ACORN at it again!!!

[starkiller]

Honestly, how often does Fox News publish stories that are not true?

Are you kidding me, what other news agency is even coving this huge story, and mind you the American people are paying for this through their tax system and the government just gives this radical organization as much money as it needs to stay in business. This will be stopping soon.

[Nooomoto]

Are you kidding me, what other news agency is even coving this huge story, and mind you the American people are paying for this through their tax system and the government just gives this radical organization as much money as it needs to stay in business. This will be stopping soon.

Indeed. If you want to see an MSNBC or CNN story on the subject, you have to search for it on their website...it's not on the front page or listed in the displayed headlines. Even then they are slow to update. The amount of people just blowing this off and ignoring it is mind-boggling to me.

[starkiller]

Indeed. If you want to see an MSNBC or CNN story on the subject, you have to search for it on their website...it's not on the front page or listed in the displayed headlines. Even then they are slow to update. The amount of people just blowing this off and ignoring it is mind-boggling to me.

Did you see the new vid beck laid out today SHOCKING to say the least.

[mho]

Are you kidding me, what other news agency is even coving this huge story, and mind you the American people are paying for this through their tax system and the government just gives this radical organization as much money as it needs to stay in business. This will be stopping soon.

I think you misunderstood my stance. As far as I'm concerned Fox is the only reason this story hasn't been swept under the rug.

[Nooomoto]

Did you see the new vid beck laid out today SHOCKING to say the least.

Yeah I watched the whole hour. Incredible. That woman was blabbering on about how to seduce bank presidents to get loans to start a prostitution biz? Come on!!!! Then she goes on to talk about how she killed her husband....

[Nooomoto]

DEVELOPING: ACORN said Wednesday it will stop any "new intakes" — essentially closing its doors to new clients — until it completes an internal investigation prompted by the release of four hidden-camera videos showing workers advising a fake pimp and prostitute to lie to get loans for a brothel.


How can they do that, but at the same time talk about taking "legal action" against Fox News and the makers of the videos? Another example of an organization refusing to take responsibility for it's actions...they didn't feel bad about any of this until they got caught.

[Tock]

How can they do that, but at the same time talk about taking "legal action" against Fox News and the makers of the videos?

In some states, you can record anything in a public place. In other states, you gotta have permission of everyone involved in a recording. They didn't get everyone's permission before they filmed with their hidden camera.

Another example of an organization refusing to take responsibility for it's actions...they didn't feel bad about any of this until they got caught.

"They?" Who, exactly, are "They?"

The CEO of ACORN went on CNN and said that what the videos show is not what they allow to go on in their organization.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/16/us....st#cnnSTCVideo

[Nooomoto]

Well they may not "allow" it, but when it happens over, and over, and over, and over again you have to wonder. If everything is howdy doody then why is ACORN now "vowing to reform"?

[Bull_Nuts]

In some states, you can record anything in a public place. In other states, you gotta have permission of everyone involved in a recording. They didn't get everyone's permission before they filmed with their hidden camera.

Im pretty sure the rules for gaining consent are intended to protect people's private information from being stollen...i seriously doubt it would apply to a situation as such.

I'm all for using video to catch crooks, but (1) O'Keefe is not a cop, SO?(2) if he thought crimes were being committed he should have reported it to authorities,MAYBE...because ACORN would have no doubt paid to have it swept under the rug... (3) his videos cost several people their jobs, this is a bad thing?(4) he deceived people to get them to say some stupid things (which they may not have ever said, had it not been for his actions),i think if you go to the extent of bragging about killing your husband to a random stranger you probably would have said it anyway...i mean, what do you think the guy said to get her to say that?... Um.."kill anyone lately?" (5) no crimes were committed, other than his own transgressions. In return for the loss of several people's jobs, he gets fame, notoriety, and possible job offers for himself."except for the likelyhood that they(ACORN)had instigated hundreds if not thousands of fraudulent cases resulting in millions-billions in expenses to the taxpayer...including YOU...that is if they make gays pay taxes(jk)

in bold

[Tock]

Well they may not "allow" it, but when it happens over, and over, and over, and over again you have to wonder. If everything is howdy doody then why is ACORN now "vowing to reform"?

I imagine it would be like some Texas state agencies vowing to reform after someone blows the whistle on them.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Schools
. . . On May 20, 2009, the state reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice on a comprehensive action plan to improve care and coordination of services for persons who reside at state schools. The agreement outlines the state's plan to address issues identified by the Department of Justice in 2006 and 2008.

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Maybe ACORN can reform, and maybe the State of Texas can reform its state schools. I doubt either will happen in the near term. What to do in the meantime? I dunno.

[Tock]

Im pretty sure the rules for gaining consent are intended to protect people's private information from being stollen...i seriously doubt it would apply to a situation as such.

In some states, like Maryland, it does.

[Bull_Nuts]

In some states, like Maryland, it does.

and the b@stards will get away with it because of it...

[kickinit]

Maybe you haven't figured this out by now, but video and sound recordings are fairly easy to edit. Anyone who beleives everything that appears on their TV screen is a fool.
And the video that FoxNews has shows a lot of blank office wall and not very much of people talking. It wouldn't be difficult at all to re-dub the video to make it seem that the ACORN people were behind the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby.

We've seen what FoxNews has to say about this. All we really know from them is that they've broadcast a news story alleging ACORN staffers are crooks.

Here's what the folks at ACORN have to say:

http://acorn.org/index.php?id=12066&...F%BD&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=22581&tx_ttnews[backPid]=12065&cHash=b735bbfbb1

Statement from Bertha Lewis, Chief Organizer, ACORN Regarding Recent News Reports

The relentless attacks on ACORN's members, its staff and the policies and positions we promote are unprecedented. An international entertainment conglomerate, disguising itself as a "news" agency (Fox), has expended millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, in their attempt to destroy the largest community organization of Black, Latino, poor and working families in the country. It is not coincidence that the most recent attacks have been launched just when health care reform is gaining traction. It is clear they've had these tapes for months.

We are their Willy Horton for 2009. We are the boogeyman for the right-wing and its echo chambers. If ACORN did not exist, the right-wing would have needed to create us in order to achieve their agenda, their missions, their ideal, retrograde America. This recent scam, which was attempted in San Diego, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia to name a few places, had failed for months before the results we've all recently seen. I am appalled and angry; I cannot and I will not defend the actions of the workers depicted in the video, who have since been terminated. But it is clear that the videos are doctored, edited, and in no way the result of the fabricated story being portrayed by conservative activist "filmmaker" O'Keefe and his partner in crime. And, in fact, a crime it was - our lawyers believe a felony - and we will be taking legal action against Fox and their co-conspirators.

We will not be intimidated by this international conglomerate, which has made as its mission the destruction of our organization. ACORN members are committed to the empowerment of their communities - Black, Latino, poor, and working families – at the deepest level. We are an organization committed to halting the foreclosure crisis and keeping people in their homes. We are an organization committed to ensuring quality, affordable health care for every American. We are an organization that will not be stopped in our commitment to our members and our communities which has included:

• Helping hundreds of thousands of African-American and Latino voters register to vote and get to the polls in recent years;
• Preparing, since 2004, approximately 150,000 free tax returns totaling $190 million in refunds and increased earned income tax credit participation;
• Providing effective foreclosure prevention advocacy saving thousands of American families from losing their homes to foreclosure.

[Ailes/Fox Letter 1 PDF]
[Ailes/Fox Letter 2 PDF]

12-09-09 15:22

So what we've got so far is a "He-said, She-said" dispute. ACORN claims FoxNews had been going around the country trying to find an ACORN employee to fall for their scam, and FoxNews admits that it was a scam. ACORN says they fired the people who fell for the scam, claims the people who were behind the scam committed a crime and have filed charges against the people responsible. ACORN says FoxNews have been trying for quite a while to dig up dirt on ACORN, and having failed, set up something similar to entrapment.

I don't know how this will all turn out. Time will tell.
But IMHO, FoxNews should content itself with reporting news, instead of busying itself with making news. Given its previous history of falsifying news stories, I doubt FoxNews will reform itself and become a force for good . . .

Get out the tin foil hat my liberal friend, you prefer made up news rather then real news. It's just in your head, but you will never get past it, shame...

[kickinit]

I imagine it would be like some Texas state agencies vowing to reform after someone blows the whistle on them.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Schools
. . . On May 20, 2009, the state reached an agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice on a comprehensive action plan to improve care and coordination of services for persons who reside at state schools. The agreement outlines the state's plan to address issues identified by the Department of Justice in 2006 and 2008.

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Maybe ACORN can reform, and maybe the State of Texas can reform its state schools. I doubt either will happen in the near term. What to do in the meantime? I dunno.

I guess you come on a steroid forum and complain about GAY issues and FOX news.

[Bull_Nuts]

I guess you come on a steroid forum and complain about GAY issues and FOX news.

Im not on tock's side or anything but you do realize YOU too, came on a steroid forum to complain about gays and ACORN...

isn't that a bit hypocritical?

[BgMc31]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lies-in-house/

ABOUT F*CKING TIME!!!

Yeah, I know that's not what anyone expected to hear out of ME! LOL!! I'm all for legitimate groups trying to get equal access for everyone, but when you manipulate the system this is exactly what you deserve!!!!

[Mooseman33]

bgmc...
great post man.

[starkiller]

Full fledge investigation voted on by congress into the organization Acorn. All Government funding is has been stopped and will not resume with Acorn. Progress is being made. Keep up the good work People. "By the people for the people"

[Nooomoto]

Full fledge investigation voted on by congress into the organization Acorn. All Government funding is has been stopped and will not resume with Acorn. Progress is being made. Keep up the good work People. "By the people for the people"

...and yet some still choose to keep their eyes closed and won't admit whats going on.

[kickinit]

Im not on tock's side or anything but you do realize YOU too, came on a steroid forum to complain about gays and ACORN...

isn't that a bit hypocritical?

I talk steroids and working out quite a bit, I just come here to play his game. BUT this is ALL he does is copy and paste shit because he has no real knowledge himself.

[kickinit]

...and yet some still choose to keep their eyes closed and won't admit whats going on.

Come on man don't talk about TOCK like that

[Bull_Nuts]

I talk steroids and working out quite a bit, I just come here to play his game. BUT this is ALL he does is copy and paste shit because he has no real knowledge himself.

good point...

[starkiller]

In some states, you can record anything in a public place. In other states, you gotta have permission of everyone involved in a recording. They didn't get everyone's permission before they filmed with their hidden camera.









"They?" Who, exactly, are "They?"

The CEO of ACORN went on CNN and said that what the videos show is not what they allow to go on in their organization.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/16/us....st#cnnSTCVideo

Look lets not nit-pick here, the bottom line is they are corrupt! What if i see someone robbing a bank and I take another persons cell phone to call the police and after all said and done "they" say you cant do that because the phone wasnt yours is abaout as luda as the idea that "they didnt have permission to video tape this corruption" It is a tactict to shift blame. Accept it and move on besides this is old news now and there are other juicier issues about to come. Stay tuned!