Israel or Palestine?

[BJJ]

their both wrong..

anytime someone says something that is related to god, and someone gets shot for it,, their wrong., Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc etc.. all wrong.. wrong wrong wrong wrong.. This whole situation can be blamed on religion.. period.. no religion no problem..

religion then money

the root of all evil

Just my opinion

-k

not bad at all... i would say.

[*El Diablo*]

their both wrong..

anytime someone says something that is related to god, and someone gets shot for it,, their wrong., Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc etc.. all wrong.. wrong wrong wrong wrong.. This whole situation can be blamed on religion.. period.. no religion no problem..

religion then money

the root of all evil

Just my opinion

-k

Yeah i also like the way this sounds. Religion is the biggest F*ckup ever.
Money... ? I like money..

[Persistence2012]

If someone doesn't see the 1940s situation in Israel as being analagous to Native American Indians coming to your town and evicting you and all of your neighbors because they lived there at one time centuries ago, then there is no point in arguing with that person.

Palestinians occupied the land most recently, and therefore they should be able to live there as citizens. Not the second class citizens that they are under the apartheid Israeli regime, where food, water, and medical care are used as weapons against 2 million innocent people. Causing 2 million people to suffer for the crimes of MAYBE a few THOUSAND terrorists will never be justified in my eyes, all politics aside.

What we have now is a big f**ing mess, and in my PERSONAL opinion the only solution would be a 2 state solution, and I use the word solution very hesitantly.

This.

I give you my measly reps, may the force and reps guide you. lulz

But on more serious note, i believe the issue at hand that is consistently being overlooked is the fact that israel's population is no way in a consensus that stipulates they want "a jewish country".

Rather a significant amount of jews are opposed to the creationism of a single jewish country (specifically orthodox and many other well known sects), and many of the adherents are aware that whatever destruction and potential threats that they currently and may face in the future is to the bringing of their own demise.

Alot of jews in the world are ashamed to be called "israeli", such as the huge movement on the net, google jews against zionism, which is against the discrimintion of other entities for the satisifcation of zionist's desires'.

In fact, i'd extend the notion and postulate that the jews in US who were surveyed, testified that the creation of a jewish israel and their horrible genocidal crimes in the country has led to an increase of further racist attacks against them, leaving them to be further aliented in modern society.

So as a result, many of the jews, specifically orthodox, and some ashkanzi would like to reach a settlement agreement with the other side, and for once live in peace righteously.

On the otherhand, the palestinians are in no way united whatsoever. The goldstone report which was to conduct a report on israel's war crimes was stopped personally by the provincial leader of west bank province, who is in fact a palestinan and clearly has some large financial incentives with israeli neo cons.

The optimal resolution would be that the two entities be incorporated into a single unified region, probably called israesltine. It is more than obvious that there would be severe discourse among the population, but that is what the transition stage meant for. Eventually after a generation or two, I'm sure after cross-marriages and the development of a morphed dialect of hebrew and arabic languages, the next generations would be living side by side in a harmonial and equilibrium state.

[Times Roman]

I'm not on any side. But the jews were artificially transplanted there shortly after ww2 by the british, which pissed the arabs off to a high degree. So I will say I do understand their being pissed off.

[wmaousley]

I'm not on any side. But the jews were artificially transplanted there shortly after ww2 by the british, which pissed the arabs off to a high degree. So I will say I do understand their being pissed off.

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

[wmaousley]

Yeah i also like the way this sounds. Religion is the biggest F*ckup ever.
Money... ? I like money..

As Trick Daddy said, Christians, Jews and Muslims are all gods children

[Flagg]

Nice bump.

The problem is, most Muslim nations have as much contempt for Palestinians as Israeli's do. Another problem with the world today, is that shit that happens to the Palestinians is just allowed to happen. Look at Syria. Im getting sick of all these UN meetings and Politicians "condemning" the actions of Assad, but not doing one thing to stop it.

[Persistence2012]

I'm not on any side. But the jews were artificially transplanted there shortly after ww2 by the british, which pissed the arabs off to a high degree. So I will say I do understand their being pissed off.

Im sure i speak on behalf of alot of people, and say your posts are much appreciated. I personally am in favour of always approaching every topic or issue with an unbiased approach, yet alot of individuals whom profess they share the same tendencies, tend to negate that concept altogether, and enter in discussions with a biased perception.

[Persistence2012]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

Lol, though I can see the advantages of following through with your approach, there is one problem that remains; this pales-israel issue is merely an epitome of all the problems that exist in modern society.

Or in other words, there are numerous cases like this all around the world, its just that this israel-palest tends to garner the most media attention. So in all reality, it doesn't become feasible to follow suit with that solution as were looking for a general solution that can be used to dismantle hatred between two groups all around the world.

[Persistence2012]

Nice bump.

The problem is, most Muslim nations have as much contempt for Palestinians as Israeli's do. Another problem with the world today, is that shit that happens to the Palestinians is just allowed to happen. Look at Syria. Im getting sick of all these UN meetings and Politicians "condemning" the actions of Assad, but not doing one thing to stop it.

I agree, a prime example needs to be set to dissuade others from following en-suit with a similar dictatorship in the future.

[Times Roman]

i read a bumper sticker the other day that read....

ORGANIZED RELIGION...
...the biggest scam ever!

I am having a hard time disputing that idea, personally.

[Times Roman]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

[Persistence2012]

i read a bumper sticker the other day that read....

ORGANIZED RELIGION...
...the biggest scam ever!

I am having a hard time disputing that idea, personally.

lol made me lol inrl.

[Persistence2012]

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

I could see that as a feasible secondary option, but i still believe the best thing is to mix the two together, let them work it out for a generation, and have their second - third generations live in harmony with each other. It would be similar to the treatment given to the natives here in North America and Austraila.

[Times Roman]

I could see that as a feasible secondary option, but i still believe the best thing is to mix the two together, let them work it out for a generation, and have their second - third generations live in harmony with each other. It would be similar to the treatment given to the natives here in North America and Austraila.

How long do you think the palestinians would survive if we turned a blind eye and let the two factions "work it out?"

[Persistence2012]

How long do you think the palestinians would survive if we turned a blind eye and let the two factions "work it out?"

That's being done for the past several years actually lol.

There was a war, and it was barely picked up by main stream media in 2009/2010.

There are homes and what not consistently destroyed and settlements expanded all on a daily basis, so im pretty sure they've gotten used to not relying on us. =)

[Times Roman]

That's being done for the past several years actually lol.

There was a war, and it was barely picked up by main stream media in 2009/2010.

There are homes and what not consistently destroyed and settlements expanded all on a daily basis, so im pretty sure they've gotten used to not relying on us. =)

true. but if we truly turned a blind eye, and if the jews felt there would be NO reprecussions, NONE, THEN how long do you think it would take before the Jews completely wipe out the palastinians?

[wmaousley]

disagree.

but it would have been nice if instead of putting the Jews where they were placed, maybe give them an island off to the side and by themselves. This would have prevented much of the worlds troubles today.

And the Palestenians blame me "the Americans" for the Israelis being were they are, however we didnt put them there, tha damn Brits did.

[Matt]

I would like to see Iran obtain their nuclear weapon soon, its far time those jews where finished.....

[Times Roman]

I would like to see Iran obtain their nuclear weapon soon, its far time those jews where finished.....

my personal opinion is that Iran should NOT be allowed a nuclear weapon. Iran is more or less equivalent to a dictatorship, and can do pretty much whatever it pleases (regardless what the ggeneral population wants). Allowing them a weapon would also give them the ability of holding the UN and the west hostage to whatever demands they make. Ultimately, it complicates things in an already tense situation.

[Matt]

my personal opinion is that Iran should NOT be allowed a nuclear weapon. Iran is more or less equivalent to a dictatorship, and can do pretty much whatever it pleases (regardless what the ggeneral population wants). Allowing them a weapon would also give them the ability of holding the UN and the west hostage to whatever demands they make. Ultimately, it complicates things in an already tense situation.

You've just described the Israelis to the letter...

[wmaousley]

You've just described the Israelis to the letter...

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you MATT

[rampaige77]

We should wipe them both off the face of the earth so we can free up money we give to them annually, give the UN something else to mediate, build a nice beach resort, free up the news channels from having to cover their issues, and the list goes on and on.

Fvck both Palesteine and Israel

i concure with you we give the jews so much money its insane & they disregard the rights & freedom of other countrys to further there own adjenda example the illegal entry into Argentina to kidnap Adolf Eichman after they were told no by that government then promptly executed him for war crimes. Not condoning nazis but must respect the laws of other nations while in there juristiction

[Times Roman]

In response to some....

I strongly believe that it wouuld be better for all, including the jews (only in the long term) if we STOP subsidizing most foreign nations, including Isreal.

[Simon1972]

In response to some....

I strongly believe that it wouuld be better for all, including the jews (only in the long term) if we STOP subsidizing most foreign nations, including Isreal.

agreed, speaking of Jews why do alot of them have last names that revolve around money?

examples: Goldman,Golberg, Silverman, Diamond, Silverstein,Cassirer (Yiddish for Cash),Bogatch (Polish- meaning "wealthy"),Finkelstein (dealing in diamonds),Goldblum,Lehman/n (money lender)Steuer- (tax collector),Sticker- (gold worker)

[CLAVHAMMER]

I know a self hating Jew that has a German name

[Far from massive]

true. but if we truly turned a blind eye, and if the jews felt there would be NO reprecussions, NONE, THEN how long do you think it would take before the Jews completely wipe out the palastinians?

I just happened to see this old thread and read most of it and found it very interesting.

However as far as Israel wiping out the Palastinians...I don't think it would stop at that, I feel many arab neighbors would get involved...Hence the real reason for the republicans apparently being led like a dog by the wealthy Jews to maintain a peaceful middle east....If Israel used nukes and wiped out most of the middle east that would put Jews in charge of oil prices,,,,This is a Texans greatest nightmare!!! Bush and his buddies may not be intellectuals but they are not complete morons either LOL


PS This comment by Crazy Rocks should add him to the list of great Jewish comics,

kratos, may you experience great maintenance of successful anaboliccycles .
may every anti zionist receive side effects .

[odi et amo]

they are both being irrational and stupid. I don't like either of them. both sides really do not want this to end. sometimes you gotta just give, you know. it's how civilisations are built.

[tankerlife4ever]

they are both being irrational and stupid. I don't like either of them. both sides really do not want this to end. sometimes you gotta just give, you know. it's how civilisations are built.

So many things to comment on but I would vote both.

The reason is not soley money as many might say...Israel now has a self-sufficient economy and as of 2007 stopped receiving 'Aid'. However since then Israel receives roughly 3 billion dollars a year of which 75% they spend on American Defence Equipment (jets, helo, weapons, gear, logistic support etc). So of the 3 billion dollars 75% is spent back on USA built stuff.

Secondly, the reason for current USA support of Israel is both the result of the past history, the large jewish population that is American, and right wing evangelical Christianity's ideological love of Israel which is by far the most logically unjustified and dangerous.

Third, subsidies. Subsidies are not evil. Without subsidies the North American Colonies would not have survived. Subsidies build partnerships and the last thing most western nations want is for the smaller developing and troubled nations to start getting their subsidies from either Russia or China...It's a political game that has to be played and in the case of Israel it pays off huge for the the defence industry of North America.

Fourth and finally, the biggest problem with reconciliation between the parties is the extreme on both sides. The day Israel became a nation all their Arab neighbours attacked them with the intent of whiping them off the map. Israel's ultra Orthodox continue to grow as a percentage of the population and are degenerating back to pre feminism, pre democracy, pre secularist gains of western society.

But what's done is done as far as land goes and if you want Israel to disband and open it's borders to Arab immigrants who would instantly democratically vote away their human rights to Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood, then most of us are gonna have to move because our forefathers stole most of this land from the Indians, and used several million african slaves to develop it.
Fortunately I can just go to the gym in peace...

ps. if you want to know why so many ashkenazi jews (european jews) are in the financial sector or have names like goldberg just look into the persecution of Jews by the Catholic Church