Mosque approved at Ground Zero

***D7M*** · 08-03-2010, 10:22 AM

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...urdle/?apage=1

**ALTOP** · 08-05-2010, 09:16 PM

It isn't right on top of ground zero. It is just a mosque. Also, not all Muslims or Arabs are terrorists.

**ALTOP** · 08-05-2010, 09:28 PM

It will still be looked at as a slap in the face by many people. I am sure most everyone can agree on that.

**stevey_6t9** · 08-06-2010, 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by ALTOP

It isn't right on top of ground zero. It is just a mosque. Also, not all Muslims or Arabs are terrorists.

but 99% of terrorists are muslims.

i hope the mosque gets blown up if it goes ahead, a little eye for an eye.

**Ernst** · 08-06-2010, 05:06 AM

Do they have a right to do it? Yes. But it is in extremely poor taste and I would hope they would recognize that.

**Flagg** · 08-06-2010, 06:08 AM

Mosques do not equate to jihad, though having had time to think about it, it's probably a little inappropriate to build so close to Ground Zero.

But to be honest, a lot of conspiracists still maintain that it the manufactured by the Bush Administration, so a church would equally be as offensive.

I personally don't care for Churchs or Mosques. I'd prefer a McDonalds instead.

**MACHINE5150** · 08-06-2010, 06:24 AM

Not all muslims are terrorists, and any assumption they are is ignorant.

Furthermore, i should inform you that the Religous right in the Southern states of America (i.e. Bush and friends) are far more scary then the religous nuts in Afghanistan..

We (Christians/Jews/Muslims) need to move forward and tackle the extremists together.. whether they be Jihadist, Zionists or Witch Hunting Christians...

**MACHINE5150** · 08-06-2010, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by stevey_6t9

i hope the mosque gets blown up if it goes ahead, a little eye for an eye.

Should Poland not allow christian churches in thier country because Hitler was a chrisitan and not a Catholic??? you can't blame an entire religion for the extremism of a few.. otherwise you wil have to blame all christians in america for the actions of the KKK

**Colts18** · 08-06-2010, 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

Not all muslims are terrorists, and any assumption they are is ignorant.

Furthermore, i should inform you that the Religous right in the Southern states of America (i.e. Bush and friends) are far more scary then the religous nuts in Afghanistan..

We (Christians/Jews/Muslims) need to move forward and tackle the extremists together.. whether they be Jihadist, Zionists or Witch Hunting Christians...

I hope you don't believe that. I agree that not all muslims are terrorists, and they have been largely stereotyped, but the extremists in the middle east are on a different level than the most extreme racist redneck hick in the south. When was the last time a redneck blew himself up in a market for his god?

**dec11** · 08-06-2010, 10:54 PM

it would seem in very poor taste to me, but then any country having a twat like Bush in power for so long is capable of any stupidity

**n00bs** · 08-07-2010, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

Should Poland not allow christian churches in thier country because Hitler was a chrisitan and not a Catholic??? you can't blame an entire religion for the extremism of a few.. otherwise you wil have to blame all christians in america for the actions of the KKK

Umm catholacism is a form of Christianity...

**lankykid234** · 08-07-2010, 06:51 AM

Absolutely no big deal with a Mosque being built TWO blocks away from Ground Zero.

Lest we forget, Muslims did die in the WTC attacks. So even if a mosque is built, why can't it be built in the honor of those Muslims who died that day?

America is a place of religious freedom, if Muslim Extremists hate us for that, so be it. They can stay in their own country. Many people immigrated here because of USAs policies, opportunities, and freedom. Why are we going to take it away now?

I'm not a Muslim, but as a guy living in NJ, and getting the view of other Muslims around me, you can tell that the mosque is just a place of worship and not a slap in the face for 9/11 as some people claim it to be.

The World media is making it seem as if Islam and Muslims are the worst thing ever which is entirely untrue. Maybe 0.1% of the 1.2 billion Muslims in the world are terrorist, and the only reason they've been able to cause so much damage is because they have immense funds from the natural resources they are able to consume from the Earth.

Why are you getting angry at the normal Muslims who are living their day to day lives assimilated in their new culture? It just makes us Americans seem ignorant as shit and it saddens me to see especially since it is 2010.

By the way, my mom lost a good friend on 9/11, and even she isn't against the mosque being built.

**MACHINE5150** · 08-07-2010, 07:00 AM

Originally Posted by Colts18

I hope you don't believe that. I agree that not all muslims are terrorists, and they have been largely stereotyped, but the extremists in the middle east are on a different level than the most extreme racist redneck hick in the south. When was the last time a redneck blew himself up in a market for his god?

blow up yourself in a market = kill 20 people

blow up an entire city with Tomahawk missles = kill thousands..

Bush got elected because the South voted according to thier religous ethics and not what was best for America, therefore they are scarier..

Also, i do believe it was not too long ago that (KKK)were running around the south burning black people alive in the name of "Christ"...

**MACHINE5150** · 08-07-2010, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by n00bs

Umm catholacism is a form of Christianity...

muslims, jews and christians all derive from the same people and same general principles.. all religions are more similar than one may first percieve

**LawMan018** · 08-09-2010, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

blow up yourself in a market = kill 20 people

blow up an entire city with Tomahawk missles = kill thousands..

Bush got elected because the South voted according to thier religous ethics and not what was best for America, therefore they are scarier..

Also, i do believe it was not too long ago that (KKK)were running around the south burning black people alive in the name of "Christ"...

I find several things blatantly wrong with some of your information. First of all, unless it's come into light recently, I don't know of any documents that stated Hitler was a Christian. In fact, here is a quote from Hitler himself.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

Also, as far as extreme southern right wingers go (aka hicks, hillbillies)... I was never aware of them having access to Tomahawk missiles, let alone the brains to actually fire them. Again, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this would have made headline news.

And lastly, on the issue this thread was intended for. Sure they can legally build a Mosque there... Sure Muslims were also in the Towers when they fell... But is it right? When the American people hear WTC they think terrorists. When they think terrorists they think Muslims. When they hear a Mosque is being built near ground zero what do they/we think? I think the opinion of the American people should ultimately decide upon the construction of said Mosque. legal or not it's immorally wrong.

P.S. I was never aware Hitler was Polish

**n00bs** · 08-09-2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

muslims, jews and christians all derive from the same people and same general principles.. all religions are more similar than one may first percieve

Except we dont go to paradise to have sex with children for killing innocent people in the name our of 'god'.

Nor do we beat women or stone a women to death because she was raped because she is now unclean...

Yep same principles....

Go to Saudi and live see if they give 2 ****s about your point of view or your freedom infidel...

**stevey_6t9** · 08-09-2010, 10:56 PM

**tembe** · 08-10-2010, 04:45 AM

nothing against muslims but no this is not right

for the ppl that were lost and for the general public...

i would be personally disgusted and im not even american

**Bluelabel** · 08-10-2010, 09:42 AM

kind of ironic isnt it.. sick world we live in imo

**BJJ** · 08-10-2010, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Bluelabel

kind of ironic isnt it.. sick world we live in imo

Wise words, though I would change them in:

Sick people dwell in this planet.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-10-2010, 04:37 PM

Yes We Can!

lol

If we all played eye for eye, the world would be blind.

But in this case, **** it, I wouldn't lose any sleep if that place burned to the ground.

**MACHINE5150** · 08-10-2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by LawMan018

I find several things blatantly wrong with some of your information. First of all, unless it's come into light recently, I don't know of any documents that stated Hitler was a Christian. In fact, here is a quote from Hitler himself.

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things."

Also, as far as extreme southern right wingers go (aka hicks, hillbillies)... I was never aware of them having access to Tomahawk missiles, let alone the brains to actually fire them. Again, I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure this would have made headline news.

And lastly, on the issue this thread was intended for. Sure they can legally build a Mosque there... Sure Muslims were also in the Towers when they fell... But is it right? When the American people hear WTC they think terrorists. When they think terrorists they think Muslims. When they hear a Mosque is being built near ground zero what do they/we think? I think the opinion of the American people should ultimately decide upon the construction of said Mosque. legal or not it's immorally wrong.

P.S. I was never aware Hitler was Polish

Sorry, re hitler his mom was Catholic, his dad Christian. The swastika was a cross.. he had many religous (cult like) beliefs and had the Nazi party pursue them.

Not the hillbillies shooting the missles themselves, but voting in idiot like Bush and generally stearing America in the wrong direction.

Never said he was Polish, he was Austrian.

I agree all/most terrorists are Muslim, but not all muslims are terrorists.

Maybe we should put a Mosque on the top of the new tower, then they won't blow it up.. oh wait, yeah they will because the terrorists don't give a shit about religion and only use it as an excuse to kill!!

***D7M*** · 08-10-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by MACHINE5150

Sorry, re hitler his mom was Catholic, his dad Christian. The swastika was a cross.. he had many religous (cult like) beliefs and had the Nazi party pursue them.

Not the hillbillies shooting the missles themselves, but voting in idiot like Bush and generally stearing America in the wrong direction.

Never said he was Polish, he was Austrian.

I agree all/most terrorists are Muslim, but not all muslims are terrorists.

Maybe we should put a Mosque on the top of the new tower, then they won't blow it up.. oh wait, yeah they will because the terrorists don't give a shit about religion and only use it as an excuse to kill!!

Just to be clear here,

yes the swastika is a type of cross,

but it's use by Hitler had nothing to do with Christianity.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-10-2010, 04:59 PM

***D7M*** · 08-10-2010, 05:00 PM

Yes we can!

**Mooseman33** · 08-10-2010, 09:19 PM

well i have been on the bench to long...

Fvck the nation of islam, fvck all muslims. every attack on the us in the last 10 years has been from a fcking muslim.
we have had this fight a thousand times on here.

the main backer of this fvking mosque has said time and time again america is responsible for 9-11....for are ways.
fck this guy, they can have fun finding a construction company to build the fvking thing.
then i hope it fvking burns down.

and for the reference of the KKK, what a fvking joke.
no excuse for them sorry fvcks either, but what a stupid comparison.

if this post offended anyone, well its my views, i guess u can call me ignorant..

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**NightWolf** · 08-13-2010, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

well i have been on the bench to long...

Fvck the nation of islam, fvck all muslims. every attack on the us in the last 10 years has been from a fcking muslim.
we have had this fight a thousand times on here.

the main backer of this fvking mosque has said time and time again america is responsible for 9-11....for are ways.
fck this guy, they can have fun finding a construction company to build the fvking thing.
then i hope it fvking burns down.

and for the reference of the KKK, what a fvking joke.
no excuse for them sorry fvcks either, but what a stupid comparison.

if this post offended anyone, well its my views, i guess u can call me ignorant..

How DARE you express your views on this PC board?!?!

**LawMan018** · 08-14-2010, 11:31 AM

You know... I've had a change of heart. I think they should be allowed to build a Mosque near ground zero... Also, on a lighter note, I'm building a white's only club at the former site of the Lorraine Motel in Memphis Tennessee. You know, where Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated? None of the people attending the club will have any association with him so don't you worry about offending anyone!

**MaNiCC** · 08-14-2010, 11:40 AM

I agree that not all muslims are terroists, However how could you be sure that the ones going to occupy the mosque wont be filled with extreme ideologies. I personally feel that it would be an insult to the memories of the 9/11 victims if a mosque was built. Why should countries like america and england tip toe round these religions

How long do you think a church would last in a muslim filled area in the middle east?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-14-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by D7M

Yes we can!

LOL

Obama just came out in the news the other day in strong support of this building. And Obama knows whats best.

Can you feel the change guys?!?!

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-14-2010, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by MaNiCC

I agree that not all muslims are terroists, However how could you be sure that the ones going to occupy the mosque wont be filled with extreme ideologies. I personally feel that it would be an insult to the memories of the 9/11 victims if a mosque was built. Why should countries like america and england tip toe round these religions

How long do you think a church would last in a muslim filled area in the middle east?

Because if you are mean to muslims, they'll kill you. Its like a slap in the face to us Americans, this building. But if they didn't allow it to be built, we would have more bombings out the ass.

LOL, exactly... like that last point.

**Mooseman33** · 08-14-2010, 05:32 PM

have i told u how much i hate muslims/
our president is such a fvking scumbag. im at a lost of words after hearing his scumbag speech giving his scumbag approval.

2012 cant come fas enough........

**BokBok** · 08-15-2010, 12:43 AM

Wow. So much ignorance in this thread.

If someone is a terrorist and they say "I'm a muslim", are they truly a Muslim or just some crazy moron?

Educate yourselves before you start hating people just because you don't understand something.

**LawMan018** · 08-15-2010, 05:57 AM

Originally Posted by BokBok

Wow. So much ignorance in this thread.

If someone is a terrorist and they say "I'm a muslim", are they truly a Muslim or just some crazy moron?

Educate yourselves before you start hating people just because you don't understand something.

That's exactly what a terrorist would say.

**MaNiCC** · 08-15-2010, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by BokBok

Wow. So much ignorance in this thread.

If someone is a terrorist and they say "I'm a muslim", are they truly a Muslim or just some crazy moron?

Educate yourselves before you start hating people just because you don't understand something.

Regardless of their mental state, if they are a believer in and follow islam then they are a muslim. Somebodys state of mind or mental capacity does not change the fact that they are a muslim. What dont we understand? dont you find it weird that there are many muslims who preach and carry out extremeist behaviours? or is it just me noticing the trend? If you have read the qur'an you will notice what maybe be fueling the religious extremeism

**LawMan018** · 08-15-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by MaNiCC

Regardless of their mental state, if they are a believer in and follow islam then they are a muslim. Somebodys state of mind or mental capacity does not change the fact that they are a muslim. What dont we understand? dont you find it weird that there are many muslims who preach and carry out extremeist behaviours? or is it just me noticing the trend? If you have read the qur'an you will notice what maybe be fueling the religious extremeism

I still disapprove of the Mosque, however, here's an interesting article from the mosty addicting work friendly website I've come across that might shed some light on common misbeliefs about Islam...

http://listverse.com/2009/07/10/top-...s-about-islam/

**Mooseman33** · 08-15-2010, 08:27 AM

tired of hearing about the mis-beliefs of islam...
start looking at the facts, and the facts are clear, them fvkers have tried and accomplished alot of destruction in America.
you can call them radicals, i call them all muslim terrorists.

it breads hate, a hate that drives people to blow up innocent people.
fvck islam..

i hope that was ignornant enough for u...

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 08-15-2010, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

tired of hearing about the mis-beliefs of islam...
start looking at the facts, and the facts are clear, them fvkers have tried and accomplished alot of destruction in America.
you can call them radicals, i call them all muslim terrorists.

it breads hate, a hate that drives people to blow up innocent people.
fvck islam..

i hope that was ignornant enough for u...

lol. And this is why I like you

**MaNiCC** · 08-15-2010, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

tired of hearing about the mis-beliefs of islam...
start looking at the facts, and the facts are clear, them fvkers have tried and accomplished alot of destruction in America.
you can call them radicals, i call them all muslim terrorists.

it breads hate, a hate that drives people to blow up innocent people.
fvck islam..

i hope that was ignornant enough for u...

Thats why your my brother