here is your reform...

[Mooseman33]

http://biggovernment.com/2009/10/30/...rs/#more-23042

read the link.
how long will we allow this to happen.

[PistolPete33]

We're going to allow it as long as these Socialist Liberals are in office and have full control. Funny how they HAVE TO PASS THIS BILL ASAP yet it won't go into effect until AFTER the 2012 elections. I wonder if they KNOW they won't get voted back into office when it passes. The latest report shows that our premiums will tripple with the passage of this bill. But, don't worry all the losers that choose not to work will have health care. No sweat though because we'll get to pay for them.

They are basically going to add a layer before you can open a malpractice lawsuit. You will have to go thru a government bouracracy before you are able to get a lawyer. Sounds like an extra step of B.S. and MORE tax payer money.

Funny how they are bragging the stimulous bill is creating jobs yet we lost another 500,000 jobs last month. If you lose 500,000 jobs and create 2000 jobs you've LOST 498,000 jobs. Funny how they can put their spin on anything....

[hybrid83]

I dont see how you can believe such spin. How will your premiums double. And if they do switch to the cheaper government healthcare. At least then you know you will be covered as the government wont be able to turn you down for pre-existing conditions.

Come on guys the rich elite is trying to divide us. Even if they do raise taxes it will be on people who earn $500,000 or more a year. If you earn that quit your bitchin and let me borrow your Ferrari LOL.

[PistolPete33]

I dont see how you can believe such spin. How will your premiums double. And if they do switch to the cheaper government healthcare. At least then you know you will be covered as the government wont be able to turn you down for pre-existing conditions.

Come on guys the rich elite is trying to divide us. Even if they do raise taxes it will be on people who earn $500,000 or more a year. If you earn that quit your bitchin and let me borrow your Ferrari LOL.

You're the one buying into the media B.S. When you raise taxes on the Rich you screw the working class... HOW??? Easily, when the job creators (Rich people with businesses) get taxed more they won't lose profits they will do 2 things. 1 they will lay more people off and 2 they will increase the cost of the items they are selling to compensate for the additional expenses. And, worst case scenario is they will close up shop and move it to China.

And how will Health Costs go up??? You're kidding right??? First the Government will make crazy regulations that will increase our costs and our premiums will go up. Also, everyone that is in my health care program is a contributor. Now you take a noncontributor and add them to the group and guess who pays for this person? Oh we do... So, they get it for nothing.

They talk about Choice and Competition but when the Government run program runs out of money (which it doesn't even have any to begin with) they will just keep borrowing putting us into a deeper recession.

Obama and his corrupt administration has increased the defecit more than all presidents from George Washington to George W Bush COMBINED... And, he did it in only 8 months....

Socialized medicare is a failure the same as Social Security, the Post Office, RMV, etc etc. I don't want some politician deciding if I live or die. This program is a failure and this administration is a failure...

[PistolPete33]

If they really wanted to help the U.S. people they would allow insurance companies to sell policies over state lines. This is where the B.S. and high costs come. This would bring in more real competition. I know some people can't get policies because of previous conditions and there should be reform of some sort for these people for sure but the government option is not the way to do this.

People should have the option of a private health account that we are able to choose ANY insurance company based on OUR needs not the NEEDS of someone trying to turn this country into a 3rd world country. Some reform needs to happen for sure but this is not the right choice.

[hybrid83]

Dude your just spotting ridiculous red erect...listen to your self..."Yeah the big bad govment gonna come in and tell us who lives who dies" Next you'll be saying "there comin to get our guns next" Thats nonsense told by a rich elite to ignorant people. Right now those insurance companies dont give dick if you live or die. There fighting as hard to keep you from collecting anything.

As far as changing the insurance companies to compete over state lines, or any reform for that matter. It just won't happen. There is already far to much legislation exempting insurance companies from any kind of competion. In essence they can all go in a room, and say "well how much do you want to charge guys?" No other business can do this, why them. We would shit our pants if Microsoft was doing this with Google.

And I hate it when people who aren't rich defend them. Like O if we tax them, they'll get mad at us and pass it down. You know what f em. Back before the banks infiltrated government the richest paid 90% of all the taxes....And you know what, THEY WERE STILL RICH. The middle class stood a chance. Now with all the tax breaks, whats left of the middle class pays all the taxes.

Stop being a lap dog waiting for your turn to be rich. Yeah you might make it up there, but do you ever think you will be equal. These families have controlled the wealth for centuries and you think they'll let you in the club.

Bottom line your cost will not go up, and more than likely your gonna pay less if you switch, and your coverage would be guaranteed. I'm speaking from experience. Why should only the rich or extremely poor have the best insurance? Why not U?

P.S. Obama is a puppet for the rich elite. I don't give a care about him, but even he knows if he doesn't do something about healthcare were coming for that ass....

[hybrid83]

And honestly this isn't really the place for this type of discussion, as this is a roid website. I was kinda bored earlier and felt chatty. I could really care less what anyone thinks on this subject. It's out of our hands. Lets hope Merril Lynce and Goldman Sachs make the right decision.

[PistolPete33]

It's the liberals that don't think it's "FAIR" that some people are rich and others are poor. I make a great living and can provide a lot for myself and my family. The government has NO right to take my money to give to someone that didn't get an education because they feel it is fair or to someone that doesn't want to work. Socialism do NOT work and you have no opportunity for growth. You need to stop watching BSNBC and see how this country is going down hill.

Funny how these liberals hate the rich Elite yet they are all Rich Elite... Nancy Pelosi with her 21% approval rate is a rich elite. If all these Hollywood actors wanted to fix this health care problem they have more than enough money to help people without healthcare without screwing all the people that have health care and like their service. In Canada the average wait time in an emergency room is 23 hours. I don't want that here.

[PistolPete33]

You talk about greed and yet no other company is out to make a profit. Then you refer to Google yet they are MUCH more profitable than ANY insurance company. Their profit margins are HUGE... So, we must get away with that. Oh, and Bill Gates from Microsoft, oh yeah he's only one of the richest guys in the world. You make absolutely NO sense.

Too many people can easily afford Health Care but they CHOOSE not to have it so they can buy X-Boxes and Designer shoes etc. Most of the people in the U.S. without health care are Illegals and 18-22 year olds that don't think they need it and they can easily afford it. Oh, and the good news is with the new bill we will be paying for all these ILLEGALS. Total bullshit...