Who started a cycle with over 20% BF ???

[BuildaBeast]

After reading Ajax's post up top I was wondering how many people have taken the approach to increase LBM first then lose some body fat? Everyone on the majority board says that one should be 15% or under. I understand that the more muscle you have the more fat you burn. So who and what have you taken to increase LBM and also had some fat loss? As I get older it seems the fat doesn't drop like it use too.

[FeldMarshellPotter]

I never cycled at all...sorry man

[IBdmfkr]

You need to focus on your diet, If you caloric intake is less than what you burn each day, then only one thing will happen. You will LOSE weight. There is your problem.

[MuckDog]

You need to focus on your diet, If you caloric intake is less than what you burn each day, then only one thing will happen. You will LOSE weight. There is your problem.

this cant be said any better

[spywizard]

If you can't or won't control your eating habits, you will not be successful on steroids..

[MuckDog]

but to answer your question - i have cycled with a BF over 20%....granted it was anavar but i worked very hard, ate properly and lost 30 lbs in 2 months. the main thing of importance to me beside the weight loss was my strength gains. my BF right now is still not under 15% and im going to do a test e cycle in a few weeks.

[MuckDog]

oh - i better comment on the above statement i made before i get shredded - the anavar itself was not responsible for my weight loss - the eating properly was.

[spywizard]

oh - i better comment on the above statement i made before i get shredded - the anavar itself was not responsible for my weight loss - the eating properly was.

we have a winner..

good job man.. and congrats on the weight loss.. good luck on the coming test cycle..

[MuckDog]

lol on the pic...and thanks spy as your posts were some of many that were beneficial in helping me.

[TADOLFI]

Buildabeast...
I'm assuming you're over 30 since this is posted here.
I'm 43 and I've had a hard time with getting my bodyfat down and I have to say - as you get older you develop some really crappy eating habits if you're not paying attention. Shoving a little of this or that in your mouth, stopping at fast food joints cause it's "only one burger" etc. etc.

My bad habit was always being the clean up person after my kids ate - couldn't let that stuff go to waste!

Anyway, the point is - You've got to examine everything you're putting in your mouth. And if you want to be more lean - it won't be in a pill or a needle.

Diet and Cardio are the keys - and for me, just cutting out sugar helped me get my bodyfat down and loose some of the gut.
Bike, run, jog, row, jump rope - anything that gets the heart pumpin - you'll feel and see the difference within two weeks if you're watching what goes in your mouth.

And it's hella hard when you're older and set in your ways.

You can start a cycle - but don't expect the drugs to do much unless you are willing to put in some time & effort.

Good Luck!

[BuildaBeast]

Thanks for the replies guys but I will also agree that it's diet and cardio that makes the differernce. I'm NOT looking for an easy way out, I have my workout and diet in check now but I do notice that it takes alot longer to lose the BF thna when I was younger. I was making a statement how Ajax had higher BF% and cycled and built muscle and lost BF and he wasn't at the ideal BF% that everyone says you have to be at.

When I was younger way way younger I started at 256lbs and it took 2 years to learn how to control my eating habbits to get super lean at 169lbs then I built my way up from there. I got up to 200lbs all natty until my mid-late twenties and I through it all away. Last couple of years I have been trying to get back into the grove.

[Cylon]

I am 42 and have done a cycle of limited anavar and test. I seen a dramatic gain of strength and about 15 pounds of muscle that seem to replace the fat. I would agree that the more muscle you have the more fat you will burn should you keep your caloric intake at bay.

[BuildaBeast]

I am 42 and have done a cycle of limited anavar and test. I seen a dramatic gain of strength and about 15 pounds of muscle that seem to replace the fat. I would agree that the more muscle you have the more fat you will burn should you keep your caloric intake at bay.

There is a person who could see what my post was about. That is an example of what I'm looking for. I do appreciate everyones feedback though. Thank You

[worcesterguy]

After reading Ajax's post up top I was wondering how many people have taken the approach to increase LBM first then lose some body fat? Everyone on the majority board says that one should be 15% or under. I understand that the more muscle you have the more fat you burn. So who and what have you taken to increase LBM and also had some fat loss? As I get older it seems the fat doesn't drop like it use too.

I did a cycle about 6 months ago, 6 weeks of M4ohn. I'm 47 and BF% is over 20.

Of course we all know that training and diet is key, but what I found was that it was easier to maintain a strict diet and training with some help. I felt great when I was on. Dropped some pounds, lost some bodyfat, gained some strength and some vascularity. What I also liked about it was I got into the groove of doing regular cardio and that with diet, weights, training, and rest makes ya feel good. Problems with higher % bodyfat and age. with higher bf, have to watch estrogen. And with age, I noticed my pct was not aggressive enough or long enough. Takes more than a couple of weeks for things to get back to normal, even with a (what many consider) milder substance like MOHN.

I am thinking of doing another cycle. Mid November-end of December. So while many people put on weight, I plan on dropping. Of course they'll be no drinking and while being on, you just tend to pay attention to diet better. So maybe I'll have some swedish meatballs but I'll pass on all the sweets at those holiday parties.

I'll be upping the dose and duration or nolva, rebound, and dhea this time around for PCT. Will be throwing in more antioxidants and other cortisol controlling agents to help get back to normal quicker.

[Remington]

BUMP!
Just cause this is EXACTLY what I am going thru.
Right now Im looking into getting an accurate BF test.
Gonna make some more calls tomorrow.
Anybody wanna add sum more to this thread?

[kaorialfred]

The only thing missing here is the fact that you are over 30 there is a a whole lot of hormone issues happening at this age to a lot of men. I would say that the first thing to do is to get your blood work done and get with a dietican, endocrinologist, urologist and make sure all your systems are functioning okay. I know many assume that diet and training is the way to go FIRST. Yet I know plenty that they had the diet and the training down. Yet they didn't get any thing because of thyroid disorders, no test production at all or metabolic disorders. Men always assume that if their walking and talking its cool there okay. Just go hit the gym and it will happen. If it dosen't do AS and it will happen. Never ever bothering to get a freakin physical and full work up to see if their is something wrong internally.
But yes when I train clients and I really don't train men because most want to do AS, they will get the diet down and workouts right just so they can do the AS. Greeedy and Neeedy I guess. Guys we are a very proud group, and we don't want to hear eat and train,when we know there is short cut or edge. Yet we never seek to find out if our foundation is stable before we start building that monster of a house.

[Remington]

Well put.
I started out at 291 of all fat. Im now 275 with some decent muscle. Im 36 and have been lifting for many years. Just fell out of shape as of late. I figure when I get down to 260--im gonna start a Test Cyp only cycle.
Any other suggestions on this??
Great thread by the way!

[spywizard]

Well put.
I started out at 291 of all fat. Im now 275 with some decent muscle. Im 36 and have been lifting for many years. Just fell out of shape as of late. I figure when I get down to 260--im gonna start a Test Cyp only cycle.
Any other suggestions on this??
Great thread by the way!

that's a great approach, congrats on the weight loss, and the upcoming cycle..

[Darren1968]

i am working my socks off in the gym & i have a bodyfat of 22%.my diet is good as well.
I was looking at doing a cycle of Test Enth & anavar in the future, I too have heard you should be below 15% body fat before a cycle.
I am coming up to 38years young & will go to the Doc to see if he will check my blood out to make sure everything is fine.

[Remington]

15% seems almost unobtainable at times.

[Remington]

Yep..

[bisntris]

40 20% BF 6"5"" 260.....Started test cyp 250 2/wk 6th week
bf 19 % weight 281, bloated as hell but very motivated...
I started before losing all bf for purely motivaTIONAL REASONS...I WOULD TRY A ROUTINE AND THEN FADE...GET BACK INTO ANOTHER AND FADE AGAIN...!
This time, however, my motivation is through the roof...strength is up muscle growing and i am eating so much i could puke...
the eating alone will make ther most difference imo for two BIG reasons:
1. bulk = muscle
2. By the time my cycle is over i will be so ready to cut back on intake that it won't seem like a diet but instead it will feel like a nice break!!!
Amazing how we can BS our own minds but anyway I am happy that i put the cart before the horse!

[Remington]

Amazing how we can BS our own minds

Again..Yep.
Your previous cycle sounds like my life story.
I GOTTA re-think my ideals.
Time for me to get more serious.

[Remington]

Bumper car.

[Darren1968]

i might go for the Clen/T3 cycle to shed some body fat.....i have the gear in now.

[RMBros]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the loss of Test in us over 30s (turned 38 today) allow the estrogen in our systems to start to deposit more belly and hip fat than we have ever had before?

I'm not sure that it will be a problem for everyone, just because some folks have more or less test and more or less estrogen, but for a lot of us it gets harder and harder to lose that kind of weight.

Think about all those old guys who you have to look at twice to be sure they're not women - they didn't get that way on purpose.

Anyway, at 38, I'm about to start my first cycle - test enth and EQ for 12 weeks, tons of PCT etc. I'm probably close to 20% bf, according to our scales, which use some cheap capacitance or inductance bf measurement tool. God, I don't feel that fat, but that's what they say.

As I progress, I'll check back in here to let everyone know how it's going.

[BOOST]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the loss of Test in us over 30s (turned 38 today) allow the estrogen in our systems to start to deposit more belly and hip fat than we have ever had before?

I'm not sure that it will be a problem for everyone, just because some folks have more or less test and more or less estrogen, but for a lot of us it gets harder and harder to lose that kind of weight.

Think about all those old guys who you have to look at twice to be sure they're not women - they didn't get that way on purpose.

Anyway, at 38, I'm about to start my first cycle - test enth and EQ for 12 weeks, tons of PCT etc. I'm probably close to 20% bf, according to our scales, which use some cheap capacitance or inductance bf measurement tool. God, I don't feel that fat, but that's what they say.

As I progress, I'll check back in here to let everyone know how it's going.

Keep us posted, I am starting my first Monday. 1cc per week of Test Sus and week 4 I am stacking Winny pills 1 per day 50mg. I cannot wait

Over 30 everything in your body changes, the biggest problem I see is Test levels drop off and metabolism slows down. Loosing Test sucks, no energy, a decline in strength and Muscle mass

[Remington]

Id like to know if anybody else would like to add something else to this thread as it pertains to me, and I think lots of others.

[Remington]

bump---anybody wanna add some more to this topic?
Thanks

[Remington]

bump.
Cause its STILL agreat thread.

[spywizard]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but won't the loss of Test in us over 30s (turned 38 today) allow the estrogen in our systems to start to deposit more belly and hip fat than we have ever had before?

I'm not sure that it will be a problem for everyone, just because some folks have more or less test and more or less estrogen, but for a lot of us it gets harder and harder to lose that kind of weight.

Think about all those old guys who you have to look at twice to be sure they're not women - they didn't get that way on purpose.

Anyway, at 38, I'm about to start my first cycle - test enth and EQ for 12 weeks, tons of PCT etc. I'm probably close to 20% bf, according to our scales, which use some cheap capacitance or inductance bf measurement tool. God, I don't feel that fat, but that's what they say.

As I progress, I'll check back in here to let everyone know how it's going.

cortisol plays a big part in the collection of fat in the middle as well..

[zaggahamma]

cortisol plays a big part in the collection of fat in the middle as well..

that reminds me(i forgot to ask my sorry a$$ endo) yesterday....she had said b4 that i was in range for cortisol....i was going to ask if it makes a difference if your in range but high normal....i believe i have another thread to this nature but since you mentioned it here...could you elaborate...maybe even to the note -can cortisol levels be changed for the better; easily, naturally, drugs...has it been observed to be low in those with low abdominal fat?

[poshjoss]

Somebody said on one of the other forums on thi site that fat cell also carry the aromatase enzyme,(have I got that right), so the idea is that if you have high body fat and use an aromatizable steroid then your eostrogen sides will be that much worse.
Apparently the French Foreign Legion is great for losing body fat (possibly sanity), Don't know what their maximum recruitment age is. Or you could try doing the Paris-Dakar rally on a mountain bike.

[Remington]

Still here....still fat.
ArghhhhH! ! ! ! !! !

[Remington]

happy birthday---and keep us informed

[nextphase]

I an 37 years old. I was 307 pounds just 6 months ago. I have been dieting and doing cardio. Last week I weighed 272 when I started a cycle of winny. I have already lost another 10 pounds and feeling stronger.

Some people on this board told me I shouldn't cycle until I lost more fat. So I obviosly did not listen. But here is my take on it, for me it is as much phycological as it is AAS. You see knowing that I am on gear, I have improved my diet, increased my cardio and intensified my workouts. Then so long as the gear is real, I should see some nice results in the next six weeks.

The only thing I would have changed would have been the type of Gear I decided to go with for my first time. After this six week cycle, I will do a little more research, and I hope to be in great shape by november.

[2bshredded]

I will be starting my 12 week Test/Eq in a week or two, I have been using some Deca for bad joints and it has helped them termendously. I noticed though that I'm adding "bloat" not in the face but on the mid-section, I'm also taking 200 mg. of DHEA. I've been on the Deca now about 10 days, so it will be a Deca boost before my cycle begins here shortly. Seems as the Deca is working or it just a mind fucc, that's ok...I'm hitting it hard in my gym.

Oh yea the stats:
46 years, 6'3", 210 lbs, ~20% I'm guessing...it's only in my mid-section
1st cycle, I know I shouldn't be doing the Deca but it has saved my joints and got me back deadlifting and helping me push myself.

My goal is to stack on 25/30 lbs and loose the midsection, get my deadlift max to 600lbs. Any suggestions will be quite welcome.

[dneversatisfied]

I am 31 and started a real diet & excercise program just this past 6-7 months or so and i did a cycle of deca and test 1cc a week about a month after working out. I did 15 mins cardio warm up then a specific weight program hitting different stuff each day. shoulders, back-bi, chest-tri, legs then did more cardio after the weights. I took de-aromatese and some stacker 2 with ephedra also. so i was at the gym 4 days a week.. sometimes did cardio on the 5th day too. and when i decided to eat better was when fat started falling off of me! i cut out sugar, bread, caffein and ate only eggs bacon, chicken beef and cheese for 2 months. I lost 40 pounds of fat and 20 pounds on the scale in a month or so. Don't know if I can help anyone out but I did this hard core and have maintained the same weight and put on more muscle even after accepting breads, sugar etc back into my system. of course i don't eat like a pig like i used to after getting used to that diet i was on which helps but i do go up and down. it is rough being older. but i will never give up. i will look great the rest of my life no matter how much it hurts! no pain no gain!! you just gotta do it. ask for help if need be. get a workout and diet partner. being here is great support. i know cuz i just joined and am already off and running posting and reading while i'm at work.. (shh.. don't tell!!)

[Logan13]

After reading Ajax's post up top I was wondering how many people have taken the approach to increase LBM first then lose some body fat? Everyone on the majority board says that one should be 15% or under. I understand that the more muscle you have the more fat you burn. So who and what have you taken to increase LBM and also had some fat loss? As I get older it seems the fat doesn't drop like it use too.

Diet needs to be in order first. Certainly people over 20% cycle, just look at Saluu............

[RMBros]

5 weeks in at this point - libido boost kicked in at 3 weeks, very nice.

Started losing bodyfat about that time too, but nothing huge.

My last couple of workouts have been fantastic and I'm really looking forward to the next week to see if they're going to continue.

My diet has been pretty clean (a few bad days), but the EQ has really upped the amount I'm eating. Not that I'm hungry more often, just that I eat more when I do eat.

I've had some trouble with cramping and calf/shin pumps so bad that I couldn't continue running after 15 min, but those are mostly fixed now.