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    are vitamins a waste of money ? according to yahoo it is!

    Physicians Urge Americans to Stop Wasting Money on Supplements | Yahoo Health

    according to this article eating mutli vites have no health benifits
    and according to to most physicians they should be avoided by most people
    it says they may even increase your chances of getting cancer 0.o

    thoughts on this ?

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    In a new editorial in Annals of Internal Medicine (AOIM), physicians urge Americans to “stop wasting money on vitamin and mineral supplements.” The editorialists—referencing new research included in the same issue of the journal—warn that, “[m]ost supplements do not prevent chronic disease or death, their use is not justified, and they should be avoided.”

    This is from an editorial- one day they say they are bad, some say they are the best thing. They do help fill gaps in peoples diets.

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    yea this was posted recently, its making news lately. to be honest I've wasted toms of money on vitamins and never felt any improvement or different. who knows!

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    Most doctors know jack shit about nutrition. My brother in law is an md and says he took a total of 2 classes on nutrition and they were based on the idiotic outdated food pyramid and other ridiculous principles.

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    Do doctors make more money off you if you are sick or well? If you eat plenty of fresh fruits and veggies you probably don't need vitamins but most people eat like shit.

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    Those studies discussed in the editorial are crap.

    I can't think what the people who designed those studies thought they were doing, and why they thought it was good to waste the money spent on this stuff. Perhaps they majored in English literature as undergrads and don't really understand how science works. Perhaps they just can't reason very well.

    Regardless, I can only imagine their thoughts went something like the following: there are a lot of supplements, and there are a lot of conditions that people take them for. It would be a crazy (and expensive) amount of work to separate everything out and control for every supplement and every condition, so instead, let's take some rubbish multi vitamins, and take them to see if they affect some general issues that no one with functioning neurons thinks they affect anyway. And then once we have the results, we will generalise them and apply them to all sorts of specific situations that we never actually tested.

    It would be like taking 100 random medications, giving them randomly to a general group of study participants, and then noting (inevitably) that there was no decrease in cancer, cardiac disease or all-cause mortality, and then concluding that there is no clear cut benefit to taking any medicine at all and that people simply ought to stop.

    It's tragic, sometimes, for what passes as good science in medicine.
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    I think that this was funny, "Nutritionists work with doctors and patients to create healthful eating plans that provide proper nutrition and treat illnesses", I have worked in 6 hospitals and I have never seen a healthy looking nutritionists, they are all FAT! Kind of hard to believe what a FAT person, nutritionist or doctor, tells you what to eat / lifestyle compared to a very fit health person. Unless it Doctor OZ . . . then I don't believe any supplement he suggest at all.

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    Not all brands are the same are they made in lab or are they taken from food sources? are they altered forms ( like most use a form of vite that in excess is actually bad for you whiel ignoring the other 7 cimponents of a total of 8 that actually make up vite) or are they natural ?.. there are so0many factors , to say they are generally bad or worthless is like saying steroids are liver toxic... ummm ok that is a kind abroad statement....
    most food nowadays is NOT very nutritional and is mass produces and grown in depleted soils and sadly usually full of chemicals to top it off. you dont get the nutrition from food today that you would have 100 yrs ago.

    I think its stupid NOT to take a multi alogn with decent diet, they are cheap and you can get whole food derived that you take 2-3X a day ( avoid one a day bs) which i rec ( puritans pride green source i use)... but i think its even stupider NOT to eat properly and think a multi vitamin will fix everything you are lacking in a crap diet.
    I think a multi vitamin is a must for most people to supplement into with a DECENT diet.

    Also you should not feel much different on multi's IMO, maybe some more energy. why? because thats called feeling normal isnt it?

    also "cancer foundations" or "cancer fundraising"... there is NO money in the cure ( as cannabis already is for the most part and its extracts and is shown in MANY research studies.. but not in the US of course... soon they will say "ohh damn we just didnt know"... right.....) its all about treatment.... not prevention... not fixing it cheaply with a plant.. its about TREATMENT, lettign you get sick, money and greed. same for many docs and of course big pharma.....
    why i cringe when i see "walk for the cure" and peopel thinkign that that money is usually goign to GOOD research for th ecommon man... is it really? I dont think so...... the "cure" is suppressed and why would you still get funding for research if the main stream already knows cheap ways to prevent and cure cancer? its almost liek jail system and prohibition, a joke... mind you this is no all cancer research, there are some very good people out there, but the majority... greed... you tube/google "run from the cure" if interested...

    I dont think BIG focus should me on multi vitamin, but i do think its a good idea to take a decent multi with a decent diet and take some extra vitd, vitc and b12...

    RANT OVER!! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTahl View Post
    I think that this was funny, "Nutritionists work with doctors and patients to create healthful eating plans that provide proper nutrition and treat illnesses", I have worked in 6 hospitals and I have never seen a healthy looking nutritionists, they are all FAT! Kind of hard to believe what a FAT person, nutritionist or doctor, tells you what to eat / lifestyle compared to a very fit health person. Unless it Doctor OZ . . . then I don't believe any supplement he suggest at all.
    your loss. dr oz might be a shill at some supps he talks about... but he has recommended many that HAVE science to back it up. and ones I have already researched... like turmeric vs cancer or many oyhers... as an example. but your experiences have conditioned your mind and out look ina negative way, so now you look at this stuff through a skewed vision of truth.
    most "personal trainers" i see are fst and otu of shape.. does that mean working out is BS? yeah nutrition is BS because PEOPLE YOU HAVE MET, have been unhealthy.... ok...... common man... its not that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XstabberX View Post
    Do doctors make more money off you if you are sick or well? If you eat plenty of fresh fruits and veggies you probably don't need vitamins but most people eat like shit.

    i think it still good for multi even if you eat fruit and veggie, shit i dont even eat meat, all i eat is fruit and veggie! lol but i DO agree with your last part!

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    Well now maybe the price will go down:/

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