am not picking on one color because there is alot of racism around, I grew up in East Tx. and well I was called N-word lover and even worse because I had friends of different races. Needles to say the OP has a great point, but we as a community no matter how big we get can never help this until our children are raised where they know there will be no punishment whatsoever if they hang out, or date other races. I really dont want to sound like a Bible basher, but I dont see this happening until Jesus comes back! I hate it cause I date wonderful girls from different races, and I am sure alot of us have, but I feel no matter how much we want it our world will never let it exist without hate, and alot of it.
    I would never call you a redneck, but since you aren't black you don't know if black people think all white people owe them something. That is your perception and a wrong one at that. Also white women were given their right to vote after the right to vote for black men were taken away. So white women had their right to vote much longer that the black race. And if you think endentured servitude was the same as black slavery then you are completely ignorant. The two were very different in just about every aspect. Plus after a white person gained the freedom (which they had many ways of doing so, unlike blacks) they could assimilate into society much easier than blacks.

    So please, if you are going to speak on a particular race, at least have some basis of fact. Your post above prove that you do not grasp any level of race relations in this country.

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    You call that teaching to hate??

    How about a country that teaches 5 year olds
    how to wear armed suicide bombs? Or to teach
    them to kill every jew wherever they are?
    Ya thats what the Palis are doing.

    Have a look here to see REAL hatered

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1mav...eature=related

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightWolf View Post
    You call that teaching to hate??

    How about a country that teaches 5 year olds
    how to wear armed suicide bombs? Or to teach
    them to kill every jew wherever they are?
    Ya thats what the Palis are doing.

    Have a look here to see REAL hatered

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1mav...eature=related
    Israeli settlers teach their children that they have a God-given right to exterminate the "roaches" [roaches = Palestinianis, or "Palis" as you say].

    There is "real hatred" being taught in both camps, and it is unfortunate. The only solution is a just peace, i.e. a two state solution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    What is needed is a peaceful resolution, i.e. a two-state solution. Until Israel agrees to that, there can be no peace in the region...and the cycle of hatred and violence will continue endlessly.


    Thats exactly what Israel agreed to when Clinton was president. The Palestinians said no...because their ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel, not peaceful co-existance. I would have them throw grenades instead of stones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    Israeli settlers teach their children that they have a God-given right to exterminate the "roaches" [roaches = Palestinianis, or "Palis" as you say]
    Thats not true, did you even wath the video?
    how can you even try to compare that to your
    bs and propaganda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RA View Post
    Thats exactly what Israel agreed to when Clinton was president. The Palestinians said no...because their ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel, not peaceful co-existance.
    This is false, and you are ignorant of the situation. Sorry to be blunt about this, but I have already discussed this issue in depth before, and I really don't want to get into it again. The Israelis did not at all agree to a sovereign Palestinian state--with all the rights of a sovereign state. "Autonomy" is just another form of colonization.

    Please read up on what Noam Chomsky has to say about this particular "deal". It's spot on. The deal would create nothing short of Bantustans. It was not a SOVEREIGN nation-state, which is what the Palestinians want, and anything short of which is a fraud.

    I'm not saying you are ignorant in general bro, just on this particular issue. Please forgive me for being so blunt.

    If you really want, I can search for my earlier post and reproduce it here, so you can learn a bit on the issue, God-Willing.

    Quote Originally Posted by NightWolf View Post
    Thats not true, did you even wath the video?
    how can you even try to compare that to your
    bs and propaganda?
    I did not watch the video, although I imagine it probably has Palestinian kids yelling slogans about martyrdom and killing Jews. Even so, I don't see what the difference is between this and Israeli settlers teaching their kids to kill Palestinian "roaches".

    The Israeli daily newspaper “Yedioth Ahronoth” (May 7th 2002) published a report titled “Dear Soldiers, Please Kill a Lot of Arabs”. This call did not come from a known Israeli extremist group nor from settlers, but from Israeli children who sent letters to Israeli soldiers serving in the Tulkarm area during the so-called “Operation Defensive Shield”. The letters sent by Israeli school students encouraged soldiers to disregard rules and regulations and to kill as many Arabs as possible.

    According to “Yedioth Ahronoth”, dozens of the letters were sent to soldiers, mostly from children in the 7th through 10th grades, who attend national religious schools.

    As one Palestinian noted: "Every Friday night and Saturday, dozens of [Israeli] settlers, including kids, descend on our neighbourhood to smash our cars, windows and property and shout 'Death to the Arabs!'"

    And there are many other examples one can cite. The point is simple: the hatred emanates from both sides, and a person who says it is one-sided is likely a biased bigot himself.
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    And this is where the thread decends into one side trying to prove who is worst, Palestine or Israel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagg View Post
    And this is where the thread decends into one side trying to prove who is worst, Palestine or Israel..
    Well, I am certainly not doing that in this case. I believe that both sides teach their kids hatred towards the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    I would never call you a redneck, but since you aren't black you don't know if black people think all white people owe them something. That is your perception and a wrong one at that. Also white women were given their right to vote after the right to vote for black men were taken away. So white women had their right to vote much longer that the black race. And if you think endentured servitude was the same as black slavery then you are completely ignorant. The two were very different in just about every aspect. Plus after a white person gained the freedom (which they had many ways of doing so, unlike blacks) they could assimilate into society much easier than blacks.

    So please, if you are going to speak on a particular race, at least have some basis of fact. Your post above prove that you do not grasp any level of race relations in this country.
    Bg- read this below, and you will see that I know what I am talking about, but anyway dont go putting words in my mouth, I did not say I feel every Black person feels they deserve something, I said alot. Why did people stand up asking Obama for houses, and why did they say now I dont have to pay my bills cause Obama will pay them, we are forgetting things that arent even a year old yet. Needless to say I can get you alot more evidence that states Woman had their voting rights alot later, than race, but the key factor was intimidation, and that kept alot of race out of voting booths even today. Just remember, I normally dont go posting willy nilly without a basis, my points are almost always backed up with a quote or the truth.

    Voting in America

    Who can vote? The right to vote is sometimes referred to as "suffrage." The right of suffrage in the United States is currently enjoyed by all citizens over the age of eighteen. However, this has not always been the case. In the early years of the republic, the eligible electorate consisted primarily of white, male, property owners. States gradually relaxed property-ownership requirements until most male citizens of twenty-one years or more were allowed to vote. After the Civil War, the right to vote was extended to all citizens, regardless of race, by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. The Women's Suffrage Movement succeeded with the 19th Amendment and the extension of the right to vote to women (some states already allowed women to vote, but the Amendment required all states to do so). The 23rd Amendment allotted electoral votes to the District of Columbia, thereby giving its residents the right to vote in presidential elections. And the 26th Amendment, ratified in 1971, granted the right to vote to every citizen eighteen years of age or older.

    Simply because voting rights are formally extended by the Constitution, however, does not mean they are actually exercised. Most notably, black voters did not fully enjoy the right to vote for many years after the ratification of the 13th Amendment because of intimidation, discrimination and tactics such as literacy tests and poll taxes (see "The Civil Rights Movement"). Moreover, many people who have the right to vote simply choose not to exercise it. Millions of eligible voters have not even registered to vote.

    The endentured servants, was a good point, but what I was getting at is the Irish still were treated as trash after they were done, you really need to brush up on history man, just like Typhoid Mary they treated her like crap because of her race if she had been normal white they wouldnt have tried to lock her up, or put her on the island. Basically what I am trying to get at, is there are alot more factors in this world that create racism and one is exactly like Buffed guy says, it is the upbringing of many kids, all over the world, not only kids strapping on bombs, or "killing the roaches", but it is over here too, whites, blacks, and mexicans, all raising there kids to hate the other. What do you think is gonna happen now in Somalia, the pirates are gonna raise there children to kill Americans on ships (because uncle johimbe got killed when taking a hostage), because the pirate thing has been working for them and I dont see it going away soon. Any way if you need more info I will be glad to provide it, I can go all day buddy, lol. Like I said your the opposite opinion everytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    I believe that both sides teach their kids hatred towards the other.
    Thats my point exactly.

    Its BOTH sides.

    By posting this video, charrif clearly takes one side, and from previous posts, we all know where he stands. I think its you friend, that needs to wise up.


    It would be like me posting a video showing a black guy being racist to whites and acting like it doesn't happen vice versa. Gimme a break...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    The point is simple: the hatred emanates from both sides
    Offcourse there is hate from both sides, nobody can
    deny this. after all, they have been at war for MANY
    years and still are. Although from my POV and OPINON the
    palistinians have taken it much further then just teaching
    out hate. I mean who the fvuck straps bombs around 5 year
    olds to teach them how to wear a suicide bomb, or let them
    march down the streets with Ak`s?

    watch the video i posted and give me your HONEST opinon
    if you think that is the same thing to compare with.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1mav...eature=related

    (the sound lags a bit after)

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightWolf View Post
    Offcourse there is hate from both sides, nobody can
    deny this. after all, they have been at war for MANY
    years and still are. Although from my POV and OPINON the
    palistinians have taken it much further then just teaching
    out hate. I mean who the fvuck straps bombs around 5 year
    olds to teach them how to wear a suicide bomb, or let them
    march down the streets with Ak`s?

    watch the video i posted and give me your HONEST opinon
    if you think that is the same thing to compare with.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1mav...eature=related

    (the sound lags a bit after)

    Listen NightWolf, ive watched you for a while now and you seem to spend most of your time lurking in this forum, you only seem to come out of your hole when BuffedGuy comes on..

    Most, if not all of what you say is complete shit, just on that link alone, id teach my fvcking kids to use bombs and guns if my country was occupied.

    You are the least educated person ive ever seen on this board when it comes to this subject, so why dont you crawl back to your little fvcking hole and stay there..

    BuffGuy if i was you id not answers any more of this retards posts, he's just picking for a fight and has know idea what he's talking about, where i come from we call shits like him bullies and i love stamping on bullies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAD MATT View Post
    Listen NightWolf, ive watched you for a while now and you seem to spend most of your time lurking in this forum, you only seem to come out of your hole when BuffedGuy comes on..

    Most, if not all of what you say is complete shit, just on that link alone, id teach my fvcking kids to use bombs and guns if my country was occupied.

    You are the least educated person ive ever seen on this board when it comes to this subject, so why dont you crawl back to your little fvcking hole and stay there..

    BuffGuy if i was you id not answers any more of this retards posts, he's just picking for a fight and has know idea what he's talking about, where i come from we call shits like him bullies and i love stamping on bullies...

    You have been watching me? ya when you got 5500 posts
    in only a couple of months i guess you have nothing better
    to do. How about you try to go outside for a while?
    Dude do you even train?? when do you have the time for that?

    Also you are the biggest spammer i have ever seen.
    You go around here and hate on jews and french
    but still you have the nerve to tell someone they
    hate muslims, as you did in this thread to a member.
    Who the fvuck do you think you are?

    If you dont like my opinon on the subject go fvuck yourself.
    Actually buffguy was the one that reply to MY post in this thread
    and not the other way around idiot. If your gonna lick buffguys
    behind clean, atleast get your facts straight.

    I know your a loser who spends all his day typing alot
    of bs from your moms basement, but dont come in here
    and start flaming because someone does not share your
    opinon you clown.

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    I think you could have been more objective on how you set up this thread Charrif. Kids are being born into hate on both sides and it's a problem that needs a soloution, that's the real story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sloth9 View Post
    Bg- read this below, and you will see that I know what I am talking about, but anyway dont go putting words in my mouth, I did not say I feel every Black person feels they deserve something, I said alot. Why did people stand up asking Obama for houses, and why did they say now I dont have to pay my bills cause Obama will pay them, we are forgetting things that arent even a year old yet. Needless to say I can get you alot more evidence that states Woman had their voting rights alot later, than race, but the key factor was intimidation, and that kept alot of race out of voting booths even today. Just remember, I normally dont go posting willy nilly without a basis, my points are almost always backed up with a quote or the truth.

    Voting in America

    Who can vote? The right to vote is sometimes referred to as "suffrage." The right of suffrage in the United States is currently enjoyed by all citizens over the age of eighteen. However, this has not always been the case. In the early years of the republic, the eligible electorate consisted primarily of white, male, property owners. States gradually relaxed property-ownership requirements until most male citizens of twenty-one years or more were allowed to vote. After the Civil War, the right to vote was extended to all citizens, regardless of race, by the 13th Amendment to the Constitution. The Women's Suffrage Movement succeeded with the 19th Amendment and the extension of the right to vote to women (some states already allowed women to vote, but the Amendment required all states to do so). The 23rd Amendment allotted electoral votes to the District of Columbia, thereby giving its residents the right to vote in presidential elections. And the 26th Amendment, ratified in 1971, granted the right to vote to every citizen eighteen years of age or older.

    Simply because voting rights are formally extended by the Constitution, however, does not mean they are actually exercised. Most notably, black voters did not fully enjoy the right to vote for many years after the ratification of the 13th Amendment because of intimidation, discrimination and tactics such as literacy tests and poll taxes (see "The Civil Rights Movement"). Moreover, many people who have the right to vote simply choose not to exercise it. Millions of eligible voters have not even registered to vote.

    The endentured servants, was a good point, but what I was getting at is the Irish still were treated as trash after they were done, you really need to brush up on history man, just like Typhoid Mary they treated her like crap because of her race if she had been normal white they wouldnt have tried to lock her up, or put her on the island. Basically what I am trying to get at, is there are alot more factors in this world that create racism and one is exactly like Buffed guy says, it is the upbringing of many kids, all over the world, not only kids strapping on bombs, or "killing the roaches", but it is over here too, whites, blacks, and mexicans, all raising there kids to hate the other. What do you think is gonna happen now in Somalia, the pirates are gonna raise there children to kill Americans on ships (because uncle johimbe got killed when taking a hostage), because the pirate thing has been working for them and I dont see it going away soon. Any way if you need more info I will be glad to provide it, I can go all day buddy, lol. Like I said your the opposite opinion everytime.
    Not to hijack the thread, but first of all, I don't need to brush up on my history. I wrote my masters thesis on racism in America resulting from the sub-Saharan African slave trade. So yes, I do have a masters in history. 2nd, you're cut and paste about voting rights further proves my point. While White women were given the right to vote (after all other men), blacks weren't allow to vote "because of intimidation and discrimination", it's the same thing as I stated before. Essentially what I was saying was true. Plus the women's suffrage movement did not include black women.

    I'm in complete agreement that racism being taught by all races. But you made it a point to point out the shortcomings of blacks...as usual. Whether or not you are racist remains to be seen but you do have a habit to villify everyone except whites and you are constantly complaining about white people being discriminated against. YOu are starting to sound just like those 'supposed' minorities who are always complaining about whites!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charrif View Post
    i am outraged at some people that claim they want to live in peace but yet they teach their kids on how to adopt or carry some spiteful habits based on cultural or extremist beliefs without teaching them first how to be tolerant or curteous toward others no matter what their beleifs are.

    I hope that this kids can find a good hand that will teach them how to be kind to their neighbors and take that spiteful acts and convert it to helping others instead of detroying each other.



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    Make love not war

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    I dont blame the palestinians or true jewish believers... its the zionist fuks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1mav...eature=related

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    I will make one more post about this tragedy, I feel it is wrong to a child to hate anything because they are just acting on what they have heard, not what they have experienced in life. As we grow older some of our visions change due to our experiences with certian people. I understand where each of you are coming from and there is now way we will ever agree on this subject due to different opinions.

    What I do see is the OP is concerned with what is happening to his people, and he wants us to know what is happening and how it effects him. I have respect for Charrif and his commits on this forum. I also understand where night wolf is coming from and why he believes what he believes. I do understand where bigsexy is coming from because he is like 90% of the people I know..

    buffedguy, I do not understand where you are coming from because all you want to do is pick a fight and then start calling people names, there for a while I did look at you as someone that wanted to stand up for your people but then you have just turned it into hate and calling people racist and so one..you have even said the pen is more powerfull then the sword. this could be true but not on a steroid site. also buff I have told you if you believe so much in this and how the Jews are fuvking your people over and you have so much hate against them then do something about it, if you dont want to grab a gun then grab your pen and go over there and teach them.....

    this is my two cents again

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    Quote Originally Posted by prone2rage View Post
    I will make one more post about this tragedy, I feel it is wrong to a child to hate anything because they are just acting on what they have heard, not what they have experienced in life. As we grow older some of our visions change due to our experiences with certian people. I understand where each of you are coming from and there is now way we will ever agree on this subject due to different opinions.

    What I do see is the OP is concerned with what is happening to his people, and he wants us to know what is happening and how it effects him. I have respect for Charrif and his commits on this forum. I also understand where night wolf is coming from and why he believes what he believes. I do understand where bigsexy is coming from because he is like 90% of the people I know..

    buffedguy, I do not understand where you are coming from because all you want to do is pick a fight and then start calling people names, there for a while I did look at you as someone that wanted to stand up for your people but then you have just turned it into hate and calling people racist and so one..you have even said the pen is more powerfull then the sword. this could be true but not on a steroid site. also buff I have told you if you believe so much in this and how the Jews are fuvking your people over and you have so much hate against them then do something about it, if you dont want to grab a gun then grab your pen and go over there and teach them.....

    this is my two cents again
    Bump, I agree with Prone, also what is it Sir Winston Churchill said- "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject."

    "If you're not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative at 40, you have no brain."

    "To be conservative at 20 is heartless and to be a liberal at 60 is plain idiocy." Winston Churchill

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    This is false, and you are ignorant of the situation. Sorry to be blunt about this, but I have already discussed this issue in depth before, and I really don't want to get into it again. The Israelis did not at all agree to a sovereign Palestinian state--with all the rights of a sovereign state. "Autonomy" is just another form of colonization.

    Please read up on what Noam Chomsky has to say about this particular "deal". It's spot on. The deal would create nothing short of Bantustans. It was not a SOVEREIGN nation-state, which is what the Palestinians want, and anything short of which is a fraud.

    I'm not saying you are ignorant in general bro, just on this particular issue. Please forgive me for being so blunt.

    If you really want, I can search for my earlier post and reproduce it here, so you can learn a bit on the issue, God-Willing.
    I suppose you can argue the minutia of the wording but I know Israel was willing to give up very much...I dont believe there will ever be peaceful co-existance and I dont blame that on Israel.

    Ok, hit me with your propaganda. Im ready

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    This is false, and you are ignorant of the situation. Sorry to be blunt about this, but I have already discussed this issue in depth before, and I really don't want to get into it again. The Israelis did not at all agree to a sovereign Palestinian state--with all the rights of a sovereign state. "Autonomy" is just another form of colonization.

    Please read up on what Noam Chomsky has to say about this particular "deal". It's spot on. The deal would create nothing short of Bantustans. It was not a SOVEREIGN nation-state, which is what the Palestinians want, and anything short of which is a fraud.

    I'm not saying you are ignorant in general bro, just on this particular issue. Please forgive me for being so blunt.

    If you really want, I can search for my earlier post and reproduce it here, so you can learn a bit on the issue, God-Willing.

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    Define Autonomy, the lack there of and then explain how the non acceptance of Autonomy can co-exist with a 2 state soloution.

    How much do you know about Noam Chomsky? And why should anyone care what he says? He's a self proclaimed anarchist and is a constant critic of intervention in any nation no mater what the justification. Could you possibly come up with a worse academic to quote than a widely known political dissident? In other words he's a philosopher and loves to argue and always takes the position of being against the US gvt, little of what he says has basis in fact and only suites his agenda.

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    Wow, that is really cool, a masters, I am working on my 3rd aas, any way did you pay attention, I actually said the same thing agreeing with you about the intimidation, and discrimination. I didnt just cut and paste that part I was agreeing with you there. I am just stating what I have seen in my past. Do you remember the dragging of that poor man in Jasper, I do it was horrible, and more should have been done to those a holes who did. Needless to say what my point I am trying to get across is in every race White,Black,and Brown, racism is being taught at a early age.


    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    Not to hijack the thread, but first of all, I don't need to brush up on my history. I wrote my masters thesis on racism in America resulting from the sub-Saharan African slave trade. So yes, I do have a masters in history. 2nd, you're cut and paste about voting rights further proves my point. While White women were given the right to vote (after all other men), blacks weren't allow to vote "because of intimidation and discrimination", it's the same thing as I stated before. Essentially what I was saying was true. Plus the women's suffrage movement did not include black women.

    I'm in complete agreement that racism being taught by all races. But you made it a point to point out the shortcomings of blacks...as usual. Whether or not you are racist remains to be seen but you do have a habit to villify everyone except whites and you are constantly complaining about white people being discriminated against. YOu are starting to sound just like those 'supposed' minorities who are always complaining about whites!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RA View Post
    I suppose you can argue the minutia of the wording
    It's not semantics. It's concepts. There is a world of difference between only autonomy on the one hand and sovereignty on the other hand.

    Professor Henry Steiner of Harvard Law School explains the difference as follows:
    The legal distinction: An independent Kosovo would be a sovereign state with the right to join the U.N and fly its own flag etc. More important, independent states have a well-defined set of rights under international law, such as the right not to be invaded. An autonomous Kosovo, on the other hand, would technically remain a province of Serbia--meaning that international law wouldn't prohibit a Serb invasion.

    http://www.slate.com/id/1002026/

    Doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize why Palestinians rejected "autonomy", which would mean that Palestinian land was still a province of Israel, where Israel could station troops and invade at will.

    but I know Israel was willing to give up very much...
    The reality is that Israel was giving up almost nothing. In fact, the autonomy arrangement--like the Bantustans of South Africa--would benefit the colonial power, because it would mean that the colonized would have to pay for its own sanitation, infrastructure, etc, whereas the colonial power would retain military and economic control.

    I dont believe there will ever be peaceful co-existance and I dont blame that on Israel.
    That is because, my dear friend, you are being fooled by the Western media. I will show you one image which should show you who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed:



    Green = Palestinian land
    White = Jewish/Israeli land

    Peace be unto you.

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    At the summit with Clinton in 2000, Barak offered the Palestinians a contiguous state on 95% of the west bank and 100% of gaza, with a capital in east jerusalem. He offered to dismantle more than 100 settlements as well. Arafat rejected the deal and made no counterproposal.

    Why? He wanted NO DEAL. Palestinians want the destruction of Israel, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    Green = Palestinian land
    White = Jewish/Israeli land

    Peace be unto you.
    There is a reason the map changed...UN proposed borders was a result of the British leaving and saying to themselves..."Geez, as soon as we leave there is going to be a war and the Arabs can barely wait until we're gone to kill all the Jewish imigrants. Don't want another holocoust so we should probably seperate these people." So the UN drew borders along demographic lines. It was pretty shitty land they got and not very defensable, being only 10 miles across in many places. Also the Jews got no part of Jerusalem...and it remained landlocked by Arab land.

    As soon as the lines were drawn the Arabs were so excited to quickly attack the Jews...the attack had little stategy and they ended up loosing land to people basically armed with picks and shovels.

    Then when an attack was certain again, the Jews acted first in the 6 day war.

    Then in 1973 showing poor taste imo attacking on a religious holiday for the Jews Egypt and Syria launched a suprize war on the Jews resulting in even more loss of land.

    So clearly Arabs are not innocent in the loss of land. At no time when Israel took on more land were they not in danger or acting with the intent of expansion. You can't show an expanding map as malicious intent, that's just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffedGuy View Post
    It's not semantics. It's concepts. There is a world of difference between only autonomy on the one hand and sovereignty on the other hand.

    Professor Henry Steiner of Harvard Law School explains the difference as follows:
    The legal distinction: An independent Kosovo would be a sovereign state with the right to join the U.N and fly its own flag etc. More important, independent states have a well-defined set of rights under international law, such as the right not to be invaded. An autonomous Kosovo, on the other hand, would technically remain a province of Serbia--meaning that international law wouldn't prohibit a Serb invasion.

    http://www.slate.com/id/1002026/

    Doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize why Palestinians rejected "autonomy", which would mean that Palestinian land was still a province of Israel, where Israel could station troops and invade at will.



    The reality is that Israel was giving up almost nothing. In fact, the autonomy arrangement--like the Bantustans of South Africa--would benefit the colonial power, because it would mean that the colonized would have to pay for its own sanitation, infrastructure, etc, whereas the colonial power would retain military and economic control.
    .
    How do your teachers even come up with this crap?
    Palestine is going to want to join the UN? Bawahhahaha

    Israel was giving up plenty and they could fly a flag, have a gvmt and do as they please. Invasion would only be tollerated upon military provocation, and they would most likely be opening themselves up to terror attacks.

    Can you show me the part of the peace agreement that will limit the rights of the newly formed state?

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