Why would anyone believe the 2021 presidentlia election was stolen?

**Beetlegeuse** · 07-11-2021, 01:07 PM

Why Trump Supporters Believe the Election Was Stolen

By Darryl Cooper

I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself.

Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them.

Here are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc).

These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them.

Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew.

This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake.

At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen.

We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying.

Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year.

Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin.

This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper.

GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election.

It’s hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov’t as a conspiracy… Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don’t stand for the Anthem.

They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov’t official, because they feel most betrayed by them.

The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they’d be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period.

This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don’t know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it’s probably true.

They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots.

They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don’t. It’s a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence.

Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution.

Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn’t just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now.

Re: “fake impeachment”, we now know that Trump’s request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden’s $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request.

Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a “mistake” – but, ya know, the election’s over, so who cares?

Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr’s laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn’t have been banned.

Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information.

The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, “no fair!” That’s how they felt about Romney’s “binders of women” in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process.

And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew.

Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real.

Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange – the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc – but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!).

Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr’s laptop would’ve been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would’ve been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof.

Even the courts’ refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They’ll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house?

It’s a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too.

Forget the ballot conspiracies. It’s a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system.

They knew it was unconstitutional, it’s right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn’t see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn’t implied, it was direct.

a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media.

They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov’t is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might’ve kept him alive.

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The better question is, whose kool-aid have you been drinking if you don't believe?

**DinAZ** · 07-11-2021, 02:41 PM

IMO the people perpetuating the lie don't even believe it themselves, but they perpetuate it because it benefits them. Fear and the need for law and order have served the conservative party well in the past. By challenging the election it gives their base something to fight against rather than realize their own party is using them for an agenda. There are so many poor people in the South who would be socially/financially better off from more liberal policies but they vote conservative because it is their identity and they feel that is most important.

In the coming decades we will have what is referred to as "The majority minority" in social sciences. This basically means the USA will have more minorities than white people. This doesn't bode well for a party of rich, white elites. How to counter this? Misinformation, gerrymandering, and voting restrictions.

The more people that are outraged about the election means the more people that will support changes to how voting works. If we counted every single persons vote the Left would win almost every election but everyone doesn't vote. Some people are felony disenfranchised, some people don't care. The more people that are restricted from voting the better off the conservative right is because it balanced things out.

So basically the people in charge are setting things up for the future decades with the aim to have more control and more voter suppression in order to keep their party from dissolving. At this point much of the public is sick of democrats and republicans both and if things ran their natural course we might end up with new right/left opposing groups. Our political parties in the USA have become better at self preservation than representing the people that elected them so they will work very hard not to fade out.

TLDR this whole "election was stolen" is about as believable as a pro wrestling plot but it doesn't matter, they are playing the long game and as long as some people believe it then the agenda is served. There is a huge disconnect in what both parties tell people and what they actually do. If they can get bible belt people riled up doing their bidding it doesn't matter if the reason for moving is BS if the outcome is the desired outcome.

Anyways, I will stop the rambling of a jaded social sciences teacher. the TLDR is that the majority-minority is coming and both of our political parties will do anything for self-preservation. The Right traditionally has used voting restrictions/suppression as a tool and this is another example of them working towards that. The real question is why people still support our 2 main parties despite the fact they do little for us.

**wango** · 07-11-2021, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by DinAZ

IMO the people perpetuating the lie don't even believe it themselves, but they perpetuate it because it benefits them. Fear and the need for law and order have served the conservative party well in the past. By challenging the election it gives their base something to fight against rather than realize their own party is using them for an agenda. There are so many poor people in the South who would be socially/financially better off from more liberal policies but they vote conservative because it is their identity and they feel that is most important.

In the coming decades we will have what is referred to as "The majority minority" in social sciences. This basically means the USA will have more minorities than white people. This doesn't bode well for a party of rich, white elites. How to counter this? Misinformation, gerrymandering, and voting restrictions.

The more people that are outraged about the election means the more people that will support changes to how voting works. If we counted every single persons vote the Left would win almost every election but everyone doesn't vote. Some people are felony disenfranchised, some people don't care. The more people that are restricted from voting the better off the conservative right is because it balanced things out.

So basically the people in charge are setting things up for the future decades with the aim to have more control and more voter suppression in order to keep their party from dissolving. At this point much of the public is sick of democrats and republicans both and if things ran their natural course we might end up with new right/left opposing groups. Our political parties in the USA have become better at self preservation than representing the people that elected them so they will work very hard not to fade out.

TLDR this whole "election was stolen" is about as believable as a pro wrestling plot but it doesn't matter, they are playing the long game and as long as some people believe it then the agenda is served. There is a huge disconnect in what both parties tell people and what they actually do. If they can get bible belt people riled up doing their bidding it doesn't matter if the reason for moving is BS if the outcome is the desired outcome.

Anyways, I will stop the rambling of a jaded social sciences teacher. the TLDR is that the majority-minority is coming and both of our political parties will do anything for self-preservation. The Right traditionally has used voting restrictions/suppression as a tool and this is another example of them working towards that. The real question is why people still support our 2 main parties despite the fact they do little for us.

Still teaching, why jaded? What level? High School science for 21 years for me. It’s also about promoting distrust in the current “system”. Gives a better chance / better “soil” for what previously would be thought of “seeds” for far-fetched & more radical ideas to now take hold and grow. Our social science & government teachers were incredible at our school. By far my favorite workers to talk with.

**DinAZ** · 07-11-2021, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Still teaching, why jaded? What level? High School science for 21 years for me. It’s also about promoting distrust in the current “system”. Gives a better chance / better “soil” for what previously would be thought of “seeds” for far-fetched & more radical ideas to now take hold and grow. Our social science & government teachers were incredible at our school. By far my favorite workers to talk with.

I just switched to teaching from another career. Not jaded with teaching, just more so with our government. In fact, they are trying to pass laws that limit what you can teach as far as history. It already passed in Florida but not here yet.

**wango** · 07-12-2021, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by DinAZ

I just switched to teaching from another career. Not jaded with teaching, just more so with our government. In fact, they are trying to pass laws that limit what you can teach as far as history. It already passed in Florida but not here yet.

I switched to teaching from another career as well. Teaching is no longer what you remember or think it was from when you were younger. Every year or so there are new changes that you have to adopt. I retired as of last month. Very fortunate, as next school year is going to be ridiculous.

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-14-2021, 04:46 AM

More politics

Can we please go back to discussing steroids , training, dieting, health and girls?

**wango** · 07-14-2021, 09:30 AM

Sure, in the Anabolic Steroids - Questions & Answers section, the Anabolic Lounge, In the Diet & Nutrition section & the Injuries and Rehab section, you’ll find what you mentioned, all in those.

**Cuz** · 07-14-2021, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

More politics

Can we please go back to discussing steroids, training, dieting, health and girls?

Girls…we need more girls…agreed. Ugh damn, why cant i stop chasing them lol

**wango** · 07-14-2021, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Girls…we need more girls…agreed. Ugh damn, why cant i stop chasing them lol

Can’t argue with that logic. As long as chasing doesn’t turn into stalking, ain’t nothing wrong with that either.

**tarmyg** · 07-14-2021, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Cuz

Girls…we need more girls…agreed. Ugh damn, why cant i stop chasing them lol

This has me believe you need to get laid more Cuz

You know, more than the obligatory Christmas fuck once a year.

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-14-2021, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by wango

Sure, in the Anabolic Steroids - Questions & Answers section, the Anabolic Lounge, In the Diet & Nutrition section & the Injuries and Rehab section, you’ll find what you mentioned, all in those.

My point is all these kinds of threads do is start big fights between people on here. A donnie supporter isn't going to convince a biden supporter different and vise versa.

**wango** · 07-14-2021, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

My point is all these kinds of threads do is start big fights between people on here. A donnie supporter isn't going to convince a biden supporter different and vise versa.

My point was that I was trying to direct you to sub-forums that contained your areas of interest.

**Cuz** · 07-15-2021, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

This has me believe you need to get laid more Cuz

You know, more than the obligatory Christmas fuck once a year.

Once a year isn’t enough?!? That bitch was lying to me all this time

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-16-2021, 09:07 PM

**warchild** · 07-26-2021, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

Best post I’ve ever seen

**SampsonandDelilah** · 07-29-2021, 08:46 PM

Makes me wonder if blondes really do have more fun?

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-30-2021, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Makes me wonder if blondes really do have more fun?

I don't know. I typically go for the dark-haired Latinas, but some people still love their blondes.

**SacredHeart** · 07-31-2021, 10:03 AM

When there is a serious discussion, people post porn. Why? Its an old trick in the book. When the Israeli army took over the West Bank, they put porn on the arab TV airwaves.

**almostgone** · 07-31-2021, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by SacredHeart

When there is a serious discussion, people post porn. Why? Its an old trick in the book. When the Israeli army took over the West Bank, they put porn on the arab TV airwaves.

You need to calm down. No porn was posted. This forum has had enough political drama and needs a little break.

If you don't like it either don't look or go elsewhere.

**Honkey_Kong** · 07-31-2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by almostgone

You need to calm down. No porn was posted. This forum has had enough political drama and needs a little break.

If you don't like it either don't look or go elsewhere.

I thought hot chicks was the one thing we all could agree on. hahah

**DinAZ** · 07-31-2021, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

I thought hot chicks was the one thing we all could agree on. hahah

I’m kind of shocked someone would prefer arguing about politics over those pics

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-01-2021, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by DinAZ

I’m kind of shocked someone would prefer arguing about politics over those pics

I was actually hoping somebody would disagree that those are hot chicks and then post even hotter chicks.

**tarmyg** · 08-01-2021, 03:30 AM

From the gym. I'm a dirty old man now.

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-01-2021, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

From the gym. I'm a dirty old man now.

That middle girl... Did that 3rd chick walk up behind her? Or were you doing some camera work to get her by herself?

Nice!!!

**tarmyg** · 08-01-2021, 05:18 AM

Originally Posted by Honkey_Kong

That middle girl... Did that 3rd chick walk up behind her? Or were you doing some camera work to get her by herself?

Nice!!!

They were working out as a pair so she was doing some leg workout behind the other one.

**charger69** · 08-01-2021, 07:02 AM

I think we are all dirty old men.
I specifically will not even try to take pics because then the label would stick at the gym. I do think the girls in the pics would be flattered, but everyone else would label me. LOL

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**DinAZ** · 08-01-2021, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by charger69

I think we are all dirty old men.
I specifically will not even try to take pics because then the label would stick at the gym. I do think the girls in the pics would be flattered, but everyone else would label me. LOL

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Totally. Last week there was a blonde with a perfect ass in the row of cardio machines in front of me. She had a big cross tattoo on her back. I wanted to tell her that checking out her ass felt like a spiritual experience with that ink and perfect shape.

I didn’t say anything though because the stigma of being the creepy pervy old guy at the gym isn’t one I want. I don’t think of myself as an old guy at 38 but the 24 year olds do so I might as well accept it.

**tarmyg** · 08-01-2021, 08:31 AM

[QUOTE=DinAZ;7556693]

I wanted to tell her that checking out her ass felt like a spiritual experience with that ink and perfect shape.

This is perhaps in the top 10 comments I have ever seen on these forums. HAHAHAHA.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-01-2021, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

From the gym. I'm a dirty old man now.

Now? I think you’ve been a dirty old man for a while now Tarmy

To the fella complaining that we’re deflecting from politics to hot ass…for one, it’s not “porn”.

Secondly, you’re damn straight, hot ass can solve more problems than guns and bombs and lastly it’s VERY apparent you weren’t around these forums in the months leading up to the election. Enough is enough.

This is a steroids forum…where big alpha men hopped up on hormones do what they do best. Eat, train and think about sexy woman in lulu lemons.

I’m sure there’s some political board out there where you can try and discuss the problems in the Middle East and try and solve what so many men much smarter than yourself have failed to figure out. Good luck and Godspeed.

In the meantime, more hot sweaty ass please

**tarmyg** · 08-01-2021, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by SampsonandDelilah

Now? I think you’ve been a dirty old man for a while now Tarmy

To the fella complaining that we’re deflecting from politics to hot ass…for one, it’s not “porn”.

Secondly, you’re damn straight, hot ass can solve more problems than guns and bombs and lastly it’s VERY apparent you weren’t around these forums in the months leading up to the election. Enough is enough.

This is a steroids forum…where big alpha men hopped up on hormones do what they do best. Eat, train and think about sexy woman in lulu lemons.

I’m sure there’s some political board out there where you can try and discuss the problems in the Middle East and try and solve what so many men much smarter than yourself have failed to figure out. Good luck and Godspeed.

In the meantime, more hot sweaty ass please

I love you dude.

**SampsonandDelilah** · 08-01-2021, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

I love you dude.

You’re so good to me….and I love you too

**Honkey_Kong** · 08-01-2021, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

I love you dude.

I'd buy that for a dollar.

**charger69** · 08-01-2021, 03:47 PM

See Tarm can get away with that because he is so young. If I were to try that I would be a dirty old man.
Age discrimination these days. LOL

I saw a posting and it made me think:
In the 60’s we were worried about getting on the moon. Today we worry that pancakes has racial tones in their advertising. ( Aunt Jemima).
We are fucked up.

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**DinAZ** · 08-01-2021, 10:26 PM

The me too movement is the worst part of PC culture. I’m fine with firing sexual harassers but now they are teaching children they have to ask for consent to kiss someone. I’m fine with implied consent… you make you move and if they don’t say no or push you off it’s good. But verbal consent “do you consent to me kissing you” sounds like a total boner killer. Maybe they are trying to stop teen pregnancy by making sex sound really boring.

**Mooseman33** · 08-02-2021, 07:39 AM

fuck the politics, bring in the women...

that being said, I love all of you, minus kimbo, but taking sneaky pics of chicks at the gym who do not know about it is creepy. My wife trains at same place as me, and I find this disturbing. I would beat someone to death if I caught them taking a pic of my wife.

**tarmyg** · 08-02-2021, 07:48 AM

To be clear. I did not actually take these pictures but I guess I am reposting them so maybe the same thing? Anyway, today’s butt porn!

My wife said that is someone was, like DinAZ, having a “religious experience” while staring at her butt she would feel happy to be part of their “salvation”.

**charger69** · 08-02-2021, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

To be clear. I did not actually take these pictures but I guess I am reposting them so maybe the same thing? Anyway, today’s butt porn!

My wife said that is someone was, like DinAZ, having a “religious experience” while staring at her butt she would feel happy to be part of their “salvation”.

Sure! LOL

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**tarmyg** · 08-02-2021, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by charger69

Sure! LOL

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Haha. Fucker.

**Cuz** · 08-04-2021, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

To be clear. I did not actually take these pictures but I guess I am reposting them so maybe the same thing? Anyway, today’s butt porn!

My wife said that is someone was, like DinAZ, having a “religious experience” while staring at her butt she would feel happy to be part of their “salvation”.

That is absolutely incredible

**Fluidic Kimbo** · 08-19-2021, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by Mooseman33

taking sneaky pics of chicks at the gym who do not know about it is creepy.

This is a good example of something that is totally harmless if you don't get caught, but will really fuck people off if you do get caught. Elite gym girls nowadays post enough stuff on Instagram anyway that you don't need to do any bespoke photography.