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    The world isn't so simple. Many times more innocents were killed by Israelis than by Palestinians.
    I understand there is history there. but im pretty sure the israelis never acted like this
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    I understand there is history there. but im pretty sure the israelis never acted like this
    Again - the reason that Israelis don't act like this because they have the military power to fight from afar. They have jets, helicopters, long-range rockets, drones, etc. Palestine/Hamas has none of that. What they resort to is guerilla tactics, kidnappings, terror.

    Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula fought off the Ottomans who had a much greater army by attacking at night, while they were sleeping, catching them off guard. He impaled 80,000 of his enemies during his 7-year reign. Armies of Ottomans much greater than Vlad's were scared off when they saw 20,000 impaled corpses rotting in the sun as far as the eye could see. He was an effective ruler because even though his army was no match to the much larger Ottoman empire's armies, his ruthlessness and persistence prevailed.

    A smaller opponent must always fight dirty. This goes to warring nations all the way to hand-to-hand combat.

    If my country gets sold and occupied, the occupiers kill my people 10 to 1, the occupiers keep expanding their territories into mine and claiming it as theirs, I'm going to do whatever it takes to fight, including kidnappings, bombings, etc.

    Look up some pictures and videos on the bombings from Israel on Gaza. Don't just look for things to justify your feelings.

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    WW3 could possibly unfold. I just hope the draft is opened back up and I hope they start with California lol
    I would predict: Californian divisions surrender en mass...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1nc1ty View Post
    I understand there is history there. but im pretty sure the israelis never acted like this
    I would agree with you here, but I wonder whether it really matters, the level of brutality, when one loses a loved one; a terrorist is born.

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    I would predict: Californian divisions surrender en mass...
    Possibly because theyíre accustomed to having a much higher standard of living? Iím not about to diss other states of our fine country, but there are regions where they volunteer to get into the military and donít have to be drafted- because they are poorly educated, their healthcare is lacking & just getting food & water is an accomplishment. Iím not being critical here, seriously, itís really unfortunate that they canít get their act together. Plus, they now can get to travel to new & interesting places - where as in California, thereís really no need to travel elsewhere because it excels in so many things.

    That said, this was texted purely in jest. I hold nobody in higher esteem than anyone who has served or likewise for our police. Our nationís disservice to many of our vets & our police is disgusting.

    On a more pertinent point ; keep kicking ass Israel. I think it just might be time for all Palestinians to find a new home. Perhaps Lebanon, Syria or Iran since they love you so very much. Hell, move in mass to Iraq? Thereís a nice phrase that is very applicable - love if or leave it (lol, kind of like California).
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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    I would predict: Californian divisions surrender en mass...
    I don’t think they would ever make through basic, unless they just send them on through
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    I have no love for Putin or Soviet Russia, however he pretty much stated he has no interest in helping broker peace in Israel even though he has relationships with both sides. As stated prior, he knows damn well that military assistance to Israel by the US will diminish that to Ukraine & that if/when the Saudiís reduce oil exports (and even if they donít), Russiaís and Iranís oil profits in the upcoming Winter will only grow.

    Clever, that is if playing political chess with human lives can be considered as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Again - the reason that Israelis don't act like this because they have the military power to fight from afar. They have jets, helicopters, long-range rockets, drones, etc. Palestine/Hamas has none of that. What they resort to is guerilla tactics, kidnappings, terror.

    Vlad "The Impaler" Dracula fought off the Ottomans who had a much greater army by attacking at night, while they were sleeping, catching them off guard. He impaled 80,000 of his enemies during his 7-year reign. Armies of Ottomans much greater than Vlad's were scared off when they saw 20,000 impaled corpses rotting in the sun as far as the eye could see. He was an effective ruler because even though his army was no match to the much larger Ottoman empire's armies, his ruthlessness and persistence prevailed.

    A smaller opponent must always fight dirty. This goes to warring nations all the way to hand-to-hand combat.

    If my country gets sold and occupied, the occupiers kill my people 10 to 1, the occupiers keep expanding their territories into mine and claiming it as theirs, I'm going to do whatever it takes to fight, including kidnappings, bombings, etc.

    Look up some pictures and videos on the bombings from Israel on Gaza. Don't just look for things to justify your feelings.

    I understand your point, there is logic behind it. But still, that is not excuse to act like savages. Those people there, in my eyes the world is better without that kind of people. To slap dead bodys and dance around happily yelling allah akbar and rape women and behead babys and what ever else they did. Those pieces of shit are not human in my eyes.
    What i mean you can execute people with dignity

    I would rather give away my country and move somewhere else then resort to that kind of antics. No man with honor or concience or sense of right or whatever you want to call would do something like that. those are animals with low intelligence
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1nc1ty View Post
    I understand your point, there is logic behind it. But still, that is not excuse to act like savages. Those people there, in my eyes the world is better without that kind of people. To slap dead bodys and dance around happily yelling allah akbar and rape women and behead babys and what ever else they did. Those pieces of shit are not human in my eyes.
    What i mean you can execute people with dignity

    I would rather give away my country and move somewhere else then resort to that kind of antics. No man with honor or concience or sense of right or whatever you want to call would do something like that. those are animals with low intelligence
    I think we agree that there are two ways to look at this situation. One is to judge the actions taken by the individuals, and the other is the bigger picture of why this is happening. The point that I'm making, and what Xnavy is alluding to, is that whether the murderers are shooting people, dancing, yelling, raping, etc., or they are in a facility a long distance away, pressing buttons, the end result (death) is the same. You're right that anyone who enjoys killing, raping, etc. is a psychopath. While the actions taken by these individuals are without a doubt terrible, there are valid reasons for why this is happening. I don't agree with the violence, but I imagine at least some of these men in Hamas were once regular citizens that had family members, spouses, or kids killed by the bombings from Israel. I also imagine many of them are brainwashed and stupid.
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    I do not believe that Israel attacked Aleppo, Russia can now enter this war.

    Since the former Soviet Union, Syria has had the protection of the Russians, Vladimir Putin defended the regime Bashar al-Assad. I also remember that Putin reinforced air defense after Donald Trump attacked it in 2017. I don't know, brothers, but the world appears to be heading towards a great world war, one war will lead to another.
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    Gog and Magog! THE END IS NEAR ! The Bible doesn't lie.

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    Couldnít the disgruntled Palestinians have moved to another country (Iím talking well prior to this war). Iím not sure what the Israeli laws were regarding that? I mean moving in lieu of terrorist actions.

    Regarding the shenanigans of Hammas, Shani Louk is an excellent and sickening example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    Couldnít the disgruntled Palestinians have moved to another country (Iím talking well prior to this war). Iím not sure what the Israeli laws were regarding that? I mean moving in lieu of terrorist actions.

    Regarding the shenanigans of Hammas, Shani Louk is an excellent and sickening example.
    Move to where? How do you move the country you and your people have been in for thousands of years? The jews from Europe basically stole Palestine and made it Israel... I know that historically jews occupied part of the area near Jerusalem, but that was over 2,500 years ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Move to where? How do you move the country you and your people have been in for thousands of years? The jews from Europe basically stole Palestine and made it Israel... I know that historically jews occupied part of the area near Jerusalem, but that was over 2,500 years ago.
    TM, after I married my wife & got to know her family, I immersed myself in learning about Jews, because as a child in a very conservative family, I was taught that Jews were not ďgoodĒ.

    I fully understand how Israel was formed (as was the rest of the mid-east countries - quite arbitrarily largely by the Europeans and US); and it was extremely unfair. As stated before, my wife is sympathetic to the shit the ultra conservative Jews have put the Palestinians through (as am I). But they ainít changing their ways!

    They are in fact Muslims. Move to another Muslim dominated country (thereís plenty to chose from). Is it fair or right that they need to? Heck no! But - is it equally fair & right to turn to terrorism means, particularly in Israel where you damn well know how theyíll retaliate?

    So, you hate Israel that much?!? OK Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran (historically all with military backing by Russia) - shut up and actually do something of significance & donít fuck up this time as you have before.

    Itís time to end the weak, petty bs whining. If there are countries truly sympathetic to the Palestinian people, give them a new home. Let the bullshit that Israelís actions have taken stink Israel up, because it is so obvious. Why continually whine & moan and create the suffering and deaths of more innocent people ?

    I have absolutely no tolerance for terrorism & personally hope the response by Israel completely destroys Hamas, Hezbollah & totally removes (not kills) all Palestinian civilians to someplace else (just not here in the USA or Europe). Hell, send them to Russia as they are the big power & much of the dollars behind this crap.

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    Ummm, kinda late - I guess

    The wife’s friend’s mom, sister & niece are in Israel right now. I wonder when they’ll get back - they went on vacation there to see “the wall”

    Talk about bad timing - as far as beliefs, it’s too much for me.

    I didn’t even realize it, since I’m so busy with my own crap. But, umm - we have two spare dogs at the house that remind me - they are the wife’s friend’s - and, she can’t leave her mom’s house because she’s taking care of her other sister that didn’t go

    I didn’t even read or listen to the news until the wife is like, umm - wtf

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    TM, after I married my wife & got to know her family, I immersed myself in learning about Jews, because as a child in a very conservative family, I was taught that Jews were not ďgoodĒ.

    I fully understand how Israel was formed (as was the rest of the mid-east countries - quite arbitrarily largely by the Europeans and US); and it was extremely unfair. As stated before, my wife is sympathetic to the shit the ultra conservative Jews have put the Palestinians through (as am I). But they ainít changing their ways!

    They are in fact Muslims. Move to another Muslim dominated country (thereís plenty to chose from). Is it fair or right that they need to? Heck no! But - is it equally fair & right to turn to terrorism means, particularly in Israel where you damn well know how theyíll retaliate?

    So, you hate Israel that much?!? OK Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Iran (historically all with military backing by Russia) - shut up and actually do something of significance & donít fuck up this time as you have before.

    Itís time to end the weak, petty bs whining. If there are countries truly sympathetic to the Palestinian people, give them a new home. Let the bullshit that Israelís actions have taken stink Israel up, because it is so obvious. Why continually whine & moan and create the suffering and deaths of more innocent people ?

    I have absolutely no tolerance for terrorism & personally hope the response by Israel completely destroys Hamas, Hezbollah & totally removes (not kills) all Palestinian civilians to someplace else (just not here in the USA or Europe). Hell, send them to Russia as they are the big power & much of the dollars behind this crap.

    I'm always gonna cheer the underdog and I try to be fair. Jews were the underdogs until they became the bigger dog and started doing to the people in these arab communities what was done to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Move to where? How do you move the country you and your people have been in for thousands of years? The jews from Europe basically stole Palestine and made it Israel... I know that historically jews occupied part of the area near Jerusalem, but that was over 2,500 years ago.
    Israel is historically jewish land. The jews were there first before they were enslaved and persecuted out of there. After all what the jews been through, they not gonna give away theyr homeland again to make some dual state with the palestinians. They will fight till the last man if need to. I think the palestinians should be happy to live in israel just as citizens or move into another muslim country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    Possibly because they’re accustomed to having a much higher standard of living? I’m not about to diss other states of our fine country, but there are regions where they volunteer to get into the military and don’t have to be drafted- because they are poorly educated, their healthcare is lacking & just getting food & water is an accomplishment. I’m not being critical here, seriously, it’s really unfortunate that they can’t get their act together. Plus, they now can get to travel to new & interesting places - where as in California, there’s really no need to travel elsewhere because it excels in so many things.

    That said, this was texted purely in jest. I hold nobody in higher esteem than anyone who has served or likewise for our police. Our nation’s disservice to many of our vets & our police is disgusting.

    On a more pertinent point ; keep kicking ass Israel. I think it just might be time for all Palestinians to find a new home. Perhaps Lebanon, Syria or Iran since they love you so very much. Hell, move in mass to Iraq? There’s a nice phrase that is very applicable - love if or leave it (lol, kind of like California).
    Brother Blues,
    It was PURELY in jest, when I said the Cali troops would surrender; I know a gangload of straight-up gunfighters who were born and bred in California; I was only being facetious.
    Furthermore, I agree with a lot of what you posted here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I think we agree that there are two ways to look at this situation. One is to judge the actions taken by the individuals, and the other is the bigger picture of why this is happening. The point that I'm making, and what Xnavy is alluding to, is that whether the murderers are shooting people, dancing, yelling, raping, etc., or they are in a facility a long distance away, pressing buttons, the end result (death) is the same. You're right that anyone who enjoys killing, raping, etc. is a psychopath. While the actions taken by these individuals are without a doubt terrible, there are valid reasons for why this is happening. I don't agree with the violence, but I imagine at least some of these men in Hamas were once regular citizens that had family members, spouses, or kids killed by the bombings from Israel. I also imagine many of them are brainwashed and stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    Couldn’t the disgruntled Palestinians have moved to another country (I’m talking well prior to this war). I’m not sure what the Israeli laws were regarding that? I mean moving in lieu of terrorist actions.

    Regarding the shenanigans of Hammas, Shani Louk is an excellent and sickening example.
    Most likely; none of their "rag head, camel jockey" brothers want them; they know what these people are...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Move to where? How do you move the country you and your people have been in for thousands of years? The jews from Europe basically stole Palestine and made it Israel... I know that historically jews occupied part of the area near Jerusalem, but that was over 2,500 years ago.
    I forget exactly when it was (approximately 18yrs ago), the then Iranian President Aminajab *spelling error for sure) gave an address at the UN, I believe, where he commented just that. He said something along the lines of, the Europeans, post WW II, felt bad about what they (the Europeans) had done to the Jews, so they gave they Palestine. He went on to suggest that if Europe and the collective West had such feelings, why not give them Switzerland, instead of Palestine... I am undoubtedly off on my paraphrase, but this was the gist. He made a very compelling point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Ummm, kinda late - I guess

    The wife’s friend’s mom, sister & niece are in Israel right now. I wonder when they’ll get back - they went on vacation there to see “the wall”

    Talk about bad timing - as far as beliefs, it’s too much for me.

    I didn’t even realize it, since I’m so busy with my own crap. But, umm - we have two spare dogs at the house that remind me - they are the wife’s friend’s - and, she can’t leave her mom’s house because she’s taking care of her other sister that didn’t go

    I didn’t even read or listen to the news until the wife is like, umm - wtf
    Damn, talk about a cluster fuck. I wouldnt go to the Middle East, like literally ever, for anything. Hoping for a safe return bro

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    Israel has told the Palestinians to move to the south of Gaza. Looks like boots on the ground is close.
    Hezbollah has said they are ready and will attack Isreal.
    The U.S. said they will defend Isreal if hezbollah and or Syria get involved.

    Someone said in the comments prior (sorry I can’t remember who) it’s like a game of human chess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    I'm always gonna cheer the underdog and I try to be fair. Jews were the underdogs until they became the bigger dog and started doing to the people in these arab communities what was done to them.
    1000% agree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    Most likely; none of their "rag head, camel jockey" brothers want them; they know what these people are...
    Yup.

    Guess those Palestinians are shit out of luck. Clear Gaza out completely, make it 100% Israeli, move the Palestinians to the West Bank. Compensate them by moving out most/all of the settlements there, but make it a police state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    I forget exactly when it was (approximately 18yrs ago), the then Iranian President Aminajab *spelling error for sure) gave an address at the UN, I believe, where he commented just that. He said something along the lines of, the Europeans, post WW II, felt bad about what they (the Europeans) had done to the Jews, so they gave they Palestine. He went on to suggest that if Europe and the collective West had such feelings, why not give them Switzerland, instead of Palestine... I am undoubtedly off on my paraphrase, but this was the gist. He made a very compelling point...
    The world didnít (and most still donít) want the Jews. Hell, no body wanted to increase their immigration policies while the shit was actually happening, easily mitigating the entire holocaust. No wonder ďweĒ felt guilty.

    Too bad Hitler didnít move them all to Africa (Madagascar).

    But after the war - what to with those poor Jews. Kind of like radioactive waste; letís move it far away where ďweĒ canít be affected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Ummm, kinda late - I guess

    The wife’s friend’s mom, sister & niece are in Israel right now. I wonder when they’ll get back - they went on vacation there to see “the wall”

    Talk about bad timing - as far as beliefs, it’s too much for me.

    I didn’t even realize it, since I’m so busy with my own crap. But, umm - we have two spare dogs at the house that remind me - they are the wife’s friend’s - and, she can’t leave her mom’s house because she’s taking care of her other sister that didn’t go

    I didn’t even read or listen to the news until the wife is like, umm - wtf
    Very sorry to hear.

    Maybe, since they are there, check out Lebanon as I understand they have some incredible resorts on the Mediterranean. And, when they get back, another great place to visit is Sinaloa, Mexico. I hear the local food is amazing!

    I sincerely hope for their safe return Samson! Prayers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    The world didn’t (and most still don’t) want the Jews. Hell, no body wanted to increase their immigration policies while the shit was actually happening, easily mitigating the entire holocaust. No wonder “we” felt guilty.

    Too bad Hitler didn’t move them all to Africa (Madagascar).

    But after the war - what to with those poor Jews. Kind of like radioactive waste; let’s move it far away where “we” can’t be affected.

    It was a very strategic move to an area where America figured they can use Israel as a proxy for control of that area. And that's what Israel is now. That's why our politicians and media always show them favorably.

    And yeah, I agree with you on the point that Europe likely didn't want the Jews either. It's weird that they have had so much hatred toward them anywhere they went... I can only think one other minority group that is similarly disliked universally. I can only say that, from my experience, Jewish people are mostly good people that work hard and stick to their own. Many years ago I got locked out of the house my girlfriend and I bought, on the first day we moved in...smh. It was a weekend, around 7 pm. I called and called, and finally got a hold of one company that sent a guy out to open our door. It was a Jewish guy and my girlfriend semi-jokingly asked if he could get me a job as I was looking for one, and the guy asked me "are you Jewish?" I said, no, and he told me "they're not gonna hire you man, sorry." So, I think part of what makes them unique is they stick to their own, and that includes providing opportunities to their own over anyone else. They are a society within a society, and I think that is part of the reason they are disliked by some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    It was a very strategic move to an area where America figured they can use Israel as a proxy for control of that area. And that's what Israel is now. That's why our politicians and media always show them favorably.

    And yeah, I agree with you on the point that Europe likely didn't want the Jews either. It's weird that they have had so much hatred toward them anywhere they went... I can only think one other minority group that is similarly disliked universally. I can only say that, from my experience, Jewish people are mostly good people that work hard and stick to their own. Many years ago I got locked out of the house my girlfriend and I bought, on the first day we moved in...smh. It was a weekend, around 7 pm. I called and called, and finally got a hold of one company that sent a guy out to open our door. It was a Jewish guy and my girlfriend semi-jokingly asked if he could get me a job as I was looking for one, and the guy asked me "are you Jewish?" I said, no, and he told me "they're not gonna hire you man, sorry." So, I think part of what makes them unique is they stick to their own, and that includes providing opportunities to their own over anyone else. They are a society within a society, and I think that is part of the reason they are disliked by some.
    Once again, Iím in complete agreement with you.

    TY for that story, but regrettably the fact that they do stick together so tightly does upset the majority populations that they inhabited/inhabit. And although it is a somewhat unfair thing to say, when $ are involved, well, historically itís been a hot issue.

    When the wife & I wed, our tiny & brief ceremony was held not in a place of worship & was conducted by a justice of the peace. Virtually no references were made to religion. Believe it or not we still had die hard family members & friends from both sides that werenít particularly thrilled with a mixed wedding. Prejudice & hate is so prevalent.

    I laughed out loud yesterday to a video of a Hamas paraglider hitting a power line & bursting into a ball of flames. Itís so easy to fall into that hatred trap to find humor in that. Ok, Iím still laughing about it . . . Maybe the pics will be approved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    The world didn’t (and most still don’t) want the Jews. Hell, no body wanted to increase their immigration policies while the shit was actually happening, easily mitigating the entire holocaust. No wonder “we” felt guilty.

    Too bad Hitler didn’t move them all to Africa (Madagascar).

    But after the war - what to with those poor Jews. Kind of like radioactive waste; let’s move it far away where “we” can’t be affected.
    If we had only known what the future foretold...
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    Keeping all politics aside...I have to wonder how much of the $6 billion dollars released to Iran helped make this latest conflict possible.

    Also, Iraq unfroze around $10 billion last April for "humanitarian" purchases.
    I would estimate about 6 billion of it.
    Another Finance 101 that a lot of us were told we didnt know what we were talking about when we said releasing that money to Iran was just going to create more war/terrorism. #1 they dont care what the rules/stipulations of the money being released was. #2 releasing the money just frees up other money they had to be used for whatever they want to do with it.
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    You canít make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. So the saying goís

    It wouldnít be the first or last time a government or monarchy had been shitty to the own people to serve themselves.

    At least you Americans are well armed in most states. Itís scary to see over here the amount of mass migration post covid, and itís not familyís who or escaping persecution. Itís young fighting aged men.

    Fuck I sound like a conspiracy theorist now
    Do you know what the difference between a conspiracy theory and fact is?
    Usually about 6 months.
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    Iran state media. Possible pre-emptive strike on Isreal in the coming hours.

    Just mindless rhetoric coming from Iran like normal me thinks.
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    They just got back - they sneaked out “most” of the group from the hotel over to who knows where, then flew them out - all 3 just got back home. They flew them into JFK 1st

    I have a link to the news story from their town - I just watched. I just don’t wanna post their personal info anywhere - 27 out of 30 made it back. Three are unaccounted for - seriously, those aren’t my favorite odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    They just got back - they sneaked out “most” of the group from the hotel over to who knows where, then flew them out - all 3 just got back home. They flew them into JFK 1st

    I have a link to the news story from their town - I just watched. I just don’t wanna post their personal info anywhere - 27 out of 30 made it back. Three are unaccounted for - seriously, those aren’t my favorite odds.
    Thank God that they got back unharmed.
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    Yeah they israelis may kill 27 times more people with missile but still. In my book raping women and beheading babys and what they did at the music festival is worse. it is inconceivable. They have forfeited theyr lives with such actions. If the hamas hides under hospitals and civillian targets so it will be harder for israelis to bomb them so be it. Blame hamas for everything that happening to them. The palestinians should not cooperate with hamas and should give them out, help to exterminate them and save themselves in the process.

    Right now they are just in the crossfire. I doubt the israelis killing civillians on purpose, with a smile on theyr face like hamas did with them. They are just collateral damage, and mainly because hamas purposely uses civillians as human shield

    So in my eyes the jews are in the right. Sorry for the metafor but you cant make an omlette without breaking some eggs
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1nc1ty View Post
    Yeah they israelis may kill 27 times more people with missile but still. In my book raping women and beheading babys and what they did at the music festival is worse. it is inconceivable. They have forfeited theyr lives with such actions. If the hamas hides under hospitals and civillian targets so it will be harder for israelis to bomb them so be it. Blame hamas for everything that happening to them. The palestinians should not cooperate with hamas and should give them out, help to exterminate them and save themselves in the process.

    Right now they are just in the crossfire. I doubt the israelis killing civillians on purpose, with a smile on theyr face like hamas did with them. They are just collateral damage, and mainly because hamas purposely uses civillians as human shield

    So in my eyes the jews are in the right. Sorry for the metafor but you cant make an omlette without breaking some eggs
    The beheadings have all been disproven. That was just IDF propaganda. The few pictures there were, ended up being AI generated. As for HAMAS going after civilians, the IDF and Mossad have been killing Palestinian civilians for decades. The media never covers the horrors Israel does. And technically every adult in Israel (man or woman) has to join the military and are reservists. So they are fair targets.

    I'm not saying that the palestinians are total angels either. But it was their country that was seized and partitioned to create Israel against their will. Israel continues to seize their land and murder their people as they create more "settlements." If that was happening here to us, I'm sure there would be plenty of people fighting back and fighting as dirty as they need to be.

    But really, their war isn't our business. I'm really just appauled that our tax dollars are being given to them (either side). Israel gets billions every year from us. And I hear there's going to be $100 million in aid given to the Palestinians (I'm sure it's just in the form of food, water and medicine). Can't we just stay out of this shit? Stop giving out "aid?" And certainly not take in any refugees.
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    Was the American base attacked?

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    HK, couldn't have said it better.

    I think the only way any sort of peace can be achieved in the long run is if Palestine and Israel have clearly defined borders enforced by an outside entity such as the UN. Palestine has lost the majority of its territory since Israel was installed, as Israel does not seem to respect Palestine as a state. Now there are two Palestines; Gaza and the West Bank. I'm not sure how they can be consolidated.

    S1nc1ty, what should Palestine do, in your opinion, to stop Israel from taking its territories given that they have a much weaker/borderline non-existent military? Should they just let Israel chip away at their land until they are fully absorbed and treated as second-class humans, without rights, who are restricted to their prison-camp-style neighborhoods while Israelis enjoy a carefree life of prosperity with billions coming in from the US?

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