So all are tax money goes to soldiers killing civillians awsome!!

[eastcoast112]

You can't build a structure within reasonable cost to defend against being struck by massive airplanes.

that has to be the most ridiculous claim i've heard. cost for the empire state building was 372 million in 2012 dollars, the world trade centers cost 2.3 billion in 2012 dollars. just an fyi.

according to the chief structural engineer the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a boeing 707, the largest plane in existence at the time it was built.
a boeing 767 hit the building which was almost the same size.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.


not much of a difference i'd say and the building completely collapsed in under an hour. hard to believe when you really think about it.

[Nooomoto]

that has to be the most ridiculous claim i've heard. cost for the empire state building was 372 million in 2012 dollars, the world trade centers cost 2.3 billion in 2012 dollars. just an fyi.

according to the chief structural engineer the buildings were designed to withstand the impact of a boeing 707, the largest plane in existence at the time it was built.
a boeing 767 hit the building which was almost the same size.

The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 707-320B is 336,000 pounds.
The maximum takeoff weight for a Boeing 767-200ER is 395,000 pounds.

The wingspan of a Boeing 707 is 146 feet.
The wingspan of a Boeing 767 is 156 feet.

The length of a Boeing 707 is 153 feet.
The length of a Boeing 767 is 159 feet.

The Boeing 707 could carry 23,000 gallons of fuel.
The Boeing 767 could carry 23,980 gallons of fuel.


not much of a difference i'd say and the building completely collapsed in under an hour. hard to believe when you really think about it.

Not hard to believe at all. In fact, in doing your massively extensive research you missed two reports:

One conducted by Popular Mechanics

One conducted by National Geographic

Both of them broke down the situation piece by piece and concluded that in fact, what is widely believed to have occurred, actually did occur.

The buildings DID withstand the impact of the planes, they collapsed to due structural failures caused by compromised structural components.

I will rephrase my original statement. You cannot build a building to withstand everything that could possibly ever happen.

Unfortunately the engineers and architects who designed the original towers failed to consider and compensate for the vulnerabilities of the materials used in construction.

[eastcoast112]

Not hard to believe at all. In fact, in doing your massively extensive research you missed two reports:

One conducted by Popular Mechanics

One conducted by National Geographic

Both of them broke down the situation piece by piece and concluded that in fact, what is widely believed to have occurred, actually did occur.

The buildings DID withstand the impact of the planes, they collapsed to due structural failures caused by compromised structural components.

I will rephrase my original statement. You cannot build a building to withstand everything that could possibly ever happen.

Unfortunately the engineers and architects who designed the original towers failed to consider and compensate for the vulnerabilities of the materials used in construction.

so you admit that the buildings withstood the impact from the planes? so the building collapses were not from the planes. so what caused these "compromised structural components"? the fire? no other skyscrapers in history have completely collapsed due to fire. unless you can find some information that i can't find, no other skyscraper in HISTORY has completely collapsed from anything other then controlled demolition or earthquake.

so 3 skyscrapers collapse due to "compromised structural components" on the same day, wtc 7 didnt even get hit by an airplane but also collapsed.

whats the chances?

[Rwy]

we didnt land on the moon

[Nooomoto]

so you admit that the buildings withstood the impact from the planes? so the building collapses were not from the planes. so what caused these "compromised structural components"? the fire? no other skyscrapers in history have completely collapsed due to fire. unless you can find some information that i can't find, no other skyscraper in HISTORY has completely collapsed from anything other then controlled demolition or earthquake.

so 3 skyscrapers collapse due to "compromised structural components" on the same day, wtc 7 didnt even get hit by an airplane but also collapsed.

whats the chances?

Yes, which is why I rephrased my original statement. Read the reports from Pop Mechanics and Nat Geo. Both are widely respected and vetted, and produce more than youtube content. All your questions are answered there. I've posted them numerous times on these forums. Google is your friend.

I find it hilarious when people suggest demolition as the reason for the towers coming down. Have you ever seen a building prepped for demolition? They are completely stripped to the bone. It takes a lot of time, equipment and men to rig buildings for demo. It's not something that can be done at night in functioning office buildings. Come on, dude. Think about it.

Not everything in the world is as sensational as conspiracy-nuts would have you believe.

The very people that assert that the American gov't is full of bumbling idiots, are also telling you the American gov't has pulled off the most amazing covert tactical operation in the history of the world.

If you've ever met the people that possess the skills required to pull off such a feat, you would know that very few, if any of them would ever even consider doing so, and in fact would die to stop it if they could.

You also fail to realize that in support of these very few people with these skills, are thousands of morons who do barely enough to keep their jobs. Such an operation, like the one you are suggesting, would require the involvement of many thousands of people both civilian and military. You apparently have never met or associated with federal/regular army employees, as the vast majority of them are inherently lazy and non-capable.

Humans are the gaping hole in your conspiracy theory. There aren't enough people that bad-ass and skilled, who are willing to do such a thing in the world to make that happen. The sheer scale of such a thing would make operational security impossible.

[SG2009]

most of tax moniea goes to defense/

[deathdodger]

I understand you being concerned about civilians dying. What you need to be concerned of is a rise in taxes, not where they go. It doesn't matter anyways. In this country you have the opportunity to live however you desire. Do you think it affects you if they put tax dollars towards medical care, housing development, or the military? It does in some way, not enough to get angry over.

[ShredMN]

Seems we have a couple of people who like to don tin foil hats posting in this thread.