I am posting a new thread since my original "My HGH results so far" thread is kinda burned out. Since I started HGH, I have completed two AAS cycles- the first with 400mg test/week for ten weeks and the second with Test 500mg and Deca 300mg/week for twelve weeks. i had good weight gain, but lost a great deal of it during PCT, which got me to thinking that a lot of it was water. I formulated a hypothesis which I posted in the Steroid forum, but didnt get a whole lot of discourse on it, which was disappointing. I reprint it here:
<< I have been doing a lot of thinking and research as of late about AS cycles and would like to share some of my thoughts with y'all.
Specifically, knowing what I do about biochemistry and physiology, I do believe there might be a big difference in the role of test in test only cycles and stacking with other anabolics.
Consider this: When administering exogenous testosterone to the human body, it will suppress the body's own production of test, usually to the point of partial or complete HPTA shutdown. When this occurs, the dosage of test which is necessary is the dose which will replace the body's own natural test PLUS the dose which will be required for the desired anabolic effect. For the sake of simplicity, let's say 200mg./week will cause a complete shutdown. Therefore, more than that will be required for a test only cycle, say 500-750 total.
Now consider if the user wishes to utilize different compunds such as deca, EQ, Fina, or any other. Naturally, these compounds will cause a HPTA shutdown so users who try a "tren only" or a "Deca only" cycle are greeted with the dreaded limp noodle syndrome. Wiser users recommend adding test to cycles like this to prevent sexual side effects. But from what I have read, advice usually runs that doses of test are recommended which are as great as the test only cycle would be on its own. Example: When running a Tren cycle at 50mg. ED, the usual advice is to run test at at least 400 mg./wk. Is this good advice?
As we all know, test is a great mass builder, but gives a lot of water retention and can be damaging to the libido by itself in sufficiently large dosages. I have found that at the end of my last two cycles (test cyp at 400/week and then test cyp at 500/week and Deca at 300/week), a week or two after PCT I lost a great deal of water weight, which the uninformed will mistake as muscle gain. Another problem is estrogen conversion of the test, which must be combatted with anti-estrogens (Nolva, Arimidex, Letro, etc). The more the test, the more anti-e's are needed.
Now what I am thinking is if the user wishes to cycle with compounds which will cause a shutdown, but wishes to avoid the water and bloat of test, why do we not just use a dosage which will REPLACE the body's own endogenous test (which we will assume is shut down 100% by the other compounds) to avoid unpleasant scenes with Mr. Happy? After all, if you are shut down, you are shut down but you cant be shut down more than 100% so why use a massive dose of test if you are relying on other anabolics for your gains? Of course, those who wish the maximal mass would want to use a bunch of test and other compounds - screw the water! But for those who wish to gain Lean body mass and are content to put on less weight during a cycle but keep more of it after PCT, doesn't it seem logical just to replace the test while using other AS?
I am going to put this hypothesis to the test (pun unintended) for my next cycle, which will use test cyp at only 200mg./week, Tren at 50mg/day, and an oral such as Superdrol or anavar. Probably six to eight weeks. I will use anti-e's but at very low dosages and. of course, PCT as usual with HCG throughout the cycle to keep the boys plump and happy.
I am posting this to stimulate a discussion - please dont flame and say "that just wont work" without some logic and rationale of your own.
What do you all think? >>
Since I posted this, I am on the second week of a cycle which consists of test cyp at only 200mg/week, Tren at 75 mg EOD, and some M1T for the first two weeks (had some I wanted to finish up). The last six weeks will use Superdrol as my oral. I am using Liquidex at .5mg EOD and Cabergoline at .5mg twice/week for prolactin reduction. HCG at 250iu twice /week for testicular shrinkage. So far, I feel good! No bloating, and the test effects on my libido are in full swing (pun intended). I started at a weight of 178 lbs and am now at 180. So far, no rapid heartbeat at night like when I was using high test, and BP is normal (128/82). I am NOT pounding down a lot of food, as LBM is my goal. I have noticed no sides from the Tren so far. Of course, I am still doing 1.5 iu of Jintropin/day taking sat. and Sunday off.
I'll keep you posted!!
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