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08-20-2009, 10:21 AM #81
Do not tell me clean my house when your is just as Dirty
The party you are with has nothing to do with your actions as an adult
It is who you are as a person you morals if you think you can get away with adultry then you will do it. IMO some will stand on there high horse and preach some will not.
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08-20-2009, 11:56 AM #82
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08-20-2009, 04:47 PM #83
I'm sorry but what rights do "GAYS" not have? Your just cry babies, because you can't get married, well guess what you won't win the black music awards either, or be a nascar driver, but no no no GAYS want to marry this week so they deserve it WHY? It's a joint of a man and woman END OF STORY!
Please oh please tell me what rights you dont have as gays?
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08-20-2009, 08:11 PM #84
Too late, we already have.
or be a nascar driver
but no no no GAYS want to marry this week so they deserve it WHY? It's a joint of a man and woman END OF STORY!
Please oh please tell me what rights you dont have as gays?
If my sweetie and I could marry, then if either one of us died, the other would automatically inherit the other's stuff. My family is cool with the issue, but if one of his family members decides to challenge my right to assume ownership of his property, then we're going to court.
You heterosexual people don't have to deal with that BS.
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In most states, gay people cannot adopt.
Myself, the only way I like kids is if they're barbequed. But I know some gay couples that would make excellent parents. But they can't, because their state's laws say that gay people can't adopt.
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Taxes.
Unmarried gay couples usually pay more taxes than married couples do.
And in the states that allow gay marriage, well, they have to file one set of taxes as a married couple for the state income tax. Then they have to file two more sets of state income taxes, each being single, because the federal tax forms don't recognize two married males and the tax forms require information from their state forms as single, not married. And then they have to file two federal tax returns, when if they were married, they'd only have to file one.
So, while married heterosexual couples in Massachusetts, Iowa, Conneticut, Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire only have to do one state and one federal income tax form, married gay couples have to do five.
What's up with that?
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Me, I could have had a career in the USAF if I was heterosexual, but they kicked me out for no other reason than that I'm gay. It cost them 2 years of training expenses to replace me. Oh yeah, and a dog, too. They killed my sniffer dog because they couldn't find anyone who wanted to work with him.
And while I had been working with a hundred or so people, I only ever encountered two who didn't seem to be comfortable with me. Neither of them were in the same barracks as me.
I've done just fine for myself over the years, but it seems to me that the military's anti-gay policy costs taxpayers an awful lot of money.
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I also want the right to beat the living daylights out of idiots who antagonize reasonable people. In some states, they can't bear the embarrassment that comes from effeminate queens who beat the cr@p out of burly weightlifters. It's ok in those states for heterosexuals to beat them up, but not for gays.
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08-21-2009, 11:40 AM #85
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08-21-2009, 07:30 PM #86
My point that you totally missed is BEING GAY doesn't give you rights to things YOUR not entitled to! I'm not saying Gay people haven't won any of those things, but JUST BECAUSE YOU GAY! doesn't mean you should win!
So you think you should get benefits that men and women getting married should have? Just like I said, just because you gay doesn't entitle you to SHIT! Well except a dick in your ass, but two each your own.
Getting kicked out of the military just makes me think you can't read a contract, nothing more. You agreed to the contract knowing you were making a FALSE statement because it would benefit YOU! I have said it once and I will say it again LIBERALS=GAYS, your looking just to push the limits and get your benefits even if they aren't yours to be had.
You talk about forms too, hummm its funny I spent 2 yrs getting forms and shit together and shit just for my wife of 7 years now to live with me in the states. AND I WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT, please oh please, lets complain about this too, im going to win....
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08-22-2009, 07:39 PM #87
14th Amendment to the US Constitution provides equal protection under the law for all citizens. If you can get married, then so can I. That's not because I'm gay, it's because I'm a citizen of the USA and The Constitution says I can have all the rights that you do.
Getting kicked out of the military just makes me think you can't read a contract, nothing more. You agreed to the contract knowing you were making a FALSE statement because it would benefit YOU!
When I enlisted, I had no idea what the word "gay" meant. Back in 1975 the topic wasn't commonly discussed, and when it was, the word was "fag." Honestly and truly, I had no idea my sexual orientation was any different than anyone else's. I hung around with lots of church people who never talked about sex one way or the other.
You talk about forms too, hummm its funny I spent 2 yrs getting forms and shit together and shit just for my wife of 7 years now to live with me in the states. AND I WORK FOR THE GOVERNMENT, please oh please, lets complain about this too, im going to win....
So what do you think -- should I have the same rights that you have, or should one of us have more rights than the other?
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08-23-2009, 09:46 PM #88
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08-24-2009, 04:40 PM #89
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08-24-2009, 07:43 PM #90
Nah you are what you are... I don't care or claim to change it, could careless never said there weren't dropouts, dickheads, punks, idiots etc... in this world. Don't care to change them just it's fun to hear their story and either run them over or push them to the side.
Happy now? Have fun talking to yourself.....
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08-24-2009, 08:09 PM #91
tock what r u gay and from dallas? just asking...
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08-24-2009, 10:07 PM #92
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08-24-2009, 10:30 PM #93
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08-24-2009, 10:44 PM #94
not telling people how to live their life as long as they aren't bothering anyone is what makes this country not Iran.
If the military can make a case it diminishes the fighting capacity of the armed forces to have open gay people serving and they can provide stuidies, I don't have a problem with it staying the way it is. It isn't the boyscouts after all. Nobody is actively looking to kick gay people out of the military anymore. Nobody can blackmail or turn you in under current policy. The only obligation of gay people in the military is not to talk about pleasures of the butthole at work...it isn't so bad.
Anyway Tock, it's a shame that gay people feel so obligated to the dems. There is more to running a country then sex life. The fact they can count on gays and minorities isn't great for the country.Last edited by Kratos; 08-24-2009 at 10:47 PM.
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08-24-2009, 11:12 PM #95
Gay people come from every walk of society, so gay people are just like everyone else. Same % of conservatives, liberals, libertarians, wackos, geniuses, sex addicts, Christian fundamentalists (I used to be one), business owners, etc etc etc as everybody else.
My guess is as soon as the Republicans dump the anti-gay BS, you'll see a migration of some gay Democrats to the Republicans.
Have you seen the Texas Republican Party platform? I put a link to it on one of my posts (#45) in this thread. It's really vicious to gay people; they want to restore jail sentences for gay people making whoopie at home. That's not the sort of thing calculated to gain support from gays. And they want to make it a felony for a gov't employee to perform a marriage for 2 gay people.
I don't really care if church members want to act masochistic and volunteer for punishment from their church; that's their privelege. But I'm not a Christian, and I don't want them to push their religious beleifs off on me. But every time they say, "God told me to sh@t on you because you're gay," that's exactly what they're doing. Screw 'em all (God told me to say that).Last edited by Tock; 08-25-2009 at 12:00 AM.
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08-25-2009, 12:10 PM #96
problem is the attitude of the people in texas to gay people.
the republican party is trying to give the people what they want.
it is not like this in CT...it would go over like a lead ballon
it would be great if no political party would go after the votes of the ignorant
then you would see a 3rd party emerge I would guess for those who wish to control others.
Maybe locally republicans would loose to an independent party in bible belt areas...but it would be good for the party on a national basis.
voting based on what goes in your rectum is not the way to put this country in a positive direction. It gives dem's a voting base no matter what stupidity they want to push. They can count on gays, minorities, teachers, hollywood actors and celebs, brainwashed MTV youth. Everyone but people who care about the real issues that face our nation.
poor people will always out-number rich as well.
Democrats believe in bottom-up economic policies (some would call that socialism) where republicans trend to trickle down (hence deregulation, free markets, tax breaks, loopholes).
bottom up is unsustainable in my mind
so it's a pretty good number of growing population they can count on and the general direction is not what I would like to seeLast edited by Kratos; 08-25-2009 at 12:30 PM.
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08-25-2009, 01:40 PM #97
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08-25-2009, 01:41 PM #98
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08-27-2009, 08:08 PM #99
Top down is unsustainable too, because the people at the bottom want a say in how things work, even if they're stupid.
Bottom up is unsustainable, because the ideas are not always rational.
Letting everyone vote on things gives the poor people a way to overthrow government leaders without violence. Aside from that, we'll always have leaders who think they have a better way, and rabble who who want to do it some other way.
Nevertheless, as long as the Republicans continue their efforts to turn me into a criminal, I'll vote against them. IMHO, I'm better off poor and free, than poor and in jail.Last edited by Tock; 08-27-2009 at 08:11 PM.
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