Obama!!!

[zaggahamma]

whats a promise anyway

oh and freshen up with posts 72 and 73

and quit watching the view

[mixtnconfuzd]

the person in the presidents seat doesnt matter because at the end of the day they all work for the same entity. its like thinking that a new manager at mcdonalds will change things around, nope only the owner will and the presidents are not the owners Last president to try and do what he thought was right and not listen to the true leaders of this country was JFK and he was killed for it

[bass]

to put it in a nutshell the first thing come to mind when i hear Obama is "Socialist" i can't wait for his ass to get kicked out of office, without a TelePrompter he's a blithering idiot, he has no clue how to be a president! we simply voted blindly for him, i didn't but i can understand why people wanted him over McPain.

[gymfu]

This country is now 16 trillion in debt! TRILLION! And the spending continues. The math on that comes out to every American owing 140k!
He has to go. He may have already done unrepairable financial damage. I don't like Mitt Romney but this deficit spending HAS to stop.

[bass]

i didn't like Romney in the beginning, but the more i learn about him the more i like him. would he be able to do anything for the economy?! that remains to be seen, but to be honest it doesn't matter who takes the white house as Long as Obama is gone.

[zaggahamma]

i didn't like Romney in the beginning, but the more i learn about him the more i like him. would he be able to do anything for the economy?! that remains to be seen, but to be honest it doesn't matter who takes the white house as Long as Obama is gone.

agree 100%

[Henryhill470]

Attachment 127704

Nuff said

[zaggahamma]

guess not

[gixxerboy1]

to put it in a nutshell the first thing come to mind when i hear Obama is "Socialist" i can't wait for his ass to get kicked out of office, without a TelePrompter he's a blithering idiot, he has no clue how to be a president! we simply voted blindly for him, i didn't but i can understand why people wanted him over McPain.

I honestly dont get how he is a socialist

This country is now 16 trillion in debt! TRILLION! And the spending continues. The math on that comes out to every American owing 140k!
He has to go. He may have already done unrepairable financial damage. I don't like Mitt Romney but this deficit spending HAS to stop.

the biggest things contributing to the debt is the wars, the bush tax cuts, medicare part D and the economy crashing. So less people are paying in to taxes, more people are collecting food stamps and unemployment. None of those were created by Obama.

Its like me starting a forest fire. Your trying to put it out. And im still running around pouring gas on it and blaming you for all the damage its caused.

[gymfu]

I honestly dont get how he is a socialist



the biggest things contributing to the debt is the wars, the bush tax cuts, medicare part D and the economy crashing. So less people are paying in to taxes, more people are collecting food stamps and unemployment. None of those were created by Obama.

Its like me starting a forest fire. Your trying to put it out. And im still running around pouring gas on it and blaming you for all the damage its caused.

Wrong, the Bush tax cuts are the only thing keeping this economy moving. Raising taxes stifles the economy and growth. Every time the government has lowered taxes tax revenues go up.

What people forget it is we all work for rich people. When they get tax breaks they get a pay raise and some of that money gets invested into their business, giving raises, hiring new employes, or creating new businesses all together.

Why do you think Obama reluctantly agreed to extend the tax cuts another year? He knows letting them expire will hurt the economy.

And Obama and his party are almost solely responsible for the economy, they took control of congress in 2006 The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months
later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES

It was his call to dump 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac.

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in
2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie
Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and his democratic controlled congress.



Lern the facts, stop listening the liberal media!

[gymfu]

I honestly dont get how he is a socialist



the biggest things contributing to the debt is the wars, the bush tax cuts, medicare part D and the economy crashing. So less people are paying in to taxes, more people are collecting food stamps and unemployment. None of those were created by Obama.

Its like me starting a forest fire. Your trying to put it out. And im still running around pouring gas on it and blaming you for all the damage its caused.

I will give you that the wars are expensive and Iraq was a mistake. But before you go blaming that all on Bush remember he gave Sadam months and months to comply, he used the UN to pressure him, then he got congressional approval, yes may democracts including Hillary agreed it was the right thing to do. We KNOW Sadom had WMD's he used them against his own people in the past. He just got rid of them or hid them.

And let's not forget this was shortly after 9/11. The greatest at attack this country has ever seen. Thousands of inosent civilians murdered in the most cheap cowardly way possible, all in front of our eyes on tv.

[bass]

Wrong, the Bush tax cuts are the only thing keeping this economy moving. Raising taxes stifles the economy and growth. Every time the government has lowered taxes tax revenues go up.

What people forget it is we all work for rich people. When they get tax breaks they get a pay raise and some of that money gets invested into their business, giving raises, hiring new employes, or creating new businesses all together.

Why do you think Obama reluctantly agreed to extend the tax cuts another year? He knows letting them expire will hurt the economy.

And Obama and his party are almost solely responsible for the economy, they took control of congress in 2006 The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months
later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES

It was his call to dump 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac.

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in
2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie
Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and his democratic controlled congress.

Lern the facts, stop listening the liberal media!

Very nicely said.

[Big Rob78]

Hey guys...great discussion. Important points that everyone here might want to know: the Democratic party is heavily lobbied by the pharmaceutical industries. And they make and pass laws and bills to benefit the pharmaceutical industries and then the FDA has to enforce it. The FDA is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical indsutries. Everyone that's paying attention to the world knows that the pharmaceutical industries are at war with the supplement industries.

[Big Rob78]

To further that last post, the Democrats are the ones trying to make the bills to outlaw supplements and were responsible for coming up with most of the prohormone bans. Examples: Democrat Senator Durbin's bill which would have effectively put all supplement companies out of business, costing millions of American jobs. And you can even watch Bigger Stronger Faster and watch how Joe Biden freaks out about people using supplements. Republicans will sign these bills because it's an easy way to look like they're working with the Democrats for bipartisanship. Bureacrats don't know what this stuff is. Mormon Republicans in Utah came up with the laws in the 90s to allow the supplement industry to operate without the scrutiny of the FDA (which is in the pocket of the pharmaceutical industries). If Obama gets re-elected, all prohormones will be banned and tougher laws will be inflicted on the supplement industries, which means that all supplements will about triple in price.

When you vote for a politician, you're not voting for the individual politicain's ideas and views (Obama or Romney). Romney's political friends and businessmen "Mormon brothers" won't let him screw their supplement businesses in Utah, so we probably won't see any further regulations on prohormones and supplements in Romney's first term.

Obama hasn't done that bad of a job so far, but the laws and bills that he's proposing for taxes and healthcare will be crippling for the economy during his second term. The cost of living could double if not triple, because the cost of running a business will drastically increase.

For me, this means less construction for the company I work for to bid on and less work for me, which is less money to spend on the already expensive cost of living.

I respect everyone's opinion, but people aren't looking at the bigger picture of the way this stuff works. Most Ivy League colleges have all the previous years' lectures online for free. I've been downloading them onto my Ipod and listening to business, political science, and economic courses as I work out for the last 2 years. I don't get any credits, but it makes you really smart and see the world for what it is.

[system admin]

I didnt read any posts and jumped right to my own, but for the record, I CAN NOT STAND HIM (to put it mildly)

[gixxerboy1]

Wrong, the Bush tax cuts are the only thing keeping this economy moving. Raising taxes stifles the economy and growth. Every time the government has lowered taxes tax revenues go up.

What people forget it is we all work for rich people. When they get tax breaks they get a pay raise and some of that money gets invested into their business, giving raises, hiring new employes, or creating new businesses all together.

Why do you think Obama reluctantly agreed to extend the tax cuts another year? He knows letting them expire will hurt the economy.

And Obama and his party are almost solely responsible for the economy, they took control of congress in 2006 The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies SET A RECORD of 52 STRAIGHT MONTHS of JOB GROWTH

January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House
Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate
Banking Committee. The economic meltdown that happened 15 months
later was in what part of the economy? BANKING AND FINANCIAL SERVICES

It was his call to dump 5-6 TRILLION Dollars of toxic loans on the economy from Fannie
Mae and Freddie Mac.

Bush asked Congress 17 TIMES to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in
2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie
Mac? OBAMA And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? OBAMA and his democratic controlled congress.



Lern the facts, stop listening the liberal media!

Really lets see. Clinton raised taxes and the revenue collected steadily increased. Bush cut taxes and the numbers steadily decreased.



I do agree to an extend about tax breaks giving people more capital to do more with their business. Now i do not know 1 business owner that needs another employee to be able to service their customers and will not hire them because of tax rates. Also i know of no business owner that will just hire someone because of the tax rates. You either need another employee or you dont. If your busy you hire someone.

[gixxerboy1]

I will give you that the wars are expensive and Iraq was a mistake. But before you go blaming that all on Bush remember he gave Sadam months and months to comply, he used the UN to pressure him, then he got congressional approval, yes may democracts including Hillary agreed it was the right thing to do. We KNOW Sadom had WMD's he used them against his own people in the past. He just got rid of them or hid them.

And let's not forget this was shortly after 9/11. The greatest at attack this country has ever seen. Thousands of inosent civilians murdered in the most cheap cowardly way possible, all in front of our eyes on tv.

i agree alot of people voted for Iraq when they shouldnt have.
He gave Sadam months to comply with what? Why did we target him to apply? What other country did we give an ultimatum? He didnt have WMD's anymore. Yes he did and used them in the past. And i completely agree that is and was wrong. But it was years earlier. So why were we going after them now? There were and are other countries that were doing worse to their people.

[zaggahamma]

I really liked the zero income tax and raise the sales tax idea

[bass]

I really liked the zero income tax and raise the sales tax idea

It's the way it should be, this way everyone pays the same.

[system admin]

Exactly. EVERYONE pays with a tax like that. The drug dealers, the crooked corporate types AND those on food stamps and welfare when they buy cell phones, car stereo, rims, guns, tv's. "Pay your fair share"..... Im F'n sick of hearing that from people who pay NOTHING in taxes every year. FAIR SHARE by definition would be that EVERYONE pay the same %.

Raise the taxes on businesses and you will have the employees taking the hit. Force me to pay for insurance when its not in my budget and the employee will ultimately pay. Businesses work on a profit loss statement and unlike Obama, a BUDGET! If their profit dips below a certain number, changes are made in the company. Usually the employees are some of the last to get cut or modified in a budget, but when that happens, the employees that did NOT get laid off will take up the slack and responsibilities widened all while not getting a pay increase. Sadly for America, when the economy tanked a few years ago, businesses learned that they COULD run their businesses with less staff. After all of the lay offs, many didn't rehire as their businesses recovered. They realized they didnt need them.

Enough on politics lol!

[gymfu]

Really lets see. Clinton raised taxes and the revenue collected steadily increased. Bush cut taxes and the numbers steadily decreased.



I do agree to an extend about tax breaks giving people more capital to do more with their business. Now i do not know 1 business owner that needs another employee to be able to service their customers and will not hire them because of tax rates. Also i know of no business owner that will just hire someone because of the tax rates. You either need another employee or you dont. If your busy you hire someone.

The receipts went up durring Clinton's presidency because he just happened to be president durring the Internet boom, the greatest economic boom ever!

The receipts went down slightly with th Bush tax cuts but they came back up. They are higher than ever now, and they STILL can't keep from spending trillions more then is coming in every single year. They are absolutely out of control. The answer is NOT giving any more of our money. They will just piss that away too.

And of course business owners will hire or expand when they are allowed to keep more of their money.

[gymfu]

i agree alot of people voted for Iraq when they shouldnt have.
He gave Sadam months to comply with what? Why did we target him to apply? What other country did we give an ultimatum? He didnt have WMD's anymore. Yes he did and used them in the past. And i completely agree that is and was wrong. But it was years earlier. So why were we going after them now? There were and are other countries that were doing worse to their people.

The UN sent inspectors in to check his weapons and he kicked them out, them he'd let them back in with enough pressure put on and he'd kick them back out. This happed several times. We, and the rest of the world, gave him more than enough time to do the right thing. As it turned out he must have been hiding or getting rid off his weapons with the time. We targeted him because he was crazy and dangerous, do you know what his sons were doing? One of them was snatching little girls, and I mean little girls, off the street and rapeing and killing them.

[gymfu]

Exactly. EVERYONE pays with a tax like that. The drug dealers, the crooked corporate types AND those on food stamps and welfare when they buy cell phones, car stereo, rims, guns, tv's. "Pay your fair share"..... Im F'n sick of hearing that from people who pay NOTHING in taxes every year. FAIR SHARE by definition would be that EVERYONE pay the same %.

Raise the taxes on businesses and you will have the employees taking the hit. Force me to pay for insurance when its not in my budget and the employee will ultimately pay. Businesses work on a profit loss statement and unlike Obama, a BUDGET! If their profit dips below a certain number, changes are made in the company. Usually the employees are some of the last to get cut or modified in a budget, but when that happens, the employees that did NOT get laid off will take up the slack and responsibilities widened all while not getting a pay increase. Sadly for America, when the economy tanked a few years ago, businesses learned that they COULD run their businesses with less staff. After all of the lay offs, many didn't rehire as their businesses recovered. They realized they didnt need them.

Enough on politics lol!

What's really sad is that the bottom wage earners get more money back then what they put in. So not only are they not paying any taxes they are burdening the rest of us.

[system admin]

Again.... "Fair Share" isnt so fair if you ask me.

[gixxerboy1]

What's really sad is that the bottom wage earners get more money back then what they put in. So not only are they not paying any taxes they are burdening the rest of us.

i agree the tax code isnt fair. But it isnt fair for alot of people and some that benefit dont complain when its in their favor.
Home interest mortgage deduction? So people get a deduction for buying a home? My rent is higher then some peoples mortgage. But i get know deduction
Child credits? So people get a deduction for having a kid. So because my wife and i decided on no kids we have to pay higher taxes? Oh also our taxes help pay for those kids to goto school.

I'd rather my tax money to goto help someone in need because of no fault of their own. Then to people who make decisions to buy a home or have kids. Those are decisions. Getting laid off isnt. I agree their is abuse in the social systems and need to be fixed also.

Those are just some examples.

[system admin]

right on gixxer

I myself am happy to pay a shit ton of taxes as long as its FAIR and it is not being wasted on BS. When I hear "Millionaires and Billionaires" it drives me crazy because the majority of hard working people who do work their way up into millionaire status is NO WHERE near the level the Obama administration keeps referring to. Class warfare will destroy this country and it should not be used as a political tool. The same goes for race. How many of us Americans are really raciest in this day and age? I can say from my own life experiences that I don't see it, yet race is still being used as a political tool as well. Why start these types of divisions within our country?? Most people don't even think about it until it becomes a news story drummed up as leverage for someones political gain.

[gixxerboy1]

right on gixxer

I myself am happy to pay a shit ton of taxes as long as its FAIR and it is not being wasted on BS. When I hear "Millionaires and Billionaires" it drives me crazy because the majority of hard working people who do work their way up into millionaire status is NO WHERE near the level the Obama administration keeps referring to. Class warfare will destroy this country and it should not be used as a political tool. The same goes for race. How many of us Americans are really raciest in this day and age? I can say from my own life experiences that I don't see it, yet race is still being used as a political tool as well. Why start these types of divisions within our country?? Most people don't even think about it until it becomes a news story drummed up as leverage for someones political gain.

race is always going to be in issue. Even if it isnt "racist"
Just think about the this election. The latino vote, the black vote, if you are counting people by their skin color or ethnicity its racism. Even people from that group to me keep it going. They are asking what will they do for their group. Even you dont want racism stopping dividing yourself and ask what the canidates will do for america

[zaggahamma]

race is always going to be in issue. Even if it isnt "racist"
Just think about the this election. The latino vote, the black vote, if you are counting people by their skin color or ethnicity its racism. Even people from that group to me keep it going. They are asking what will they do for their group. Even you dont want racism stopping dividing yourself and ask what the canidates will do for america

agree 100% with what u said here..

but it IS racist CALLING someone a racist because they disagree/dislike with a VALUES OR RECORD of a candidate or calling someone a racist because they think you should show ID to vote

[system admin]

The ID issue is completely ridiculous. Americans are required to show ID for EVERYTHING. Why is it an issue to vote? Politicians playing games. Why grant amnesty to illegals several months before an election and without a proper vote? Politics. All we can do is sit back and take it.... Hell, what hope do the people who play by the rules have when even other politicians cant do anything about these acts from the president. It seems they do the same thing the rest of us do and just bitch about it. Does not show much hope when even the politicians can do nothing but sit back and bitch and moan.

Fast and Furious... whats going to be done about that? NOTHING Attack on our embassy. Who is going to answer for that disgraceful situation? NO ONE.


Many Dems are pissing on Romney about "Why dont you SHOW us what you are going to do?" Well, what about Obama Care when Palosi went around telling everyone "You have to vote for it to see whats in it" I mean give me a fuking break.....

Im tired of ALL the games from ALL the parties. NOT just from Dems. We need a Govt who plays by the rules, but the problem is that will NEVER happen because when one side tries to run a good clean campaign, the other side will take advantage of it and play even dirtier.

One last thing: How is it fair that the national media can ONLY cover shit on Republicans and not mention jack shit about the flubs and blunders of the Democrats? We have a serious problem and I can guarantee you that things are going to get really bad before they get better. People are fed up and its going to start to become more than just political demonstrations in the near future.

[spywizard]

fox news points out the dems..

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/category/ratings

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FNC	TheFive:	Baier:	Shep:	O’Reilly:	Hannity:	Greta:	O’Reilly:	Hannity:
	425	466	437	695	623	517	369	321
MSNBC	Matthews:	Sharpton:	Matthews:	EdShow:	Maddow:	O’Donnell:	EdShow:	Maddow:
	313	345	342	330	524	440	249	234
CNN	Blitzer:	Blitzer:	Burnett:	Cooper:	Morgan:	Cooper:	Burnett:	Morgan:
	130	124	155	143	107	164	125	134
HLN	Express:	Express:	VelezMitch:	Grace:	Dr.Drew:	Grace:	Showbiz:	Dr.Drew:
	20	35	76	121	109	83	100	104

[JimR]

I think the Obama haters are just plain nuts for the most part. Romney will win and things will get worse.

[system admin]

Spy, thats GREAT to see and shocking. Speaks volumes

[system admin]

We need a LEADER to represent our country, not a rock star celebrity.

[gixxerboy1]

I do agree with needing ID. But IMO its to late to fairly implement it for this election. For some people it would take along time to get all the required paperwork to get the ID. I dont think by the time it was passed it was enough notice. I think it should be implemented for 2014 elections

[system admin]

Agreed. The issue is: WHY is this an issue NOW? This should have been dealt with a long time ago. Another example of how the govt is sitting on its hands... Nothing to do with Obama.

[JimR]

Obama has a lot more depth than many of you guys give him credit for. He is The President of the United States and hasn't done a terrible job. He wakes up in the morning to do his job and has done well.

[Riptorn]

We need a LEADER to represent our country, not a rock star celebrity.

Could not agree more. However in our current culture looks and celebrity outweigh knowledge and wisdom. Until we change our values as US citizens our leaders will continue to be based off a popularity contest. Seldom is the High school valedictorian the prom king.

[system admin]

Seldom is the High school valedictorian the prom king.

Awesome example.

[gymfu]

I think the Obama haters are just plain nuts for the most part. Romney will win and things will get worse.

I really hope he gets to prove you wrong.

[zaggahamma]

so obama says in the debate that he called the benghazi attack an act of terrorism the day after (sept. 12th)

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

lie or a lie

good job huh